Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez

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#32
Booooooo!

This is bull****! I thought the Maloofs were not our owners any more! Best of luck to Tyreke, hope he goes on to fulfill his potential as for the front office...go **** yourselves!

We are obviously in major tanking mode! Another average year coming right up! Hope we strike it big and get the #1 pick!
 
#34
Booooooo!

This is bull****! I thought the Maloofs were not our owners any more! Best of luck to Tyreke, hope he goes on to fulfill his potential as for the front office...go **** yourselves!

We are obviously in major tanking mode! Another average year coming right up! Hope we strike it big and get the #1 pick!
100% Agreed on everything said.
 
#35
To anyone that defends this move, do you honestly think if we matched the deal that a combo like Vasquez and Lopez would be the best pieces we could acquire at some point in the next year or two.
 
#36
It's going to be fun to watch you and the rest of the anti-Reke crowd trying to justifying why we still suck with a pure pg come mid season.
It's not being anti-reke. He's right...were are trading a iso player for a floor general. Its ignorant to not see a benefit in that. We also lost some defense at the point guard spot but we gained it at the big man spot.
 
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#37
It's not being anti-reke. He's right...were are trading a iso player for a floor general. Its ignorant to not see a benefit in that. We also lost some defense at the point guard spot but we gained it at the big man spot.
Nah not at PG Thomas is a terrible defender @SG probs tho
 
#38
It's not being anti-reke. He's right...were are trading a iso player for a floor general. Its ignorant to not see a benefit in that. We also lost some defense at the point guard spot but we gained it at the big man spot.
It's ignorant to not consider Evans iso play came under Westfail who didn't know how to coach. If he was in a real system was a PG we don't know how he could have fared............. I don't understand how people can't see this.

Btw, can't wait to read padrino's reaction.. :D
 
#39
:E

Not a horrible deal, I guess, but I'm not convinced yet that it's going to happen. I would feel better about it if the Hornets threw in Darius Miller as well. He's an SF, good three point shooter, and played with Cousins and Patterson at Kentucky.
 
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#40
I'm not going to judge this move right now. I hope PDA knows what he's doing. It feels bad to lose Evans, even if I like Vasquez and Lopez. I don't know, in 3 years from now this could be a great trade, or we could look like idiots. Right now I think option B is the most likely.

I see some Denver here. Trading one of your best player for 2 very good role players Who can get better. Melo for Gallinari and Chandler for example...
 
#41
It's not being anti-reke. He's right...were are trading a iso player for a floor general. Its ignorant to not see a benefit in that. We also lost some defense at the point guard spot but we gained it at the big man spot.
Because a floor general leads to wins while an Iso guy doesn't, right? So why didn't NO win last year. And robin Lopez is a good defender but how much is he going to play. You can't always have him on the floor with cuz and we actually need guys like Patterson now for offense since we just traded our second most reliable scorer.
 
#42
To anyone that defends this move, do you honestly think if we matched the deal that a combo like Vasquez and Lopez would be the best pieces we could acquire at some point in the next year or two.
I think what this move does is clarify that Cousins is "the guy", and that they hope McLemore is gonna become his sidekick. Evans is such a "unique" talent, that you do not build around him unless you are 100% sure he is "the guy" because it makes roster building such a puzzle. Very similar but to much less extent the Allen Iversion situation.
 
#44
Has anyone besides our own local media confirmed that this is the direction we are heading? I want to be reluctant to assume this is correct until I see others confirming this, which I haven't seen just yet.
 
#45
I think what this move does is clarify that Cousins is "the guy", and that they hope McLemore is gonna become his sidekick. Evans is such a "unique" talent, that you do not build around him unless you are 100% sure he is "the guy" because it makes roster building such a puzzle. Very similar but to much less extent the Allen Iversion situation.
You need more than one "guy" and smart teams figure out how to build around good, unique young talent. They don't trade it got rotation guys.
 
#48
I have a question for all of you supporting this decision... How many contending teams this year that had a superstar only had one superstar? None. Miami has three, San Antonio has (arguably) two. Memphis doesn't have any superstars so they built a good team to that suits their best players, same with Indiania (Paul george is a second-tier star imo.). So, from the top four teams, none. So if Cousins does turn into a superstar, we need to hope either McLemore becomes a star or we trade for another superstar (doubt it will happen)...

I am not liking a single bit of this move...
 
#49
All im saying is Vasquez with offensive weapons around him has a chance to lead the league in assists. Almost averaged 10 last season with a gimpy Eric Gordon and a bunch of average/mediocre players. He also plays with a fire/chip on his shoulder. I saw him surgically pick apart the Lakers last season.
 

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#50
This is one of the worst things I've read in awhile. Absolute sell-out move that makes no sense. Passing on Igoudala so we could then pass on Evans for spare parts? Not even the Salmons/Jimmer trade was this bad. I'd rather we traded for Eric Gordon than this nonsense. He has a brutally awful contract and injury problems, but more talent than both of these guys put together.
 
