Draft Thread

wazzups

wazzups

Bench
#511
#511
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Soooo...we were going to draft our franchise SF with that 2nd rnd pick??
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All I have to say is that there is a fanbase here that is basketball wise....even if tonight was good the basketball wise fan has to make sure that people know the Maloofs need to sell.......We want other people that are not Kings fans to see that....its important LOL
selling a player pick whatever shows again they need to sell not that they are giving up IT or anything
 
rainmaker

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#512
#512
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Soooo...we were going to draft our franchise SF with that 2nd rnd pick??
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The Bulls got their championship SF in Kukoc in the 2nd round. Also got their PF in Rodman in the 2nd round.

Would SA be better without Manu?

Mem without Gasol?

Would you rather the Maloofs sold last years #60 pick?

Not sure I see your point. A 2nd rounder is non-guaranteed.
 
Sac.Kings

Sac.Kings

All-Star
#513
#513
Well Robinson was certainly a good pick for the position we were in.. definitely did not see MKG going #2. As for the second round pick, I was not surprised in the least to see us trade it for cash. Maloofs.. are so desperate. I honestly wonder what went through Stern's head when he found out we traded a pick for cash. Here is hoping to a much more successful season than the past half decade we have seen. The talent is here can we just please develop it for once?
 
Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

All-Star
#514
#514
jcwkings said:
I don't really care about selling the 2nd round pick. He have way too much young talent to begin with. Cousins, Evans, Robinson, Isaiah, Jimmer, Honeycutt, Whiteside are all young players that still need developing. It's time to surround these guys with legit NBA vets that will help them grow, yet still contribute.
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Exactly! I think we could score Batum or Wallace...or someone else good via trade.
 
K

kingsfan101

Starter
#515
#515
Prince_XY said:
I don't know what's wrong with selling that pick when we still have too many players to develop and not too many minutes to give them. It is not as if those players left are surefire NBA-caliber players.

Ant to those who keeps on blaming the Maloofs on whatever they do to save money, I hope what is happening to the Maloofs family does not happen to your family.
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If we thought we needn't draft any young players, we could have
  1. Selected some overseas player who could have come over later
  2. Traded the pick for a future pick
  3. Traded the pick for some veteran help

Trading for cash is a financial move, which shall certainly not endear the owners to the fan. It's their business and their money, so yes, they have a right to decide how to run it. But for fans who emotionally (and financially) invest in the team, it's certainly not a pleasant scenario.
 
Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

All-Star
#517
#517
rainmaker said:
The Bulls got their championship SF in Kukoc in the 2nd round. Also got their PF in Rodman in the 2nd round.

Would SA be better without Manu?

Mem without Gasol?

Would you rather the Maloofs sold last years #60 pick?

Not sure I see your point. A 2nd rounder is non-guaranteed.
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Ok ok, I get it, you can find a diamond in the rough in rnd 2, but I'm still not getting upset or losing sleep over selling a 2nd rnd pick. I can't stand the family Maloof and their broke behinds as much as the next fan, but nope...still not getting upset, we DID get our franchise PF.
 
rainmaker

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#518
#518
I'll post it here as well.

Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones
Petrie said Jason Thompson remains the top proiorty for the Kings in free agency.
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Seems Petrie has given up on a defensive big, which is key as we need an intimidator backing up TRob/Cuz.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#521
#521
DerekJ said:
Whiteside is a better defensive big than any prospect in this draft.
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While I won't go that far, I will say that I found it odd that people were jumping on the Henson bandwagon despite us already having a taller, stronger (albeit, less intelligent) version of him on the roster.
 
twslam07

twslam07

All-Star
#522
#522
If we end up with a lineup like this going into the season. I'll be a happy camper.

Evans/Thomas/Fredette
T. Williams/Garcia
Starting SF/Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Thompson/Robinson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

Obviously Thornton is the one who would be traded for our starting SF. If we can include any of our "junk" players (Hayes, Outlaw, Honeycutt, Garcia, or Fredette) to make a deal work then great. The only reason I don't include Salmons is because Thornton and his salary would equal around 15 mil and I'm not sure if the talent level we would be investing would be enough to acquire a 15 mil talent.

