Petrie and Cooper meeting with Ryan Anderson

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joemama

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Thompson and Belineli?

John Hollinger: Hornets would presumably renounce Kaman, Landry and Belinelli in order to have room for Ryan Anderson. Twitter

Jason Jones: #NBAKings‬ are close to an agreement on a new contract with PF Jason Thompson according to a source. Twitter

It’s almost a done deal and it’s a big win for European basketball. Andrei Kirilenko, the marquee superstar of last season’s Euroleague, according to sources from Moscow has already decided to stay at least one more year at CSKA. EuroHoops.net

So Anderson is gone to NO, Kirilenko is staying, and JT is signing (with us).
If it is true about renouncing Belineli and Kaman I think those are two we should still seriously consider.

Can Belineli play the three or is he a two?
 
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BMiller52

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Not really upset we missed out on him. I don't think he really fits out team anyway. I'm not a huge fan of paying 9m/yr for a back up PF or having a SF who can't play SF. Anderson's a good player but not a great fit for our team. I'd rather have Kirilenko.

edit: wow it sucks that Kirilenko is staying in Europe. I really wanted him here. I guess I wouldn't mind taking a shot on Belinelli if he can play the 3. Atleast he can shoot well.
 
kingjatt

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impressed with the hornets bold moves, matching gordons max, anderson, drafting rivers, they will be exciting to watch and possibly leap frog us in the cluster of teams that are rebuilding. depressing.
 
kingjatt

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BMiller52 said:
Not really upset we missed out on him. I don't think he really fits out team anyway. I'm not a huge fan of paying 9m/yr for a back up PF or having a SF who can't play SF. Anderson's a good player but not a great fit for our team. I'd rather have Kirilenko.

edit: wow it sucks that Kirilenko is staying in Europe. I really wanted him here. I guess I wouldn't mind taking a shot on Belinelli if he can play the 3. Atleast he can shoot well.
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yeah AK said the samething last year when he had offers from a few teams, the nets being one of them, he is just hell bent on staying over there.
 
Mass

Mass

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joemama said:
John Hollinger: Hornets would presumably renounce Kaman, Landry and Belinelli in order to have room for Ryan Anderson. Twitter

Jason Jones: #NBAKings‬ are close to an agreement on a new contract with PF Jason Thompson according to a source. Twitter

It’s almost a done deal and it’s a big win for European basketball. Andrei Kirilenko, the marquee superstar of last season’s Euroleague, according to sources from Moscow has already decided to stay at least one more year at CSKA. EuroHoops.net

So Anderson is gone to NO, Kirilenko is staying, and JT is signing (with us).
If it is true about renouncing Belineli and Kaman I think those are two we should still seriously consider.

Can Belineli play the three or is he a two?
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No, not at all. Belinelli cannot play the 3. He is a very bad defender, and he does not have the body to play the 3. He is closer to a 1 than a 3.

I know him pretty well, I've seen him play a lot of time here in Italy too, and I wouldn't even think about him for this team.

After all, I'll be happy if we keep JT. This team need stability, and JT can be a very good 3rd big. Too bad for Kirilenko, but I'm not sure we ever had a real shot at him. Right now, just give me Dorrell Wright and I'll be more than happy.
 
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steelevt

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Glenn said:
Yes if they sign JT and TWill with TWill being the less essential. They will have added a year of experience and go into a season with a coach who at the least has some direction in mind, agree with it or not. Young teams gain experience and at this point, our most important player will benefit from another year and perhaps Tyreke's role will be sorted out. The confusion of last year may not exist this year and all that makes us better.
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i agree to a certain extent. no major signings is better than a bad signing, so bringing back the same team as last year should technically make you better if not than exactly the same. another year is actually a good thing for a young team as opposed to a team like the celtics so i agree with you. the only problem is that we sucked last year. so doing nothing in fa might make us a little better and build chemistry, but a little better than a bottom dweller isnt much. if all we do is let the team grow and build together without adding a big signing we will be what? 6th or 7th worse team in the league? im not saying anderson is the answer but staying put, while it doesnt make the team worse, doesnt make us that much better either.
 
UK_King

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It depends how you define "better"

I remember many saying we were playoff bound the year before last and last year.... And i don't doubt some will be saying the same thing again this year.. for some reason.
 
