Tyreke Evans offered Qualifying Offer making him a Restricted Free Agent
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a) the veracity and purpose of CD's "report" are kinda contested, b) you said you would pay Reke 7-8M tops, which is less than Marcus Thornton type money and patently ridiculous for a player of Reke's age and potential, c) your assertion that Reke hasn't improved kind of flies in the face of things like his three-point shooting last year or his shot selection in general, d) all this happened in incredibly hostile circumstances, no roleplayers around him to let his talent breathe, instead there were only a multitude of ball hungry chuckers and a coach that didn't have a clue what to do with him.
bottom line: you're advocating just getting rid of Tyreke without getting anything in return. doing that is pretty much the worst thing a franchise could do, especially the Kings. the NBA is all about acquiring assets and improving their worth. the Kings have little enough assets as is, there's two, at best three starting calibre players on the team once Reke is gone, losing him without any compensation is wasteful to an intolerable degree, especially considering how handycapped the Kings are as far as acquiring assets is concerned (not much of value to trade, not a lot of caproom and a fairly undesirable free agent destination, making signing players difficult).
bottom line: you're advocating just getting rid of Tyreke without getting anything in return. doing that is pretty much the worst thing a franchise could do, especially the Kings. the NBA is all about acquiring assets and improving their worth. the Kings have little enough assets as is, there's two, at best three starting calibre players on the team once Reke is gone, losing him without any compensation is wasteful to an intolerable degree, especially considering how handycapped the Kings are as far as acquiring assets is concerned (not much of value to trade, not a lot of caproom and a fairly undesirable free agent destination, making signing players difficult).
I think it's pretty obvious some people only watch Kings games, along with maybe the finals. People are deluded if they think we can get a player of Tyreke's calibre at his age for under 10mil per. It's embarrassing given their staunch stance on the matter. There are only a few SGs in the league that can claim to be better than 'Reke, and when you consider how young he is and the mess that he's played through the last few season, it's amazing that he's made any improvements at all (and he has, both statistically and in terms of the "eye-test"). Honestly, I don't even know how Brick and Padrino keep pointing out the many flaws in the argument, it's like talking to a wall. I just don't get the appeal of ignoring evidence and reality. It flies in the face of improvement and what actually works.
No, I never liked Manu's game due to his turnovers and erratic play. However, he does do many things well to offset that weakness. Teams have adjusted to what Tyreke does well and now is isn't as effective as his rookie year. Although, I do love Tyreke's defense and how he doesn't allow ref's calls to effect his game. That's sort of how I view his contract, as a defensive SG with a decent offensive game. Sounds like Tony Allen, right? I think he made $3 million. Now, I think Tyreke is a much better player than Allen. About $4-5 million a year better - $7-8. Now to the point that Curry didn't improve until Marc Jackson got there. So you are giving Curry's better play entirely on the coach? I gotta put it on Curry's ability to improve as well. Back to my point, you can't put everything on the coach. It takes both the coaching and the player to improve.
I don't mind getting nothing in return for Tyreke, because they do get something. Cap space. I'd rather have more cap space than some players in a sign a trade that suck.
At this point, I believe, the FO is finding pieces to build around Cousins. I haven't seen him and Tyreke play well together.
Another person states that I'm being snarky. I made some points and the response was an unfunny paragraph about eye glass specials and just a LOL. I'm not sure where I'm being snarky. I was just trying to give my opinion. I figured you guys wouldn't agree due to loving Tyreke and not seeing how he and Cousins don't seem, and by reports by those with 'inside access', to like playing together.
Again, a player who doesn't improve isn't worth the kind of money some of you want to give him.
I don't mind getting nothing in return for Tyreke, because they do get something. Cap space. I'd rather have more cap space than some players in a sign a trade that suck.
At this point, I believe, the FO is finding pieces to build around Cousins. I haven't seen him and Tyreke play well together.
Another person states that I'm being snarky. I made some points and the response was an unfunny paragraph about eye glass specials and just a LOL. I'm not sure where I'm being snarky. I was just trying to give my opinion. I figured you guys wouldn't agree due to loving Tyreke and not seeing how he and Cousins don't seem, and by reports by those with 'inside access', to like playing together.
Again, a player who doesn't improve isn't worth the kind of money some of you want to give him.
The fact you don't think he's improved tells me most of what I need to know really.