Cousins, Thompson, Robinson, and Whiteside can be a very good big man rotation for the future. Evans and Williams would be a solid start to a great perimeter defense, and Thomas would be a good presence off the bench providing energy, scoring, and playmaking.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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#523
Hoovtrain said:
Bullsh*t Brick. The guy is the best in the biz when it comes to making players around him better; shooters, non shooters, finishers, non finishers, etc. Reke would learn to move without the ball or he would learn to shoot. Ridiculous that we are now discussing him (along with pretty much everyone else)being a bad fit with Reke. Is there anyone you feel would be a good fit with Reke or Cousins?
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Sure, Derek Fisher, Mario Chalmers, Steve Blake, Kirk Hinrich, George Hill, heck, Beno wasn't a bad example of the breed, etc. I seriously don't know what you guys are seeing when you watch other teams. If you don't understand that very basic dynamic of ball dominant vs. non ball dominant then the league's construction just must not make very much sense to you. Why does that team play that guy? He's no good at all! Well yeah, that's kind of the point.

As far as Cousins? I assume you are not referring to PGs there, as Cuz could work very well with a top PG. He just doesn't particualry need one anymore than Ewing, Hakeem, Admiral or anybody else did. Give him the ball, clear out.

So what? Are you going to join the confused about shotblocking crew? Why would you do that? Again, the league can't make much sense if you don't understand that trait's overriding importance. How can you possibly explain Joel Anthony's continued employment or DeAndre Jordan's contract wihtout understanding what teams are getting out of them that they value so much? Just very odd.

Cousins BTW presents a real challenge because of his defensive limitations. He absolutely is going to be your guy, your stud. But he's probably best suited to the center spot, and he can't lock it down defensively the way so many of the great centers of the past could. So now you have a VERY obvious fit need next to him, but a pretty rare one. The great shotblocking PF, rather than center. Or great shotblocking/intimidating mobile center in the twin towers look. Daly fit. Ibaka would fit. McGee could fit if he had a brain, but he doesn't. Chandler could fit. Noah could fit. Its tough. The standard great center wingman is a strong man defending strong rebounding tough guy PF with a faceup jumper for spacing. Udonis Haslem, PJ Brown, Charles Oakley etc. But Cousins' lack of interior intimidation adds a tough extra requirment that makes his best fits a rare breed. BTW, another name: Andrei Kirilenko -- nearly unique force that can cover for non-shotblockig centers from the SF spot.
 
K

KingsCitizen

Starter
#524
#524
Well I do hope that Whiteside will earn consistent minutes being the only legit defensive big we have. SacBee should do an interview with our big man coach on how Whiteside is progressing so far. This could stop my nightmares of probably seeing Smart running that small ball with Hayes and TRob down low.
 
Gary

Gary

All-Star
#525
#525
twslam07 said:
If we end up with a lineup like this going into the season. I'll be a happy camper.

Evans/Thomas/Fredette
T. Williams/Garcia
Starting SF/Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Thompson/Robinson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

Obviously Thornton is the one who would be traded for our starting SF. If we can include any of our "junk" players (Hayes, Outlaw, Honeycutt, Garcia, or Fredette) to make a deal work then great. The only reason I don't include Salmons is because Thornton and his salary would equal around 15 mil and I'm not sure if the talent level we would be investing would be enough to acquire a 15 mil talent.

Cousins, Thompson, Robinson, and Whiteside can be a very good big man rotation for the future. Evans and Williams would be a solid start to a great perimeter defense, and Thomas would be a good presence off the bench providing energy, scoring, and playmaking.
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Why not just go with
IT
Evans
Williams
Thompson
Cousins

I would rather start with that five than what you have because when you put Evans at PG you create a hole at SF. There is no need to when you have a quality PG that can start. This team has the potential to be a lot better defensively than what we saw last year with players out of position and such.
 