Bricklayer

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UK_King said:
It depends how you define "better"

I remember many saying we were playoff bound the year before last and last year.... And i don't doubt some will be saying the same thing again this year.. for some reason.
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Better = 10 wins better pretty easily just by not shooting ourselves in the foot this time. But of course we are very good at shooting ourselves in the foot, so may be too much to ask especially with our coaching issues. People keep looking outside the team for a savior. That's not realistic. Young teams save themselves just by growing up, but your responsibility is to provide a stable environment for them to do so filled with dependable vets and coaches etc.. We have been an absolute miserable failure at that. Its like we are actively fighting our own emergence.
 
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rekehavoc73186

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wow cant believe hornets traded him for that? really? how can we not get anderson. I am speechless right now. We could of gave them anything to get him and we dont pull the trigger.
 
bajaden

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rekehavoc73186 said:
wow cant believe hornets traded him for that? really? how can we not get anderson. I am speechless right now. We could of gave them anything to get him and we dont pull the trigger.
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If you look closely, the Magic basicly took back no salary. That means the Hornets had to absorb almost all of Andersons salary. That means we would have had to do the same. If a deal with JT is almost done at around 6 mil, and we have to leave around 3 mil available for Robinson, then we wouldn't have the capspace to absorb Andersons salary without moving some salary first. Its just not a simple as you might think. There are rules you have to abide by.
 
Bricklayer

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rekehavoc73186 said:
wow cant believe hornets traded him for that? really? how can we not get anderson. I am speechless right now. We could of gave them anything to get him and we dont pull the trigger.
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People act like this was the Magic's choice. It was not. It was Anderson's choice. He found somebody willing to pay him $9mil a year. I have no idea how deluded the Hornets must be to think Davis can play center in the NBA, with Anderson as a PF, but regardless, somebody offered Anderson $36mil dollars. Magic were just left wiht the choise lose him for nothing or take back a contract.
 
PurpleHaze

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kingjatt said:
impressed with the hornets bold moves, matching gordons max, anderson, drafting rivers, they will be exciting to watch and possibly leap frog us in the cluster of teams that are rebuilding. depressing.
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And to think Hornets were in total disaray not long ago, playing some games in OKC, franchise taken over by NBA, etc. Now their new ownership is solid and totally committed to New Orleans - what an amazing turn of events.
 
Glenn

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steelevt said:
i agree to a certain extent. no major signings is better than a bad signing, so bringing back the same team as last year should technically make you better if not than exactly the same. another year is actually a good thing for a young team as opposed to a team like the celtics so i agree with you. the only problem is that we sucked last year. so doing nothing in fa might make us a little better and build chemistry, but a little better than a bottom dweller isnt much. if all we do is let the team grow and build together without adding a big signing we will be what? 6th or 7th worse team in the league? im not saying anderson is the answer but staying put, while it doesnt make the team worse, doesnt make us that much better either.
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I won't be satisfied unless we solve our "overabundance" of guards and SFs and bundle a couple to get a starter quality SF. I was directing my comments only to the free agency period. Last year we couldn't even retain our own FA, Daly, and I think that cost us big time. If he didn't resign because of Westphal, which I believe is what he said, he has exposed the added danger of hiring bargain basement idiots as coaches. In the end, that one player loss may have cost the Maloofs more than they saved by signing Westphal. I must admit that it is difficult to discuss this team without my distaste for the Maloofs being thrown in. Anybody want to discuss what having broke owners does to this team? We need to quit pretending that we have the opportunities most teams have.

The Maloofs are the road block.
 
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Gilles

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Where are they going to play Anderson? Davis is projected to spend most of his career as PF. No way they will expose him to abuse from every center.
 
DesertFox

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Gilles said:
Where are they going to play Anderson? Davis is projected to spend most of his career as PF. No way they will expose him to abuse from every center.
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Davis can guard 3's. The same way people were wondering if Trob can play 3 on d and 4 on O next to Anderson, Davis definitely has the mobility to do that. They can literally plug in any wide body to play the 4 or 5 next to them and still defend most NBA frontlines. And a Davis/Anderson C/PF combo will be doable at times.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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They still have Jason Smith, who is a legit 7 footer. He was a pretty athletic player prior to suffering a knee injury. It may not be perfect, but they can have a three man rotation of Smith, Davis, and Anderson. Who knows, maybe they'll find a way to resign Kaman, but I doubt it.
 
