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Skimming Rockets fansites. Boy are they pissed/delusional.
From earlier in the day:
Same guy, later in the day once Bobcats picked MKG, thus clearing boards for us to get TR.
Someone's quote right before the Rockets picked Royce.
A comment that made me laugh
Houston is to undersized bigmen as we are to guards.
So look on the brightside, those of you who hate our draft this year. At least we aren't Houstonites.
From earlier in the day:
Same guy, later in the day once Bobcats picked MKG, thus clearing boards for us to get TR.
Someone's quote right before the Rockets picked Royce.
A comment that made me laugh
Houston is to undersized bigmen as we are to guards.
So look on the brightside, those of you who hate our draft this year. At least we aren't Houstonites.
That's certainly a different tune to the one he was singing a month ago. A month ago he said our major needs to address this off-season are a rim protector and the SF position. As of right now, we have done neither despite picking up a very nice player in Robinson and comments regarding JT (who I am a fan off) suggest that we are not going to do anything about it anyway.
If you thought you needed a rim protection a month ago with Whiteside on your roster, what has changed now that all of a sudden its not needed?
If you thought you needed a rim protection a month ago with Whiteside on your roster, what has changed now that all of a sudden its not needed?
I just want to throw this out there, but why not go to a big lineup? Evans-Thornton-Robinson-Thompson-Cousins?
Robinson has the athleticism to guard the SF position and has the size to play there as well. This lineup gives a great rebounding advantage with 3 solid rebounders. Robinson also has a pretty good mid range game and has good ball handling skills for his size.
Robinson has the athleticism to guard the SF position and has the size to play there as well. This lineup gives a great rebounding advantage with 3 solid rebounders. Robinson also has a pretty good mid range game and has good ball handling skills for his size.
I disagree. Not because of what Smart said (although I believe that as well), but because the only reason he wasn't the PG for much of last year was the IT ROY stupid-as-**** campaign by MSE. They think this is a soap opera and they have to keep generating storylines to draw people in. How about this you dumb *****, sell the team to a damn owner who can actually field a competitive team and doesn't hamstring the GM by selling picks for cash and keeping the lowest payroll in the league. That will draw in fans faster than anything else will.
How about signing off on a new downtown arena deal like the last one that was forged by the NBA on your behalf? That will show the team, other players, the City, and most of all the fans that you want to stay and make it work. That will help draw free agents and fans as well.
How about signing off on a new downtown arena deal like the last one that was forged by the NBA on your behalf? That will show the team, other players, the City, and most of all the fans that you want to stay and make it work. That will help draw free agents and fans as well.
Im not quite sold on this pick, I know in the draft you go BPA and sort it out later but with our broke owners we have to believe that our roster is set as far as big moves barring an unlikely trade. Our only free agent signing will be JT and the rookie (maybe t-will) and we will go thru another season with glaring holes at SF and PG. I just hope smart snaps out of the musical chair rotations and stops trying to be the good guy and also stops giving guys unearned minutes. not to mention no more midget line-ups that get burned defensively.
As has been mentioned, measurement wise Robinson stacks up nearly identically to two of the best young PFs in the NBA.
Blake Griffin
Height w/o shoes: 6' 8.5"
Weight: 248 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 11.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 9"
Body Fat: 8.2%
No Step Vert: 32.0"
Max Vert: 35.5"
Bench Press: 22
Lane Agility: 10.95 s
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.28 s
Kevin Love:
Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.75"
Weight: 255 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 11.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"
Body Fat: 12.9%
No Step Vert: 29.5"
Max Vert: 35.0"
Bench Press: 18
Lane Agility: 11.17 s
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.22 s
Thomas Robinson
Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.75"
Weight: 244 lbs
Wingspan: 7' 3.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"
Body Fat: 5.0%
No Step Vert: 28.5"
Max Vert: 35.5"
Bench Press: 15
Lane Agility: 11.98 s
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.17 s
Obviously that doesn't indicate any real similarity in their games (and indeed, Love and Griffin are vastly different players despite similar measurements) but it makes me question the number of posts I've seen here proclaiming Robinson as undersized for the four spot.