Gary

Gary

All-Star
#526
#526
Bricklayer said:
Sure, Derek Fisher, Mario Chalmers, Steve Blake, Kirk Hinrich, George Hill, heck, Beno wasn't a bad example of the breed, etc. I seriously don't know what you guys are seeing when you watch other teams. If you don't understand that very basic dynamic of ball dominant vs. non ball dominant then the league's construction just must not make very much sense to you. Why does that team play that guy? He's no good at all! Well yeah, that's kind of the point.
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ehhhhhhh...

Most of those players aren't ball dominant for a reason. They have better players around them that can handle the ball just fine. I think there is confusion between ball dominant PGs and PGs that would rather take the shot themselves than pass the ball.

I usually use the term pass first or shoot first.. Evans is a shoot first guard and Nash is a pass first guard. Both are ball dominant because they play a position where they have the ball the most. But in those 24 seconds I trust that Nash could do a lot more with the ball than Evans could.
 
Hoovtrain

Hoovtrain

All-Star
#527
#527
Bricklayer said:
Sure, Derek Fisher, Mario Chalmers, Steve Blake, Kirk Hinrich, George Hill, heck, Beno wasn't a bad example of the breed, etc. I seriously don't know what you guys are seeing when you watch other teams. If you don't understand that very basic dynamic of ball dominant vs. non ball dominant then the league's construction just must not make very much sense to you. Why does that team play that guy? He's no good at all! Well yeah, that's kind of the point.

As far as Cousins? I assume you are not referring to PGs there, as Cuz could work very well with a top PG. He just doesn't particualry need one anymore than Ewing, Hakeem, Admiral or anybody else did. Give him the ball, clear out.

So what? Are you going to join the confused about shotblocking crew? Why would you do that? Again, the league can't make much sense if you don't understand that trait's overriding importance. How can you possibly explain Joel Anthony's continued employment or DeAndre Jordan's contract wihtout understanding what teams are getting out of them that they value so much? Just very odd.

Cousins BTW presents a real challenge because of his defensive limitations. He absolutely is going to be your guy, your stud. But he's probably best suited to the center spot, and he can't lock it down defensively the way so many of the great centers of the past could. So now you have a VERY obvious fit need next to him, but a pretty rare one. The great shotblocking PF, rather than center. Or great shotblocking/intimidating mobile center in the twin towers look. Daly fit. Ibaka would fit. McGee could fit if he had a brain, but he doesn't. Chandler could fit. Noah could fit. Its tough. The standard great center wingman is a strong man defending strong rebounding tough guy PF with a faceup jumper for spacing. Udonis Haslem, PJ Brown, Charles Oakley etc. But Cousins' lack of interior intimidation adds a tough extra requirment that makes his best fits a rare breed. BTW, another name: Andrei Kirilenko -- nearly unique force that can cover for non-shotblockig centers from the SF spot.
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Lol. You are right. I would much rather have the above mentioned players alongside Reke than the "ball dominant " Nash. So silly. I must have forgotten that Reke only requires the same running mates as the likes of Kobe, Wade etc.
Big difference between Cousins and Ewing, Hakeem and the Admiral. Those guys came in and immediately turned their teams into contenders. I love Cousins, but i havent seen that "give him the ball and clear out " dominance you speak of just yet. Flashes, but that is it. I must have missed the memo when DMC graduated into that class.
 
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Section 101

Section 101

All-Star
#528
#528
Gary said:
Why not just go with
IT
Evans
Williams
Thompson
Cousins

I would rather start with that five than what you have because when you put Evans at PG you create a hole at SF. There is no need to when you have a quality PG that can start. This team has the potential to be a lot better defensively than what we saw last year with players out of position and such.
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Unless Salmons/Outlaw or Honeycutt step up in training camp then Evans will be the starting SF.
 
steelevt

steelevt

All-Star
#530
#530
Prince_XY said:
I don't know what's wrong with selling that pick when we still have too many players to develop and not too many minutes to give them. It is not as if those players left are surefire NBA-caliber players.

