Tyreke Evans offered Qualifying Offer making him a Restricted Free Agent
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I agree to keep Evans as long as it makes sense, salary-wise, and have a plan to insert other players that can help Cousins and Evans make this a winning team.
Pete has the answer to your 'how?'. I don't know. He was convincing enough to Vivek to have the plan in order to get the job. I'm sure he didn't get the job by saying. "Lets just let Tyreke walk and I don't know what we will do after." To get the job, Vivek gave him the Kings situation and Pete had the most convincing way to make this losing team a winning team.
Pete has the answer to your 'how?'. I don't know. He was convincing enough to Vivek to have the plan in order to get the job. I'm sure he didn't get the job by saying. "Lets just let Tyreke walk and I don't know what we will do after." To get the job, Vivek gave him the Kings situation and Pete had the most convincing way to make this losing team a winning team.
It is true that it is much easier to look at things from the outside, I'm sure we all have thought of ourselves as better coaches and GMs in the business from time to time. They definitely have more knowledge and experience than we do. However there is one downside that they have that we don't and that is sometimes being too close to the situation. There are a lot of biases and politics to work through, especially in the toxic culture that we have had recently. Trying to please certain players that are more outspoken than others. When it comes to this I just feel that the last few coaches we have had have been in over their heads in these areas and that certainly doesn't help player development.
You're right that we won't know until Tyreke is back in a system catered more to him. I just hope that system is here.
You're right that we won't know until Tyreke is back in a system catered more to him. I just hope that system is here.
Not blaming the coach who knows 10000x more about the players than I do though, am I? *wink wink* 
Not blaming the coach who knows 10000x more about the players than I do though, am I? *wink wink*
The thing is, you can say that 'til the cows come home, but it doesn't make it true. Like in any profession, some coaches are inept. It's pretty obvious Smart had no clue what he was doing or how to use his players. I'd say it's actually unlikely that he knew more about how to utilise Tyreke's talent than quite a few posters on this very forum (and no, I'm not saying they'd be successful coaches - but it doesn't mean Smart knows more about a player simply because he coached him). By your logic, Smart was right to cut Curry's minutes in favour of Acie Law. Give me a break.
Not blaming the coach who knows 10000x more about the players than I do though, am I? *wink wink*
as for stephen curry? well, i don't think i need to bother detailing his trajectory post-keith smart. again, a bad coach is a bad coach, and they're really not that hard to recognize. i'm sorta amazed that you would so consistently absolve him of blame, as if there wasn't very tangible, very obvious evidence of just how poorly he has performed as a head coach across two separate stints...
is this really the last vestige for 'reke's most overbearing critics, to throw their weight behind keith effing smart? it's not a good look, for the record. tyreke has improved various aspects of his game considerably since coming into the league. keith smart, on the other hand, has not improved an ounce as a coach. he made the same mistakes in sacramento that he made in golden state...
Another level of the ignorance is of course what it costs for non-rookie contract SGs. Following is a list of all the major non-rookie contract SGs in the league, with either their current contract, or their contract last year if they are a FA, sorted by PER.