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#51
If the Kings matched, we would have basically had the same team as last year, with a new coach and B-Mac. Plus, it would have hurt our cap for years to come, especially if we have to give Cousins near the max. We've had a few years of Cousins/Evans and look where it took us. Yes, having a bad coach and system definitely hurt our growth, but eventually you just have to move on. I would rather keep someone like Evans and surround him with the proper teammates and system, but do you really want to invest that much money into a guy who hasn't proved to be worth it?
 
#52
I have a question for all of you supporting this decision... How many contending teams this year that had a superstar only had one superstar? None. Miami has three, San Antonio has (arguably) two. Memphis doesn't have any superstars so they built a good team to that suits their best players, same with Indiania (Paul george is a second-tier star imo.). So, from the top four teams, none. So if Cousins does turn into a superstar, we need to hope either McLemore becomes a star or we trade for another superstar (doubt it will happen)...

I am not liking a single bit of this move...
So we're going to commit about 25M of our cap space, for two players that "might" turn into All-Stars? Take away Evans ROY and what has he done to deserve 11M a year?
 

hrdboild

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#53
If the Kings matched, we would have basically had the same team as last year, with a new coach and B-Mac. Plus, it would have hurt our cap for years to come, especially if we have to give Cousins near the max. We've had a few years of Cousins/Evans and look where it took us. Yes, having a bad coach and system definitely hurt our growth, but eventually you just have to move on. I would rather keep someone like Evans and surround him with the proper teammates and system, but do you really want to invest that much money into a guy who hasn't proved to be worth it?
We're talking about 11 million dollars out of a 59 million dollar salary cap. Hardly crippling and easily what he's worth.
 
#54
I am so mad, what the hell???!? What are they thinking......................... What kind of a vision is "give up a potential all star for a worse PG and average, at best, big men"! Makes no sense.

Iggy then Reke.....
I wanted Reke to stay, but dont become the Warrior fan who was booing Lacob after they traded Ellis. You gotta give these guys time to build the team they want. They might have just made the assessment that Evans didnt have a defined enough role in the offense they are trying to design. While I dont necessarily agree, I'm willing to give them a chance before turning on them. Lets see where this goes, after all they did inherit a 28 win team, changes were necessary.
 
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#55
I have a question for all of you supporting this decision... How many contending teams this year that had a superstar only had one superstar? None. Miami has three, San Antonio has (arguably) two. Memphis doesn't have any superstars so they built a good team to that suits their best players, same with Indiania (Paul george is a second-tier star imo.). So, from the top four teams, none. So if Cousins does turn into a superstar, we need to hope either McLemore becomes a star or we trade for another superstar (doubt it will happen)...

I am not liking a single bit of this move...
Warriors
Grizzlies
Pacers
Knicks
Bulls
Nets
Denver

All highly successful programs building without multiple superstars. Depending on what we snag at SF, we're slowly but surely putting Cousins in a great position to succeed. And this is all assuming Tyreke even approaches star status in the first place

It tickles me pink that people expect to follow the SA or Miami model for team success. It's rather simple to be a successful team with 1 star.
 
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#57
All im saying is Vasquez with offensive weapons around him has a chance to lead the league in assists. Almost averaged 10 last season with a gimpy Eric Gordon and a bunch of average/mediocre players. He also plays with a fire/chip on his shoulder. I saw him surgically pick apart the Lakers last season.
There was a South American olympic qualifier tournament before London 2012 that Vasquez dominated as well.
 
#58
I have a question for all of you supporting this decision... How many contending teams this year that had a superstar only had one superstar? None. Miami has three, San Antonio has (arguably) two. Memphis doesn't have any superstars so they built a good team to that suits their best players, same with Indiania (Paul george is a second-tier star imo.). So, from the top four teams, none. So if Cousins does turn into a superstar, we need to hope either McLemore becomes a star or we trade for another superstar (doubt it will happen)...

I am not liking a single bit of this move...
We need to become a playoff team first, and that starts with turning Cousins into an All-Star, those chances increase if we pair him with a true pg. We can't look at Miami/San Antonio/Thunder and say we want to be there in 1 or 2 seasons. We have to look at teams like the Warriors, Rockets, T-Wolves(pre-injuries to entire roster). Thats the goal, to get there. Once you get there, you take the steps to go to the next level.
 
#59
Because a floor general leads to wins while an Iso guy doesn't, right? So why didn't NO win last year. And robin Lopez is a good defender but how much is he going to play. You can't always have him on the floor with cuz and we actually need guys like Patterson now for offense since we just traded our second most reliable scorer.
Don't make me show why IT was our 2nd best scorer last season again...

I don't think the forum could take it
 

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#60
I have a question for all of you supporting this decision... How many contending teams this year that had a superstar only had one superstar? None. Miami has three, San Antonio has (arguably) two. Memphis doesn't have any superstars so they built a good team to that suits their best players, same with Indiania (Paul george is a second-tier star imo.). So, from the top four teams, none. So if Cousins does turn into a superstar, we need to hope either McLemore becomes a star or we trade for another superstar (doubt it will happen)...

I am not liking a single bit of this move...
And how many teams banked on one of those players developing into that in year 5 of his career? It could work sure. Reke could develop into an NBA All-Star in New Orleans but there is no guarantee that would happen here and any evidence that can be compiled from his career with this team so far says it's probably unlikely at this point.
 
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