Ant to those who keeps on blaming the Maloofs on whatever they do to save money, I hope what is happening to the Maloofs family does not happen to your family.
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normally selling the pick isnt that big a deal when you have a full team and cant take another player or you are near the salary cap. kings stay near the minimum and i believe have 11 players signed for next season. so at this point most of us are upset because we know the real reason why it was sold. what smart teams would do would draft a player overseas and stash him away for the future. the greek player the knicks drafted would have been a good candidate. or maybe trade the pick for a future pick. its not like this is the 55th pick, its an early second round pick where we could have drafted a first round talent that had risks.

by the way, im offended that you hope my family would never have an asset worth hundreds of millions of dollars that we could sell any day we wanted because there are multiple potential buyers.
 
rainmaker

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#531
#531
Hoovtrain said:
Lol. You are right. I would much rather have the above mentioned players alongside Reke than the "ball dominant " Nash. So silly. I must have forgotten that Reke only requires the same running mates as the likes of Kobe, Wade etc.
Big difference between Cousins and Ewing, Hakeem and the Admiral. Those guys came in and immediately turned their teams into contenders. I love Cousins, but i havent seen that "give him the ball and clear out " dominance you speak of just yet. Flashes, but that is it. I must have missed the memo when DMC graduated into that class.
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Name the successful teams with two ball dominant guards where they both excel.
 
Heuge

Heuge

Starter
#534
#534
Gary said:
Why not just go with
IT
Evans
Williams
Thompson
Cousins

I would rather start with that five than what you have because when you put Evans at PG you create a hole at SF. There is no need to when you have a quality PG that can start. This team has the potential to be a lot better defensively than what we saw last year with players out of position and such.
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Im thinking he agrees with many that IT is not a NBA starting point guard but an excellent bench guy.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#535
#535
Hoovtrain said:
Lol. You are right. I would much rather have the above mentioned players alongside Reke than the "ball dominant " Nash. So silly. I must have forgotten that Reke only requires the same running mates as the likes of Kobe, Wade etc.
Big difference between Cousins and Ewing, Hakeem and the Admiral. Those guys came in and immediately turned their teams into contenders. I love Cousins, but i havent seen that "give him the ball and clear out " dominance you speak of just yet. Flashes, but that is it. I must have missed the memo when DMC graduated into that class.
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To be fair, Demarcus (19/20) came into the league younger that the Admiral (24), Hakeem (22), and Ewing (23). Add in the fact that the year he was in college was spent as the Robin to Wall's Batman. Once you factor in the fact that his rookie year was spent under a complete and total nincompoop. Last year, once we convinced our wondersquad to pass Cuz the ball, we began to see a player capable of simply taking over games.
 
twslam07

twslam07

All-Star
#537
#537
Gary said:
Why not just go with
IT
Evans
Williams
Thompson
Cousins

I would rather start with that five than what you have because when you put Evans at PG you create a hole at SF. There is no need to when you have a quality PG that can start. This team has the potential to be a lot better defensively than what we saw last year with players out of position and such.
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I like the mismatches we would create with Evans and Williams at the 1 and 2. It automatically makes our team bigger and taller. They are both better defenders than Thomas as well and after trading to get a defensive minded SF I believe the perimeter defense would be extremely solid versus starting Thomas with Evans and Williams. Thomas and Williams would be a little undersized for their position at the 1 and 3. Also considering Evans is 6'5", Williams is 6'6", and the SF we would get would be somewhere between 6'7" - 6'9", it would make it easier to defend on switches which would make us a better defensive team overall.

I see both Thomas and Thornton as sixth men. Thomas because of his height and Thornton because of his lack of defense. Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for Thomas but his height is something he is never going to fix, and as players around the league get more familiar with his game, players will find a way to take advantage of the height advantage.

If worst comes to worst and we don't end up making a trade, I would be fine with the guys we have currently. I'm not sure how Thornton would take to Thomas starting over him though.

Evans, Thornton, Thomas, Williams, Salmons, Thompson, Cousins, and Robinson is a solid 8 man rotation. And the only below average defender would be Thornton. All though the only above average defenders would be Evans, Williams, and Salmons...
 
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