And there is no question another team is going to agree with me on this. The only question is whether the new Kings franchise is going to be as pathetically stupid as the old Kings franchise when the decision comes whether to match. Hiring some number crunching underling from Denver is hardly some guarantee of competence.
P.S. Manu has 3 rings and is a borderline HOF candidate. I could have subbed in Harden's name as well, since Reke also makes better decisions than he does, but kinda pointless. You either know or you don't.
And there is no question another team is going to agree with me on this. The only question is whether the new Kings franchise is going to be as pathetically stupid as the old Kings franchise when the decision comes whether to match. Hiring some number crunching underling from Denver is hardly some guarantee of competence.
P.S. Manu has 3 rings and is a borderline HOF candidate. I could have subbed in Harden's name as well, since Reke also makes better decisions than he does, but kinda pointless. You either know or you don't.
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There is evidence that the team plays better without Evans, and I don't believe that people here know more about the Kings players and what they can and can't do than Westphal, and Smart.. Just saying.. You might have all this evidence, but the other side has evidence too and it's no reason to just blow off what they say.
Funny thing is, I'm not surprised that the team plays better without Evans. When we're not playing to his strengths he becomes a liability because his off-ball and outside game isn't as good as say Marcus Thornton. The question we have to ask is: with a proper coach who can utilize everyone's strengths, do we have the potential to be a better team with or without Tyreke Evans? Same should be asked of every player, with a clear hierarchy established. That is to say, assuming DMC is our primary offensive option, would Evans be a viable second option? Say yes for example, then ask, given DMC and Evans are main options and offense runs through them, are we a better team with MT? And so on. At each point there should also be an alternative. If not Evans, then who? If not MT, then who? Do we trade him for someone?
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Not sure.. None of us know this. Will Malone be the guy that can get what we have all wanted from Evans, or in a year will the posters on this forum throw another coach under the bus and say that he wasn't using Evans property? Hopefully Malone works out because I am tired of this argument as is most of this forum 
Not if you have a plan to replace him and find someone who fits better with Cousins. Obviously, Pete has a plan for the future of this team, that's what got him the job per the comments from Vivek. It doesn't sound like signing Tyreke to a big contract was part of it.
We just have a different opinion on Tyreke's value to this team vs the salary cap/salary.
We just have a different opinion on Tyreke's value to this team vs the salary cap/salary.
I agree with you dude. If we knew as much as those making the decisions, we would have those jobs. People complain about coaching moves, but it might have been the play of the players that caused the moves. You just don't know unless you are inside the practices, etc..
I is fun to discuss things, though.
I is fun to discuss things, though.
Denver didn't let Carmelo walk for nothing. Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Felton, Koufos, Mozgov, a 2014 first-rounder, two second rounders, and cash. Plus they dumped the contracts of Anthony Carter, Renaldo Balkman and Shelden Williams in the deal.
If the talk is about signing-and-trading 'Reke for assets, let's get a look at those assets before deciding whether it's a franchise-suicide deal. But if the talk is about letting 'Reke go for nothing as a restricted free agent, then, yeah, that does approach franchise suicide. In a city where talent doesn't come easily (i.e. top free agents don't sign here), we can't afford to let talent go easily when we do have it.
If the talk is about signing-and-trading 'Reke for assets, let's get a look at those assets before deciding whether it's a franchise-suicide deal. But if the talk is about letting 'Reke go for nothing as a restricted free agent, then, yeah, that does approach franchise suicide. In a city where talent doesn't come easily (i.e. top free agents don't sign here), we can't afford to let talent go easily when we do have it.
There are only a handful of teams with the cap space to sign him, so those teams would both need to want Evans and sign him for more than the Kings are willing. What the Kings get in return is cap space, which is very valuable a few years after the lockout. The FO must have a plan for another player to come in as a free agent. So consider that the trade.
The other teams would have to do a sign-and-trade. Then the Kings can get something back at the same time as Evans leaving. The Kings might not want to do it, though, if they get $10 million back in contracts that they don't want.
The other teams would have to do a sign-and-trade. Then the Kings can get something back at the same time as Evans leaving. The Kings might not want to do it, though, if they get $10 million back in contracts that they don't want.