PER Name Team Salary
24.04 Wade MIA $18,536,000
23.10 Bryant LAL $30,453,000
23.00 Harden HOU $13,669,000
19.05 Ginobili SAN $14,107,492
18.16 Tyreke Evans ???
17.67 JRSmith NYK $2,806,452
16.32 Thornton SAC $8,165,000
16.30 MEllis MIL $11,000,000
16.09 Martin OKC $12,939,675
15.98 LWilliams ATL $5,225,000
15.43 EGordon NOH $14,283,844
15.27 Igoudala DEN $15,904,000 (opting out though)
14.89 Dudley PHX $4,250,000
14.81 DeRozan TOR $9,500,000
14.75 Redick MIL $6,000,000
14.14 JJohnson BKN $21,467,000
14.10 Matthews POR $6,875,480
13.26 Allen MEM $3,000,000
13.18 Young PHL $6,000,000
13.02 Afflalo ORL $7,562,500
13.00 Stuckey DET $8,500,000
12.83 Sefalosha OKC $3,900,000
12.81 Terry BOS $5,225,000
12.74 Gordon CHA $13,200,000
12.60 Richardson PHL $6,204,250
11.85 Stephenson IND $981,000
11.71 Lee BOS $5,225,000
10.65 Hamilton CHI $5,000,000
I will draw your attention to the $$ figure up on his end of the scale. I would also note how odd it is that a guy with no position who has not improved should be so high up on the scale, but that would bounce off I'm sure. In any case in the entire league there is exactly one SG with a PER of 15+ earning less than $8mil (middling combo guard Lou Williams). There are exactly two earning less than $10mil (the other none other than our own Marcus Thornton). Reke and Smith are both free agents, and will get paid here. And yet some foolish foolish types wouldn't pay Reke more than $7mil. All that is left to see is if the fools include the new front office or not.
PER Name Team Salary
24.04 Wade MIA $18,536,000
23.10 Bryant LAL $30,453,000
23.00 Harden HOU $13,669,000
19.05 Ginobili SAN $14,107,492
18.16 Tyreke Evans ???
17.67 JRSmith NYK $2,806,452
16.32 Thornton SAC $8,165,000
16.30 MEllis MIL $11,000,000
16.09 Martin OKC $12,939,675
15.98 LWilliams ATL $5,225,000
15.43 EGordon NOH $14,283,844
15.27 Igoudala DEN $15,904,000 (opting out though)
14.89 Dudley PHX $4,250,000
14.81 DeRozan TOR $9,500,000
14.75 Redick MIL $6,000,000
14.14 JJohnson BKN $21,467,000
14.10 Matthews POR $6,875,480
13.26 Allen MEM $3,000,000
13.18 Young PHL $6,000,000
13.02 Afflalo ORL $7,562,500
13.00 Stuckey DET $8,500,000
12.83 Sefalosha OKC $3,900,000
12.81 Terry BOS $5,225,000
12.74 Gordon CHA $13,200,000
12.60 Richardson PHL $6,204,250
11.85 Stephenson IND $981,000
11.71 Lee BOS $5,225,000
10.65 Hamilton CHI $5,000,000
I will draw your attention to the $$ figure up on his end of the scale. I would also note how odd it is that a guy with no position who has not improved should be so high up on the scale, but that would bounce off I'm sure. In any case in the entire league there is exactly one SG with a PER of 15+ earning less than $8mil (middling combo guard Lou Williams). There are exactly two earning less than $10mil (the other none other than our own Marcus Thornton). Reke and Smith are both free agents, and will get paid here. And yet some foolish foolish types wouldn't pay Reke more than $7mil. All that is left to see is if the fools include the new front office or not.
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but tyreke wouldn't be as efficient with more minutes!! he'd shoot errant mid-range jumpers!! his dribble-drive would fall apart!! he'd pass the ball to the other team ON PURPOSE!! he'd start tripping over his shoelaces and forget his own name in the process!! he'd punch a baby!! he'd become BFFs with kim jong-un... oh, this is just ridiculous. i can't believe the lengths people will go to at kf.com in order to intentionally miss what's right in front of them...
That's what the Kings think he is worth and I'm saying I don't blame them for not paying him whatever he or another team wants. That must be Pete's plan and has another choice for his roster spot if Evans wants more money. It must be a good plan if he got the GM job from an owner who isn't a stupid man and just spent a fortune on owning a team.
I know that Evans has good stats. It's been put in my face since his 20/5/5 rookie year. However, the team doesn't win and Evans and Cousins don't seem (or as reported from within the organization) to like playing together. That' my favorite stat - wins. The four players above Evans win. Many under him have GMs trying to get rid of those contracts.
