Smart says Robinson can be a "Top 8 defender."

#2
As man on man defender, I think he can be really good because he is strong and quick. But I doubt he is going to be good shotblocker since he is not tall enough.
 

Bricklayer

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#4
I swear, this forum believes that shotblocking is the most important aspect of defense...

for a big man it is. It helps the entire team's defense, not just the defense on your own man.

But befoire we go any further, can we have a cite/link on this claiim of Smart's? Top 8 defender? That's an odd number to choose. Defender of what? Is he saying he'd be a DPOY candidate?
 
#5
for a big man it is. It helps the entire team's defense, not just the defense on your own man.

But befoire we go any further, can we have a cite/link on this claiim of Smart's? Top 8 defender? That's an odd number to choose. Defender of what? Is he saying he'd be a DPOY candidate?
Shotblocking most certainly is not the only attribute you need as a defensive big men, but like Bricklayer said, it is the most important one. Nene is a good defender but usually averages around 1 block a game. McGee is a poor defender but averages 2-2.5 blocks a game. Despite his poor defense, McGee still has a place in this league because of his superior shotblocking abilities.

And I too would love to see a link for this quote. I searched for that quote for around 15 minutes before I gave up. Given the fact that this is the OP's first post, I'm not sure how credible this can be.
 
#8
Imagine the possibilities... if Reke can find that outside shot, and if Johnson can become a starting quality SF, and if Robinson can channel his energy into his defense, and if Cousins can play up to his potential on the other side of the ball, the Kings could have something special... defensively. Yeah I know, too many if's, but still... there is hope that we could turn things around defensively with the pieces we already have.
 

Bricklayer

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#9
gotcha

btw you can direct link a youtube video to a particular time by timestamping it like this: #t=4m10s (added right after the end of the address)

Still have a question did he say "Top Eight" or did he say "Top A"? Top eight remains an odd number to throw out, especially off the cuff. Top A doesn't make direct sense either, but sounds more like something you might say off the cuff. Has a chance to be a top, A, defender.

Regardless, that would certianly help. Oddly he was terrible trying to defend the post in summer league. Could not handle size, and rarely even got his hands up. But maybe this is where the SF experiment kicks in. Regardless of what else he can or cannot do, he's a good athlete, and if his motor could be harnassed defensively maybe he and Johnson could combine to give us size, toughness and defense out of the SF + SF/PF positions.
 
#10
gotcha

btw you can direct link a youtube video to a particular time by timestamping it like this: #t=4m10s (added right after the end of the address)

Still have a question did he say "Top Eight" or did he say "Top A"? Top eight remains an odd number to throw out, especially off the cuff. Top A doesn't make direct sense either, but sounds more like something you might say off the cuff. Has a chance to be a top, A, defender.

Regardless, that would certianly help. Oddly he was terrible trying to defend the post in summer league. Could not handle size, and rarely even got his hands up. But maybe this is where the SF experiment kicks in. Regardless of what else he can or cannot do, he's a good athlete, and if his motor could be harnassed defensively maybe he and Johnson could combine to give us size, toughness and defense out of the SF + SF/PF positions.
Top A, as in grading by A B C D F.
 

Kingster

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#11
Well, I guess Smart and I agree on Robinson's defensive potential - A.

This team has high defensive potential; it just hasn't realized it yet.
 
#13
When I saw that video I thought he said 'top 8' ... and I didn't even think about it because in a different video he said he wanted Cousins to get 1 or 2 'honorable mention' votes for All-Defensive team. I guess he likes setting weird goals.
 
#15
As a versatile defender who can guard 3 and 4 (occasionally undersized 5s) and be good to great depending on the matchup, yes, I think T-Rob can be that. And I think this is Smart's point - the versatility.

As a lock down big man defender a la PJ Brown, Hornace Grant, etc - nope, don't see it (but I'll be happy to be wrong).

I always thought T-Rob's size, physical tools, and relentlessness are similar to Rodman's; but Rodman, as great as he was, still occasionally had problems defending those bigger fours (particularly when the refs were calling it tight).
 
#16
As a versatile defender who can guard 3 and 4 (occasionally undersized 5s) and be good to great depending on the matchup, yes, I think T-Rob can be that. And I think this is Smart's point - the versatility.