Not sure.. None of us know this. Will Malone be the guy that can get what we have all wanted from Evans, or in a year will the posters on this forum throw another coach under the bus and say that he wasn't using Evans property? Hopefully Malone works out because I am tired of this argument as is most of this forum
Tyreke didn't regress these last few years, everything was taken away from him. He was given every reason to fail. Roleplayers with high basketball IQ and ability to spread the floor left and replaced with ball hogs many of which have low basketball IQ. His primary ball handling duties were taken away. His position was taken away several times as well. Finally culminated last season with a coach who seemingly didn't like to give roles to his players, Tyreke did the best he could with what was going on. Nobody could have succeeded with all of this going on.
It was said that there was evidence that the team played better without Tyreke last year, could be. Perhaps he doesn't play as well without a system in place and knowing his role, most players don't. Also I'll mention that we were still a very poor team last year so it really doesn't matter. In my opinion, contrary to what Grant Napier says, I believe Tyreke is not meant to be a roleplayer, he will be at his best and the team at its best with him as a primary option like in his rookie season. The last few seasons he hasn't been that and that is the issue, not his lack of development.
It's something that neither of us are to know until it happens. Hopefully Malone has some kind of structure and Evans can flourish in it.
In regard for your excuses comments, I didn't brush them aside. I just feel that they are coaches for a reason, and that they see a lot more than we can see. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are wrong, but I still believe that they know 100x more about what the players on the team are capable of doing than we do. We could be armchair coaches all we want, but in the end we aren't the ones with NBA coaching experience.
EDIT: In regards to your other comments about the system failing Evans after his rookie year, that's actually a good argument. While I don't think he was used correctly his rookie year, I could be 100% wrong, and the system could have failed him following the departure of Westphal. It's something we will probably not know until we see Evans in another system that caters to his talents.
In regard for your excuses comments, I didn't brush them aside. I just feel that they are coaches for a reason, and that they see a lot more than we can see. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are wrong, but I still believe that they know 100x more about what the players on the team are capable of doing than we do. We could be armchair coaches all we want, but in the end we aren't the ones with NBA coaching experience.
EDIT: In regards to your other comments about the system failing Evans after his rookie year, that's actually a good argument. While I don't think he was used correctly his rookie year, I could be 100% wrong, and the system could have failed him following the departure of Westphal. It's something we will probably not know until we see Evans in another system that caters to his talents.
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I strongly disagree with this. Tyreke suffered when there was a better player than him on the floor - Cousins. If Tyreke is your best player on your team and you set up a system around him, I don't think that is a winning formula. He just isn't that good.
Tyreke got the ball taken out of his hands because Isaiah is a better point guard (not player) than Tyreke. I don't even remember the role players who left with Westphal, who are you talking about? Carl Landry?
I'm happy with Tyreke being the 3rd best player on this team with a $7-8 million contract. If he is your best player and/or using 1/5 of your salary cap, that isn't a winning formula in my opinion.
Tyreke got the ball taken out of his hands because Isaiah is a better point guard (not player) than Tyreke. I don't even remember the role players who left with Westphal, who are you talking about? Carl Landry?
I'm happy with Tyreke being the 3rd best player on this team with a $7-8 million contract. If he is your best player and/or using 1/5 of your salary cap, that isn't a winning formula in my opinion.
I felt that they got a pretty damn good haul of players and picks in return for their player. it's really not applicable to this situation though.
again, my earlier point, how? sign somebody while you have all your cap space cluttered up by the Outlaws and the Salmons of this team? or even if you get cap space, who'd you want to spend it on, also considering the track record of free agent signings of this franchise? trade for that guy? with what assets? Tyreke and Cuz are the only two legitimate starters this team has to offer, we still owe a firstrounder to Cleveland, meaning we can't trade that until draft day. retaining Evans, especially under the circumstances of the new CBA and the fact that he still has potential to tap into, once you build a team actually suited to his strength, is by far the most sensible thing to do.
again, my earlier point, how? sign somebody while you have all your cap space cluttered up by the Outlaws and the Salmons of this team? or even if you get cap space, who'd you want to spend it on, also considering the track record of free agent signings of this franchise? trade for that guy? with what assets? Tyreke and Cuz are the only two legitimate starters this team has to offer, we still owe a firstrounder to Cleveland, meaning we can't trade that until draft day. retaining Evans, especially under the circumstances of the new CBA and the fact that he still has potential to tap into, once you build a team actually suited to his strength, is by far the most sensible thing to do.
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