Who is available as 6th-7th pick

Glenn

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I went back and read the article. Now I'm not so sure what caught my eye. Anyway he dropped for some reason. Maybe I made too much of the fact he had academic qualification problems at the beginning of his minor league, er, college career. Even being a year older than most freshman didn't seem to help.
 

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I went back and read the article. Now I'm not so sure what caught my eye. Anyway he dropped for some reason. Maybe I made too much of the fact he had academic qualification problems at the beginning of his minor league, er, college career. Even being a year older than most freshman didn't seem to help.
Actually, Muhammad's NCAA qualification problems weren't related to academics. They were related to a few recruiting trips that were paid for by a "friend of the family" who happened to also be involved in AAU ball. So it was an issue of potentially "improper benefits" and not academics.
 

Glenn

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Actually, Muhammad's NCAA qualification problems weren't related to academics. They were related to a few recruiting trips that were paid for by a "friend of the family" who happened to also be involved in AAU ball. So it was an issue of potentially "improper benefits" and not academics.
So he's smart enough but as with some mix ups with work outs, it's not his fault.
 

Glenn

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I didn't really want to imply that it was or wasn't his fault, just to note that it wasn't academics.
I know. I got the impression that he had a lot of excuses and I'm not even sure of what the problem was. Something about multiple work outs. Anyway, it was a big part (in my mind) of the write up that he would deny responsibility for this and that and that kind of person turns me off. Is it his fault that an AAU coach paid his way to a college or two? If he's going to be in the NBA, he better take an interest in what the adult world is like. He needs to know the rules and when he is breaking them. Maybe I better not say much more as this is kind of a personal reaction.

He might be a great basketball player. To me, the buck stops somewhere and he doesn't think that the "somewhere" is him. I don't agree.
 
If only.....if only we made the right call in our last 2 drafts this would be our line up today

C: Cousins
PF: Drummond
SF: Leonard
SG: Evans
PG: Thomas

Obvious weak link is Thomas but that starting 5 right there is a play off team without even going to the bench. Sign a FA PG and it's a heck of a young team BUT Jimmer and Robinson picks well and truly screwed that up! :(
 
If only.....if only we made the right call in our last 2 drafts this would be our line up today

C: Cousins
PF: Drummond
SF: Leonard
SG: Evans
PG: Thomas

Obvious weak link is Thomas but that starting 5 right there is a play off team without even going to the bench. Sign a FA PG and it's a heck of a young team BUT Jimmer and Robinson picks well and truly screwed that up! :(
don't forget Parsons from the bench. but hey, at least we can say that we pair 20mio dollars for Salmons/Garcia/Outlaw/Honeycutt (whilst Leonard/Parsons would've come in at 2.7mio).
 
don't forget Parsons from the bench. but hey, at least we can say that we pair 20mio dollars for Salmons/Garcia/Outlaw/Honeycutt (whilst Leonard/Parsons would've come in at 2.7mio).
Look Parsons was a long shot. A 2nd round pick so that could have gone on anyone really BUT both Leonard (at 7 or even 10 with Salmons trade) was a legitimate need and widely belived to be the no brainer pick for us. He was clearly the best fit for us there even without his currently developed 3pt shooting.

Drummond was also a very real possibility because of front office's claim that we need a shot blocker. These are both top 10 picks and 2nd rounders are very much hit and miss so I am not too fussed about those. Some you get (IT) some you miss (Honeycutt) but its much bigger gamble than inside top 10!
 
Look Parsons was a long shot. A 2nd round pick so that could have gone on anyone really BUT both Leonard (at 7 or even 10 with Salmons trade) was a legitimate need and widely belived to be the no brainer pick for us. He was clearly the best fit for us there even without his currently developed 3pt shooting.

Drummond was also a very real possibility because of front office's claim that we need a shot blocker. These are both top 10 picks and 2nd rounders are very much hit and miss so I am not too fussed about those. Some you get (IT) some you miss (Honeycutt) but its much bigger gamble than inside top 10!
I'm angry about Parsons because he was in our draft range with the second rounder, we did look for an SF with that pick, had people on this very board (baja, for instance) ranking Parsons more highly than Honeycutt and then completely wiffed on the pick. had we drafted a big man or guard at 35, I wouldn't say anything about it, but we were looking at small forwards and Parsons was right there.
 
Look Parsons was a long shot. A 2nd round pick so that could have gone on anyone really BUT both Leonard (at 7 or even 10 with Salmons trade) was a legitimate need and widely belived to be the no brainer pick for us. He was clearly the best fit for us there even without his currently developed 3pt shooting.