As a lock down big man defender a la PJ Brown, Hornace Grant, etc - nope, don't see it (but I'll be happy to be wrong).

I always thought T-Rob's size, physical tools, and relentlessness are similar to Rodman's; but Rodman, as great as he was, still occasionally had problems defending those bigger fours (particularly when the refs were calling it tight).
I also think that a lot of fans forget that Rodman started his career at SF, not PF. That being said, Robinson is bigger than Rodman.
 
#17
Robinson's defensive potential is very encouraging. With his tools he could learn to be a shot blocker. In by book you shot block at a risk. Good defense includes the admonition that you don't leave hyour feet. To shot block you have to leave you feet. Robinson has the tools and the energy to be an asset on defense.
 
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baller13

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#19
Hasheem thabeet would probably block some shots, and since that is obviously the most important thing for a big man we should probably bring him in. (sarcasm)
 
#20
I consider Johnson to be primarily a small forward which means he will more often guard perimeter players. He'll end up with some blocks here and there just by virtue of his will to get his hands dirty.
 
#21
Hasheem thabeet would probably block some shots, and since that is obviously the most important thing for a big man we should probably bring him in. (sarcasm)
Umm ... don't see where anybody said blocking shots is the most important thing overall for a big man. But it could pretty well be on the defensive end (aside from rebounding). Can Thabeet do anything decently on the offensive end? If he can sure let's bring him in!
 

Bricklayer

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#22
I consider Johnson to be primarily a small forward which means he will more often guard perimeter players. He'll end up with some blocks here and there just by virtue of his will to get his hands dirty.

Johnson? or Robinson?

Johnson is ineed a SF, and he's one of the best SF shotblockers in the game. Much more effective at that than TRob, whatever positions you call them.
 
#23
Johnson? or Robinson?

Johnson is ineed a SF, and he's one of the best SF shotblockers in the game. Much more effective at that than TRob, whatever positions you call them.
See this is where I want Smart to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to defense. No question that Johnson is the best fit at SF right now and should be getting most of the minutes there. He's not even a liability on offense like Outlaw and Salmons. He gets 10 points a game without running a play for him and he passes and drives well. Put him out there and the defense is solid. Yes he's not a lights out perimeter shooter. But they can still space the floor with IT, Brooks or MT on the opposite wing. It's not like he kills their offense.
 

Bricklayer

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#24
See this is where I want Smart to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to defense. No question that Johnson is the best fit at SF right now and should be getting most of the minutes there. He's not even a liability on offense like Outlaw and Salmons. He gets 10 points a game without running a play for him and he passes and drives well. Put him out there and the defense is solid. Yes he's not a lights out perimeter shooter. But they can still space the floor with IT, Brooks or MT on the opposite wing. It's not like he kills their offense.


Well at least no worse than Outlaw or Salmons. :p

Seriously, given our needs, if Johnson isn't going to be given the start, the next guy you might look at is Cisco. Get slaughtered by big SFs, we'll get killed on the glass. But at least he can sometimes hit the three and understands how to make it all about the star guys rather than himself.
 
#25
garcia is the last guy i wanna see on the court. Johnson, Salmons Outlaw should all be before him. hell even Tyreke or TRob at the 3 is better than worthless cisco
 
#26
i dont want to see TRob at the 3 however thats where i feel he would be at his most effective defensively. Saying Cisco is worthless is rubbish and id rather see him at SF then anyone bar Johnson. Outlaw will be improved so hes he can battle it out but Salmons needs to be moved
 
#27
Robinson is not ready to start at PF let alone SF. He still has to adjust to the NBA. He's got the motor to play hard. But energy does not mean he is effective at doing his job on the floor - yet. He's going to need to come off the bench for a while and learn the ropes of the NBA game.
 
#28
I hate statements like that. For all we know, that could just mean top 8 defender on our team. The number 8 makes a hell of a lot more sense as a "rotational player" number than the 8th best in the NBA
 
#30
I wasn't quite sure where to put this, but I have a suspicion we missed out on Andre Drummond. I thought at the time of the draft he was worth the gamble just because of the prospect of pairing him with Cousins and then laughing for the next ten years as teams just got destroyed by them. I like Robinson, don't get me wrong, but Drummond seems to be doing very well and he is a freak athlete. Sometimes, one just has to roll the dice. What are your thoughts on the matter?