I know that Evans has good stats. It's been put in my face since his 20/5/5 rookie year. However, the team doesn't win and Evans and Cousins don't seem (or as reported from within the organization) to like playing together. That' my favorite stat - wins. The four players above Evans win. Many under him have GMs trying to get rid of those contracts.
Why?
Vivek and Pete didn't get in these spots because they didn't know how to plan and run organizations. They must have a plan without Evans if he wants big money.
Pete was a part of an organization who had a star player who wouldn't sign an extension with the team. I think they had a decent plan to move on from that situation. The Nuggets did fine after Melo.
Vivek and Pete didn't get in these spots because they didn't know how to plan and run organizations. They must have a plan without Evans if he wants big money.
Pete was a part of an organization who had a star player who wouldn't sign an extension with the team. I think they had a decent plan to move on from that situation. The Nuggets did fine after Melo.
A lot of good young players didn't win early in their careers and few of them played in as dysfunctional situations as we've had. Honestly, in under 100 posts you've managed to throw a lot of useless nonsense out there that has consistently been disproved time and again, either through Reke's actual development or similar situations in the league.
Its always great to get new blood and dissenting opinions on the board but its nice when those people actually do a little homework before filling the board with yet more garbage about how crappy Reke is and how anyone in a leadership position in the nba must be a genius and never makes poor moves.
Its always great to get new blood and dissenting opinions on the board but its nice when those people actually do a little homework before filling the board with yet more garbage about how crappy Reke is and how anyone in a leadership position in the nba must be a genius and never makes poor moves.
That's the thing, I think it can work with a big two of Cousins and Tyreke, especially with Cousins' mid-range shooting ability. It's just that they have to both buy into this system. Then quality role players have to be acquired that fit the system and accept their roles. I don't think we have many of those players right now.
I honestly don't think IT is a much better point guard than Tyreke, the difference isn't great, but that isn't the point. Even if IT was much better I want my better player to have the ball in his hands more. Some of the key role players were Beno, Nocioni, Casspi, and Hawes. Not I'm saying these guys were great, they were not, but they fit and they accepted their roles. What the team needed to do was not break the whole system, it was to improve these players. Same type of players, same roles, but better talent.
I honestly don't think IT is a much better point guard than Tyreke, the difference isn't great, but that isn't the point. Even if IT was much better I want my better player to have the ball in his hands more. Some of the key role players were Beno, Nocioni, Casspi, and Hawes. Not I'm saying these guys were great, they were not, but they fit and they accepted their roles. What the team needed to do was not break the whole system, it was to improve these players. Same type of players, same roles, but better talent.
Would've made a great argument to get rid of Mitch Richmond back in the day. Probably one of Geoff's specials when he went to Washington to get Webber too. Also why the Wolves need to dump Love, the Cavs need to drop Irving, the Wizards have to give up on the Wall experiment etc. Its very sound logic. You're not winning, so you give up your best players. I like it.
eh, not buying it. vivek ranadive has zero experience as a majority owner of a professional basketball franchise. pete d'allesandro has zero experience as a general manager of a professional basketball franchise. each has lesser experiences in lesser positions that will inform them as they move forward, but the pressure of being "THE guy" is quite different from the pressure of being "one of the other guys." i'm willing to give each the benefit of the doubt until they screw something up, and for the record, letting tyreke walk for nothing would be a MAJOR ****-up. i've said it many times before and i'll say it again: even if 'reke is not in their long term plans, they should re-sign him and position him for a trade down the road...
sacramento is a small market franchise that has historic difficulty in acquiring valuable assets. like him or not, tyreke evans is an asset with value around the nba. burke, mccollum, mclemore, muhammad, snell, hardaway jr. don't have any value in the nba except as draft picks with some glint of promise. given that not one of them are sure things, you cannot let evans walk in the hopes that your draft pick(s) become at least as good as him, or that you might be able to draft andrew wiggins next offseason, or that you might be able to trade some of your unattractive spare parts for a quality piece in return, or that you might be able to coax a worthy free agent to the kings despite seven straight losing seasons and barely a shred of history in the last couple of decades in which worthy free agents have decided to set up shop in sac. evans has value now, and would be very movable on anything but a max contract...
