Smart says Robinson can be a "Top 8 defender."

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#31
I wasn't quite sure where to put this, but I have a suspicion we missed out on Andre Drummond. I thought at the time of the draft he was worth the gamble just because of the prospect of pairing him with Cousins and then laughing for the next ten years as teams just got destroyed by them. I like Robinson, don't get me wrong, but Drummond seems to be doing very well and he is a freak athlete. Sometimes, one just has to roll the dice. What are your thoughts on the matter?

Some discussion over that in the personnel forum. And yes, I think we may have made a terrible error. A predictable error for us though. Petrie always favors offensive players. He has a tendency to favor old rooks who he can predict (Kevin, Cisco, Jason, Jimmer, TRob, tried to get Noah before settling for Spencer etc). Despite the two most talented guys he's drafted being Reke and Cousins, 1 and dones, Cousins' immaturity scared Geoff/us, and so we went back to our normal M.O. of drafting older rooks rather than raw talents. It netted us Jimmer. Now TRob, who may or may not be ok, but Drummond is scaring me. Before the draft I said if Drummond worked out he would be the perfect Cousins wingman, and we could be the Spurs and have the twin towers frontcourt dominate the league for the next decade. Now fans in Detroit are the ones talking about that with Drummond and Monroe. If it happens for them its franchise altering.
 
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#32
Some discussion over that in the personnel forum. And yes, I think we may have made a terrible error. A predictable error for us though. Petrie always favors offensive players. He has a tendency to favor old rooks who he can predict (Kevin, Cisco, Jason, Jimmer, TRob, tried to get Noah before settling for Spencer etc). Despite the two most talented guys he's drafted being Reke and Cousins, 1 and dones, Cousins' immaturity scared Geoff/us, and so we went back to our normal M.O. of drafting older rooks rather than raw talents. It netted us Jimmer. Now TRob, who may or may not be ok, but Drummond is scaring me. Before the draft I said if Drummond worked out he would be the perfect Cousins wingman, and we could be the Spurs and have the twin towers frontcourt dominate the league for the next decade. Now fans in Detroit are the ones talking about that with Drummond and Monroe. If it happens for them its franchise altering.
I think you are cherry picking examples to make your point. The kings have not had an "M.O." of drafting older players.

Honeycutt
Whiteside
Casspi
Hawes
Wallace
Peja
Hedo
JWill

and like you mentioned, cousins and evans.

I dont know what youre talking about.
 
#34
I think you are cherry picking examples to make your point. The kings have not had an "M.O." of drafting older players.

Honeycutt
Whiteside
Casspi
Hawes
Wallace
Peja
Hedo
JWill

and like you mentioned, cousins and evans.

I dont know what youre talking about.
I think the past 2 years they wanted players more ready to play than projects. We had enough projects already.
 
#35
I think the past 2 years they wanted players more ready to play than projects. We had enough projects already.
Yeah, I agree with you.

Brick was saying we are going BACK to our normal "M.O." by drafting older/ready players. Which is not true. It seems to me that Petrie has more of a history of drafting for talent.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#36
I think you are cherry picking examples to make your point. The kings have not had an "M.O." of drafting older players.

Honeycutt
Whiteside
Casspi
Hawes
Wallace
Peja
Hedo
JWill

and like you mentioned, cousins and evans.

I dont know what youre talking about.
Look at your list. Half of it is 15 years old. JWill was older BTW. People don't remember that. He just acted young.

Honeycutt and Whiteside were second round picks. They do not really count.

Wallace is the guy who I think really turned things for us and made us gunshy. In fact I think Geoff has drawn exactly the wrong conclusions about his kid picks. Kevin aside, his youth picks have always been the very most talnted guys he has taken (Gerald, Reke, Cousins, even Peja if you want to go back that far, which I don't). Which is no shocker, because they are routinely the most talented guys anybody takes anymore. Those with the talent normally leave for NBA bucks as soon as they can (with Kevin we benefitted from him being a small school guy who did not get the rep until late).

Ever since that Gerald "disaster" (in the organizations mind -- great pick in the mind of other organizations) we've gone (upperclassmen in bold):

Martin
Garcia
Douby

Hawes (but wanted Noah, another upperclassman. Hawes was just who was left)
Thompson
Evans
Cousins
Fredette
Robinson
 
#37
Look at your list. Half of it is 15 years old. JWill was older BTW. People don't remember that. He just acted young.

Honeycutt and Whiteside were second round picks. They do not really count.

Wallace is the guy who I think really turned things for us and made us gunshy. In fact I think Geoff has drawn exactly the wrong conclusions about his kid picks. Kevin aside, his youth picks have always been the very most talnted guys he has taken (Gerald, Reke, Cousins, even Peja if you want to go back that far, which I don't). Which is no shocker, because they are routinely the most talented guys anybody takes anymore. Those with the talent normally leave for NBA bucks as soon as they can (with Kevin we benefitted from him being a small school guy who did not get the rep until late).