And truth be told I think between the two Robinson is far closer to Love than Griffin. Griffin has in-game athleticism that I haven't seen since Shawn Kemp and he just has body control and an otherworldly nose for the hoop.
Kevin Love entered the league with a better post game and a better feel for passing the ball, but his rise has been predicated on a relentlessness, a great motor/intensity and hard work.
I think Robinson can be a poor man's Karl Malone - rebounding, running the floor, excelling in the pick and roll, adding and refining a mid range shot and always competing hard.
Is he an ideal fit next to DeMarcus Cousins? Nope. Drummond could possibly reach his potential and be that guy (and I'll be watching Detroit very closely to see what might have been for the Kings) but realistically Anthony Davis was the one guy that was available in the draft who would have been a perfect match.
Given that Davis and MKG went 1 and 2, I can't fault Petrie at all for grabbing Robinson.
I'm curious to know exactly what the Rockets best offer for our pick was. Lowry and Henson or Harkless would have filled holes better but I'm not convinced it's a better move long term.
I like DeMarcus a lot. And I still have hope that Tyreke will become the player we know he's capable of being. But this is still a very bad Kings team and I'm far from convinced that we're at the stage of just adding role players around our 'stars" just yet.
Blake Griffin
Height w/o shoes: 6' 8.5"
Weight: 248 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 11.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 9"
Body Fat: 8.2%
No Step Vert: 32.0"
Max Vert: 35.5"
Bench Press: 22
Lane Agility: 10.95 s
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.28 s
Kevin Love:
Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.75"
Weight: 255 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 11.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"
Body Fat: 12.9%
No Step Vert: 29.5"
Max Vert: 35.0"
Bench Press: 18
Lane Agility: 11.17 s
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.22 s
Thomas Robinson
Height w/o shoes: 6' 7.75"
Weight: 244 lbs
Wingspan: 7' 3.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"
Body Fat: 5.0%
No Step Vert: 28.5"
Max Vert: 35.5"
Bench Press: 15
Lane Agility: 11.98 s
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.17 s
Obviously that doesn't indicate any real similarity in their games (and indeed, Love and Griffin are vastly different players despite similar measurements) but it makes me question the number of posts I've seen here proclaiming Robinson as undersized for the four spot.
And truth be told I think between the two Robinson is far closer to Love than Griffin. Griffin has in-game athleticism that I haven't seen since Shawn Kemp and he just has body control and an otherworldly nose for the hoop.
Kevin Love entered the league with a better post game and a better feel for passing the ball, but his rise has been predicated on a relentlessness, a great motor/intensity and hard work.
I think Robinson can be a poor man's Karl Malone - rebounding, running the floor, excelling in the pick and roll, adding and refining a mid range shot and always competing hard.
Is he an ideal fit next to DeMarcus Cousins? Nope. Drummond could possibly reach his potential and be that guy (and I'll be watching Detroit very closely to see what might have been for the Kings) but realistically Anthony Davis was the one guy that was available in the draft who would have been a perfect match.
Given that Davis and MKG went 1 and 2, I can't fault Petrie at all for grabbing Robinson.
I'm curious to know exactly what the Rockets best offer for our pick was. Lowry and Henson or Harkless would have filled holes better but I'm not convinced it's a better move long term.
I like DeMarcus a lot. And I still have hope that Tyreke will become the player we know he's capable of being. But this is still a very bad Kings team and I'm far from convinced that we're at the stage of just adding role players around our 'stars" just yet.
Let's be honest. If the Maloofs don't sell the team (or get their way and move to Anaheim) this team will continue to founder.
I think I understand where you're coming from because I had a very similar thought going into the thread. I imagined that if the Rockets dealt us Lowry and #12 & #16 that the Kings could end up with both Henson and Harkless (or another pair of rookies that filled the SF and rim protector roles) would give the Kings a balanced lineup without having to acquire additional players via free agency. And that was an important point for me because I (and I imagine most other King's fans) have zero faith that the Maloofs are willing or able to shell out for players to fill out the roster in free agency.