Capt. Factorial

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DesertFox said:
Davis can guard 3's. The same way people were wondering if Trob can play 3 on d and 4 on O next to Anderson, Davis definitely has the mobility to do that.
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That would seem to be a bad idea. Davis was the top pick in the because of his shotblocking. Put him on a SF, and the opponent will simply draw Davis out to the perimeter and completely negate his defensive impact. Davis HAS to be in the paint.
 
DesertFox

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Capt. Factorial said:
That would seem to be a bad idea. Davis was the top pick in the because of his shotblocking. Put him on a SF, and the opponent will simply draw Davis out to the perimeter and completely negate his defensive impact. Davis HAS to be in the paint.
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He can still get his blocks if he spends 15-20 min at the 3. I agree long term you want him playing at the 4, but early in their career guys like AK47/G Wallace/J Smith got a lot of weakside blocks at SF.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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DesertFox said:
He can still get his blocks if he spends 15-20 min at the 3. I agree long term you want him playing at the 4, but early in their career guys like AK47/G Wallace/J Smith got a lot of weakside blocks at SF.
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All three of those guys are small forwards. Asking Davis to play the 3 or 5 is a recipe for disaster at this point in his career.
 
PurpleHaze

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Tetsujin said:
All three of those guys are small forwards. Asking Davis to play the 3 or 5 is a recipe for disaster at this point in his career.
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I'm sure NOH have Davis slotted at 5, although he might not start or play big minutes right away. Center is least dominate position in NBA at present and in recent years - simply due to shortage of big man pro talent. Name number of truely great centers in the league or even really good ones? I can think of around maybe half dozen in a league with 30 teams which presumably have at least 2 centers on each roster. Anthony Davis right now is probably as good or better than over half the "60" or so centers in NBA. Lastly, I would not be surprised to see Davis grow another half inch to inch over next year. He was only 6'3" just two and half years ago.
 
Bricklayer

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PurpleHaze said:
I'm sure NOH have Davis slotted at 5, although he might not start or play big minutes right away. Center is least dominate position in NBA at present and in recent years - simply due to shortage of big man pro talent. Name number of truely great centers in the league or even really good ones? I can think of around maybe half dozen in a league with 30 teams which presumably have at least 2 centers on each roster. Anthony Davis right now is probably as good or better than over half the "60" or so centers in NBA. Lastly, I would not be surprised to see Davis grow another half inch to inch over next year. He was only 6'3" just two and half years ago.
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Not a question of height.

Here are the other centers in his conference:

Marc Gasol
Nikola Petrovic
Tim Duncan
Brendan Haywood
Omar Asik
Demarcus Cousins
Andrew Bogut
Andrew Bynum
Deandre Jordan
Marcin Gortat
Al Jefferson
Javale McGee
Kendrick Perkins
somebody in Portland

If they throw him in there against that crew there are going to find his limbs scattered over three states. He'd be giving away 50lbs on some nights, and a lot of those guys are well known for their physical play.
 
PurpleHaze

PurpleHaze

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Bricklayer said:
Not a question of height.
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I agree it's not ALL a question of height. Like I said, Davis probably does not start or play big minutes at 5 - or any position on the court immediately. But, because of his other first rate big man assets, quickness, lateral movement, length, superb shot blocking, passing out of post, excellent rebounding, etc. - he's NOH starting center at some point. The other poster just assumed he would and should be playing 4 and never see minutes at 5.
 
ParniValjak

ParniValjak

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I can't say I am disappointed that Anderson is not coming to the Kings.

The last thing we needed to way pay $8-9 million per season for the wrong player and I have no doubt that he will struggle in NO playing without a dominant big man to take make life easier for him.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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PurpleHaze said:
I agree it's not ALL a question of height. Like I said, Davis probably does not start or play big minutes at 5 - or any position on the court immediately. But, because of his other first rate big man assets, quickness, lateral movement, length, superb shot blocking, passing out of post, excellent rebounding, etc. - he's NOH starting center at some point. The other poster just assumed he would and should be playing 4 and never see minutes at 5.
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6'10", 230 lbs when wet doesn't scream 5 to me. Those other assets are great and all but to maximize his value to the team, you stick him at the 4 not the 5. It is very much like the Reke situation. Talented? Yes. Physical freak? Check. Optimal size for the five-spot? No way.
 
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