Ever since that Gerald "disaster" (in the organizations mind -- great pick in the mind of other organizations) we've gone (upperclassmen in bold):

Martin
Garcia
Douby

Hawes (but wanted Noah, another upperclassman. Hawes was just who was left)
Thompson
Evans
Cousins
Fredette
Robinson
And your leaving out a major factor, draft position. Martin and Cisco were in the 20's picks. Your not left with much at that point to be picky about age. And with the excpetion of Douby those players turned out to be the right choices (minus, jimmer and Trob as the book it still out).
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#38
I hate statements like that. For all we know, that could just mean top 8 defender on our team. The number 8 makes a hell of a lot more sense as a "rotational player" number than the 8th best in the NBA
Well, I think we all know what his meaning was, and I doubt he mean't right now, but sometime in the future. Hell, you could say the same thing about Threke. Doesn't make it so, just a comment on potential. As Vince Lombardi said, the word potential means you haven't done anything yet.
 
#39
Look at your list. Half of it is 15 years old. JWill was older BTW. People don't remember that. He just acted young.

Honeycutt and Whiteside were second round picks. They do not really count.

Wallace is the guy who I think really turned things for us and made us gunshy. In fact I think Geoff has drawn exactly the wrong conclusions about his kid picks. Kevin aside, his youth picks have always been the very most talnted guys he has taken (Gerald, Reke, Cousins, even Peja if you want to go back that far, which I don't). Which is no shocker, because they are routinely the most talented guys anybody takes anymore. Those with the talent normally leave for NBA bucks as soon as they can (with Kevin we benefitted from him being a small school guy who did not get the rep until late).

Ever since that Gerald "disaster" (in the organizations mind -- great pick in the mind of other organizations) we've gone (upperclassmen in bold):

Martin
Garcia
Douby

Hawes (but wanted Noah, another upperclassman. Hawes was just who was left)
Thompson
Evans
Cousins
Fredette
Robinson
Petrie drafts for talent. To me, his draft history clearly shows that. This last two years he has, in my opinion, taken exception and drafted for the most NBA ready player. You say back to his "M.O." which to me means that you are referring to his history or pattern of drafting. But you arent willing to look "back that far." Then you discredit Hawes because he wanted Noah. Well, I'm sure he wouldve drafted durant or oden that year too, but that is not what happened.

Jason Williams, was old, yes. But you were referring to known/established players. Jason Williams was anything but that...transferred schools, was suspended, etc. If he was drafted based on the "M.O." you claim, then the choice seems as though it shouldve been Pierce.

Kevin Martin was anything but a sure thing. He may have been a senior, but he played in SoCon. He was not considered nba ready by anybody. So while he was older, I also think this pick was more based on talent than the assumption that he could come in an contribute right away, which he was not able or asked to do.

Wahad was the same way. Rode the pine at UM, transferred to SJSU where he played against inferior competition. He was an athletic talent drafted for his potential, not because he lit it up for one year.

Section 101 also makes a great point. You cant always draft young prospects in the late 20s, because the majority of them are all done.

I think Petrie's history of draft picks, trades, and signings prove that he is a GM that largely goes after talent before anything else, including fit and readiness. In fact, I sat next to him on a plane one time a few years ago. As much as he ignored me and wouldnt really talk to me, he did say that he makes decisions based on talent first, and works everything else out later, take that for what you will.
 
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bajaden

Hall of Famer
#40
Look at your list. Half of it is 15 years old. JWill was older BTW. People don't remember that. He just acted young.

Honeycutt and Whiteside were second round picks. They do not really count.

Wallace is the guy who I think really turned things for us and made us gunshy. In fact I think Geoff has drawn exactly the wrong conclusions about his kid picks. Kevin aside, his youth picks have always been the very most talnted guys he has taken (Gerald, Reke, Cousins, even Peja if you want to go back that far, which I don't). Which is no shocker, because they are routinely the most talented guys anybody takes anymore. Those with the talent normally leave for NBA bucks as soon as they can (with Kevin we benefitted from him being a small school guy who did not get the rep until late).

Ever since that Gerald "disaster" (in the organizations mind -- great pick in the mind of other organizations) we've gone (upperclassmen in bold):

Martin
Garcia
Douby

Hawes (but wanted Noah, another upperclassman. Hawes was just who was left)
Thompson
Evans
Cousins
Fredette
Robinson
I don't know, I've always felt Petrie picked who he thought was the best player available. You can argue with his decision of course, but I don't think he had an agenda based on years of college. I mean the Cousins pick flys in the face of that idea. Petrie could have passed on Cousins and very few would have been critical of that move. I would have since I believed that Cousins had star written all over him, and I took a lot of serious abuse on this fourm by defending him. But my point is, if he had such an agenda that would have been the time to pass on a player, but instead he drafted him because he felt he was the best player available.

The same case could be made for his choice of Tyreke. Now I do agree that he might be influenced with the current team to draft more ready players, which usually translates into drafting juniors and seniors. I suspose you could go back to Walt Williams or Brian Grant, both seniors, but both considered good choices at best player available. J. Will is an interesting case since he bounced in and out of college because of his immaturity, but it was rumored at the time that Jerry West had his eye on J. Will, and Petrie grabbed him first. Very similiar to when Petrie was looking hard at Kobe, and West made a deal with the Charlotte Bobcats the day before the draft, sending Vlade Divic to the Bobcats in exchange for whoever the Lakers wanted them to draft. Which turned out to be Kobe of course, one pick before the Kings made their pick.