But even then it's a band aid to the problem when you realize that Tyreke can (and unfortunately probably will) walk away when his contract is up with DMC to follow if the Maloofs are approaching things the way they seem to be. The ownership/arena issue needs to get sorted out sooner than later or really it doesn't matter what Petrie does or doesn't do. The team will never have any sustained success if ownership is not committed to winning and the cost it requires.
I think I understand where you're coming from because I had a very similar thought going into the thread. I imagined that if the Rockets dealt us Lowry and #12 & #16 that the Kings could end up with both Henson and Harkless (or another pair of rookies that filled the SF and rim protector roles) would give the Kings a balanced lineup without having to acquire additional players via free agency. And that was an important point for me because I (and I imagine most other King's fans) have zero faith that the Maloofs are willing or able to shell out for players to fill out the roster in free agency.
But even then it's a band aid to the problem when you realize that Tyreke can (and unfortunately probably will) walk away when his contract is up with DMC to follow if the Maloofs are approaching things the way they seem to be. The ownership/arena issue needs to get sorted out sooner than later or really it doesn't matter what Petrie does or doesn't do. The team will never have any sustained success if ownership is not committed to winning and the cost it requires.
I think Robinson is much, much closer to Griffin than to Love. Robinson is extremely fast (note the speed drill) and very athletic. Love is more of a bulky, strong, very good hands, very good shooter guy with a low defense ceiling. I really don't think the Kings are going to be abused by Griffin like they have in the past. Robinson can match his athleticism.
its not only the fact that they have no money, its where whatever money they get from revenue sharing is spent on crap. 17 mil into garbage SFs, smarts quick extension, the money grab pick last year as well as the absolute waste of money on hayes who will not see the court next year unless someone goes down. They keep trying to find cheap guys who will shock the world and be great but that rarely happens in the NBA and if it does you have to pay up eventually. something which the goofs will not do.
I aknowledge the fact that robinson is a good kid and may well be the 2nd best talent in the draft, but we have stacked talent for 6 years now and its time to stack pieces to make our existing talent better.
we needed to trade that pick somehow to houston for lowry and those 2 picks. we could have landed henson and harkless, with lowry around DMC and Reke, instead we get a guy who has a great story(marketable) and is cheap(maloofed). but doesnt quite fit.
We simply cannot over look the fact that the magoofs do everything with a tight fist and approach everything in the cheapest way possible, they would have had 2 guaranteed rookie deals along with lowrys 5.7, 6.2 million which is wayyy more than 1 rookie deal(robinson). Terible ownership and we will be right their with the bobcats at the bottom next year.
you will all know but im off to watch it 
Sigh...
I guess I have no choice but to allow people to continue spewing that IT only started for a ROY campaign because no matter that it makes no sense, I see people saying it time and time again. It's just as ridiculous as people who say the lottery is fixed or if someone were to say that the reason Tyreke got the ball his rookie year was only to get 20/5/5. Nevermind the fact that IT was easily our most efficient player offensively, our best passer, and our best defender at the PG position. Nevermind the fact that the offense improved greatly after he became the starter and the point differential increased dramatically from close to -10 to around -3. Instead, it HAS to be that the Maloofs were trying to create some WWE storyline where IT would be a ROY contender.
Maybe you should think about complaining that Tyreke should have stayed at SG next to IT and Thornton moved to the bench, but there is no way IT did not earn that starting position. Please cut the conspiracy theories.
I guess I have no choice but to allow people to continue spewing that IT only started for a ROY campaign because no matter that it makes no sense, I see people saying it time and time again. It's just as ridiculous as people who say the lottery is fixed or if someone were to say that the reason Tyreke got the ball his rookie year was only to get 20/5/5. Nevermind the fact that IT was easily our most efficient player offensively, our best passer, and our best defender at the PG position. Nevermind the fact that the offense improved greatly after he became the starter and the point differential increased dramatically from close to -10 to around -3. Instead, it HAS to be that the Maloofs were trying to create some WWE storyline where IT would be a ROY contender.
Maybe you should think about complaining that Tyreke should have stayed at SG next to IT and Thornton moved to the bench, but there is no way IT did not earn that starting position. Please cut the conspiracy theories.