Drummond was also a very real possibility because of front office's claim that we need a shot blocker. These are both top 10 picks and 2nd rounders are very much hit and miss so I am not too fussed about those. Some you get (IT) some you miss (Honeycutt) but its much bigger gamble than inside top 10!
Yeah, nobody really thought that senior PF with 11p+8r and .368 3p%/.557 FT% is suddenly gonna be a prolific long-range bomber. He was thought of like less talented Aminu - not a particularly good prospect. Unless he had Douby-like shooting display in the workout it's likely even Houston didn't know what they were getting.
 
I'm surprised by how many people like MCW. Is it because of your nostalgia for Christie? I think he's a land mine. We can do better.
Maybe, but he brings passing to the game if nothing else. Last thing we need is another guard trying to score instead of passing it to Cousins/Evans/Thornton/Jimmer/Anyone open.

Not to mention, in the game against Indiana (With defense led by the supposedly elite defender Oladipo) he cut them apart getting to the basket with his ball handling.
 
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If only.....if only we made the right call in our last 2 drafts this would be our line up today

C: Cousins
PF: Drummond
SF: Leonard
SG: Evans
PG: Thomas

Obvious weak link is Thomas but that starting 5 right there is a play off team without even going to the bench. Sign a FA PG and it's a heck of a young team BUT Jimmer and Robinson picks well and truly screwed that up! :(
I agree with you and those guys were my preference in their drafts, but I wonder how much it would have helped given our organizational failures. You gotta wonder how much the Spurs organization has helped Leonard and make sure he's in a position to maximize what he has. I had so little faith in the Kings to do that. I'm just looking forward now and just hoping that the new leadership can get more out of the talent available then the previous regime. It just seemed like every player that has come through has regressed (except maybe Thomas) or at least been held back and I expect that to change.
 
I agree with you and those guys were my preference in their drafts, but I wonder how much it would have helped given our organizational failures. You gotta wonder how much the Spurs organization has helped Leonard and make sure he's in a position to maximize what he has. I had so little faith in the Kings to do that. I'm just looking forward now and just hoping that the new leadership can get more out of the talent available then the previous regime. It just seemed like every player that has come through has regressed (except maybe Thomas) or at least been held back and I expect that to change.
Sure those guys might not have developed here as much as they have with their current teams BUT, you don't lose talent ;). Sooner or later, given the right development, that will come to the surface.
 
Watching the Heat/Spurs game last night reinforced my belief that Schroeder has star potential. In terms of being able to stay in front of his man and provide smothering D at the point of attack, I think Norris Cole is a good comparison. Cole's a very good defender, but Schroeder has a much longer wingspan. Many of you raved about Douglas' impact on winning in part because of his D, well Schroeder gives you that plus defense. And on the offensive end he has elite speed/quickness with the ball. He's a young player with a lot of potential and has elite tools (defense, speed/quickness/handle) and in a draft like this he stands out from the rest. I think we have to take him if he's there at 7.
 
Ford has MCW to the Kings in his latest, albeit beat around the bush analysis to end up with MCW, mostly because of D'A's use of analytics:

Analysis: The good news: the Kings finally have a general manager in Pete D'Alessandro. The bad news: he started on Monday, which is after the Kings had completed workouts with most of the prospects in their range. So, either the Kings drag players back to Sacramento or new head coach Mike Malone and owner Vivek Ranadive will be heavily influencing the call.

From what I can gather, UCLA forward Shabazz Muhammad had the best workout, though the Kings weren't particularly high on him prior to that. The team loved Carter-Williams before he came in, but weren't impressed with his workout. Sounds like Trey Burke isn't particularly high on their list, either. Ditto for C.J. McCollum.

I'm not sure what to make of all that, but here's the best I can do: One of the biggest reasons the Kings hired D'Alessandro was because of his analytics work. Muhammad looks horrible in virtually every analytics model I've seen. Carter-Williams looks good in almost of all of them.
 

bajaden

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Look Parsons was a long shot. A 2nd round pick so that could have gone on anyone really BUT both Leonard (at 7 or even 10 with Salmons trade) was a legitimate need and widely belived to be the no brainer pick for us. He was clearly the best fit for us there even without his currently developed 3pt shooting.