so, once again, if the "plan" is to let tyreke evans walk for nothing, it's a monumentally terrible plan, and would deserve to be called out as such regardless of the faith that fans so desperately want to give over to vivek and co...
sacramento is a small market franchise that has historic difficulty in acquiring valuable assets. like him or not, tyreke evans is an asset with value around the nba. burke, mccollum, mclemore, muhammad, snell, hardaway jr. don't have any value in the nba except as draft picks with some glint of promise. given that not one of them are sure things, you cannot let evans walk in the hopes that your draft pick(s) become at least as good as him, or that you might be able to draft andrew wiggins next offseason, or that you might be able to trade some of your unattractive spare parts for a quality piece in return, or that you might be able to coax a worthy free agent to the kings despite seven straight losing seasons and barely a shred of history in the last couple of decades in which worthy free agents have decided to set up shop in sac. evans has value now, and would be very movable on anything but a max contract...
so, once again, if the "plan" is to let tyreke evans walk for nothing, it's a monumentally terrible plan, and would deserve to be called out as such regardless of the faith that fans so desperately want to give over to vivek and co...
I hear excuses every day when working where people are throwing another person under the bus. I assume it just strikes a chord with me. I am willing to see your side, that Smart was somehow not as good of a rotation man as 95% of the forum was. Ok, I will look at it that way... Evans wasn't used properly. I already agreed with that because I want him at SG, not SF, or PG (full time).
I've just got this really crooked smile over the fact that you just made an argument based on PER.
Yes Evans will be ahead of the last few, but the point is those players are comparable. Oh you can add Thad Young and Ersan Ilyasova as SF comps.
And why leave out the non rookie contracts? You don't want people to see Hayward and Hendersons PERS of 16.81 and 16.46 as comps that wont be getting max deals.
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i'm not sure what you mean by "excuse." if tyreke evans is offered a max contract from some other team and they let him walk, you'll hear no quarrel from me. but if they let him walk for $8-12 million per, then they've royally ****ed the dog, and i'll be left speechless. there is no excuse for letting 'reke walk for nothing over $8-12 million per. again, at that kinda money, and with his particular skillset, he's a very movable asset, and you position yourself to trade him down the road if you determine that he's not in your long-term plans...
let's be very clear, if tyreke evans walks, here is a list of the kings' remaining useful assets: demarcus cousins, jason thompson, marcus thornton. that's it. that's all. the new regime is heavily committing to demarcus cousins, so he's not going anywhere. jason thompson is a serviceable rotation big that could bring back a useful roleplayer at a different position, i suppose, and marcus thornton is an explosive change-of-pace guard that could bring back a couple of useful roleplayers, but if you let evans and his all-star potential walk, where are you going to get all-star potential in return? does anybody at kf.com really have that much faith in whomever the kings' might pick in this year's draft? if not, what free agent with evans' talent is coming to sacramento? what talent under contract are the kings going to be able trade for that's at least as good as evans, considering that thompson, thornton, and scraps are about all the kings can offer?
let's be very clear, if tyreke evans walks, here is a list of the kings' remaining useful assets: demarcus cousins, jason thompson, marcus thornton. that's it. that's all. the new regime is heavily committing to demarcus cousins, so he's not going anywhere. jason thompson is a serviceable rotation big that could bring back a useful roleplayer at a different position, i suppose, and marcus thornton is an explosive change-of-pace guard that could bring back a couple of useful roleplayers, but if you let evans and his all-star potential walk, where are you going to get all-star potential in return? does anybody at kf.com really have that much faith in whomever the kings' might pick in this year's draft? if not, what free agent with evans' talent is coming to sacramento? what talent under contract are the kings going to be able trade for that's at least as good as evans, considering that thompson, thornton, and scraps are about all the kings can offer?
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