Drummond was also a very real possibility because of front office's claim that we need a shot blocker. These are both top 10 picks and 2nd rounders are very much hit and miss so I am not too fussed about those. Some you get (IT) some you miss (Honeycutt) but its much bigger gamble than inside top 10!
How was Parsons a longshot? He was sitting right there when we used our second round pick on Honeycutt. You can say he might have been gone, but the fact is, he wasn't!
 
steven adams or anthony bennett with the 7th pick please.

btw, the front office said drummond was interchangeable with cousins. i assumed that they were going to take him with that comment especially when the front office thought the goof brothers couldn't afford to resign thompson
 
Watching the Heat/Spurs game last night reinforced my belief that Schroeder has star potential. In terms of being able to stay in front of his man and provide smothering D at the point of attack, I think Norris Cole is a good comparison. Cole's a very good defender, but Schroeder has a much longer wingspan. Many of you raved about Douglas' impact on winning in part because of his D, well Schroeder gives you that plus defense. And on the offensive end he has elite speed/quickness with the ball. He's a young player with a lot of potential and has elite tools (defense, speed/quickness/handle) and in a draft like this he stands out from the rest. I think we have to take him if he's there at 7.
toney douglas has really good d. full court press n all
 

bajaden

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Ford has MCW to the Kings in his latest, albeit beat around the bush analysis to end up with MCW, mostly because of D'A's use of analytics:

Analysis: The good news: the Kings finally have a general manager in Pete D'Alessandro. The bad news: he started on Monday, which is after the Kings had completed workouts with most of the prospects in their range. So, either the Kings drag players back to Sacramento or new head coach Mike Malone and owner Vivek Ranadive will be heavily influencing the call.

From what I can gather, UCLA forward Shabazz Muhammad had the best workout, though the Kings weren't particularly high on him prior to that. The team loved Carter-Williams before he came in, but weren't impressed with his workout. Sounds like Trey Burke isn't particularly high on their list, either. Ditto for C.J. McCollum.

I'm not sure what to make of all that, but here's the best I can do: One of the biggest reasons the Kings hired D'Alessandro was because of his analytics work. Muhammad looks horrible in virtually every analytics model I've seen. Carter-Williams looks good in almost of all of them.
Pay little of no attention to what comes out of any GM's mouth at this time. If a GM really likes a player, he isn't going to say so, and if he starts raving about a player, its usually a smoke screen, or a ploy to get a team lower in the draft to make a deal to move up to get the player they want. For what its worth, I know that Malone spent quite a bit of time talkig to McCollum after the workout. Whats interesting is that a lot of the players the Kings are bringing in are low first round picks, like Tony Snell, or second round picks. Makes me wonder if they might have something in the works to move down, or maybe aquire another pick.
 

bajaden

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Ford has MCW to the Kings in his latest, albeit beat around the bush analysis to end up with MCW, mostly because of D'A's use of analytics:

Analysis: The good news: the Kings finally have a general manager in Pete D'Alessandro. The bad news: he started on Monday, which is after the Kings had completed workouts with most of the prospects in their range. So, either the Kings drag players back to Sacramento or new head coach Mike Malone and owner Vivek Ranadive will be heavily influencing the call.

From what I can gather, UCLA forward Shabazz Muhammad had the best workout, though the Kings weren't particularly high on him prior to that. The team loved Carter-Williams before he came in, but weren't impressed with his workout. Sounds like Trey Burke isn't particularly high on their list, either. Ditto for C.J. McCollum.

I'm not sure what to make of all that, but here's the best I can do: One of the biggest reasons the Kings hired D'Alessandro was because of his analytics work. Muhammad looks horrible in virtually every analytics model I've seen. Carter-Williams looks good in almost of all of them.
Being you like analytics, take a look at this. Personally I'm not a big fan of winshare analytics, but you might be surprised where some of the players like Wolters and Muscala rate. I posted this in the Prospects fourm, but not many people go there, so I'm reposting it here.

http://www.canishoopus.com/2013/6/3...risons-expected-peak-values-star-starter-bust
 
If we are going big, and thats a big if, I'd take Len or Adams over Zeller. But, as I take a look at the latest mock on nbadraft - Alex Len at #1? Wow, where have I been
 
Whats interesting is that a lot of the players the Kings are bringing in are low first round picks, like Tony Snell, or second round picks. Makes me wonder if they might have something in the works to move down, or maybe aquire another pick.
Jazz worked out MCW today...hmmmm. ;)

I realize that he may ACTUALLY go #14, but still could mean something is up. Agents won't usually let their clients workout outside of their perceived range.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Jazz worked out MCW today...hmmmm. ;)

I realize that he may ACTUALLY go #14, but still could mean something is up. Agents won't usually let their clients workout outside of their perceived range.
I'm pretty confident that #14 is in MCW's range - I would definitely not put his floor above that.