Most Likely Situation: Barnes or Drummond

Barnes or Drummond


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bajaden

Hall of Famer
#91
Peja could not create his own shot either but still made a good career in the NBA. Granted that Peja was a fantastic shooter with some serious range and he was taller.

I do agree with you that he will be a good player and his athletic ability and reportedly strong work ethic will at least ensure that he will be a good defender in the league. Not sure he will ever be a lock down defender but a good defensive player.

His shooting technique is excellent...almost textbook type stuff which should at least make him a good shooter at the next level. He could be around 39-40% from 3 on spot up 3s.

I honestly don't know who I would want with our pick as there is just not a lot there in terms of star quality. Drummond is just too high a risk and could well be more of a chance to bust than make it. Robinson is a nice prospect but I am not sure that he is a star or a great fit next to Cousins.

Beal, I think will make a good pro. His jump shot is exquisite but he is undersized, not off the charts athletically and we also have Thornton on our roster, not to mention too many SGs.

Kidd-Gilchrist I love. His intensity, leadership and defense is what this team desperately needs...but his shooting becomes a problem for us. We need someone to at least be competent but he makes Tyreke look like Ray Allen!

Who would be your preferred choices with pick 5?! We know Davis is a certainty at 1 but how would you rank the rest of the prospects that might be available?
Well first, I don't think we need a star. We need a player that will at worse negate one of our weaknesses, or turn it into a strength. So, with that in mind, I would have Gilchrist first, Barnes second, Robinson third, and Beal fourth. Now if I were ranking them according to just talent, then Beal would move up to second. All of them will be good players, and a couple will probably be stars. By the way, Beal measured out to around 6'5" in shoes, so the undersized label has been dropped. He apparently had a workout in Cleveland against Barnes, and outplayed him. The statement was that Barnes length didn't bother Beal.
 
#92
Well first, I don't think we need a star. We need a player that will at worse negate one of our weaknesses, or turn it into a strength. So, with that in mind, I would have Gilchrist first, Barnes second, Robinson third, and Beal fourth. Now if I were ranking them according to just talent, then Beal would move up to second. All of them will be good players, and a couple will probably be stars. By the way, Beal measured out to around 6'5" in shoes, so the undersized label has been dropped. He apparently had a workout in Cleveland against Barnes, and outplayed him. The statement was that Barnes length didn't bother Beal.


Not good news for those in the mkg dropping camp. A lot of us had scenarios where the wiz draft beal and cavs draft Barnes.
 
#93
If we get Barnes/Beal/Drummond left (heck maybe even MKG), I absolutely offer a #5 + Garcia for Iggy + 15 to Philly, which is something i'm pretty sure they're gonna agree to.

All-World defender, one of the best catch and shoot players in the league for a couple of years now, amazing facilitator, great size.

Iggy is just the best fit at SF to our team. In #15 we can also get a very good player who slips, maybe even a guy like Zeller or who knows Henson.
why would you give up garcia who is an expiring? iggy is not going to make that big of a difference. if we are going to give up a top 5, at least make them eat a contract in the process.

bringing in iggy without dumping salmons will guarantee jt or reke won't be extended or resigned. the simple fact is the magoofs are penny pinching keeping things at minimum salary. at least with garcia expiring contract, maloofs can feel comfortable paying reke/jt while keeping the status quo of the minimum salary. we have 3 dead weight contracts that was acquired last offseason. (hayes, outlaw & salmons) totalling 15 mill give or take for the next 3 flipping years.
 
#94
My interest is warming re: Barnes.

He measured really well at the combine and was #2 overall athletically, which didn't hurt. He just seems ready to contribute and a good fit on both ends of the floor. Good end to end speed, mid range game, and three point range, so he should open up the floor. Seems well equiped to guard traditional SFs with good fundamentals, lateral quickness, court awareness, and length. Also hear that he's a hard worker with a good head on his shoulders. Seems undervalued after a dip in the hype, so I hope the Kings can capitalize.

If we only had good owners, I would love for the Kings to go after Ryan Anderson and retain Thompson and Williams. The Kings would probably be in playoff contention with the following:

Thomas/Fredette/#36
Evans/Thornton
Barnes/Williams/Honeycutt
Anderson/Thompson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

Let Garcia expire for cap relief. Shop Outlaw and Salmons with fingers crossed.

Anyway, with the above starting lineup, the Kings would be quite potent offensively with plenty of shooters to space the floor. Plenty of offensive pop off the bench with Fredette and Thornton. Some holes defensively but Thompson, Hayes, and Whiteside can certainly address some of those issues off the bench. I would hope for a solid 8 man rotation with the starters followed by Thornton, Williams, and Thompson. 10 man rotation includes Fredette and Hayes. #36, Honeycutt, and Whiteside get spot minutes and continue to develop.

Taking a harder look, I would still love a rim protector starting with Cousins, but I'm just not sure that rolling the dice on Drummond or reaching for Henson is the best call for many of the reasons stated above. Barnes is certaintly one of the most polished prospects and that's probably important for this young Kings team.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#95
He measured really well at the combine and was #2 overall athletically, which didn't hurt. He just seems ready to contribute and a good fit on both ends of the floor. Good end to end speed, mid range game, and three point range, so he should open up the floor. Seems well equiped to guard traditional SFs with good fundamentals, lateral quickness, court awareness, and length. Also hear that he's a hard worker with a good head on his shoulders. Seems undervalued after a dip in the hype, so I hope the Kings can capitalize.

If we only had good owners, I would love for the Kings to go after Ryan Anderson and retain Thompson and Williams. The Kings would probably be in playoff contention with the following:

Thomas/Fredette/#36
Evans/Thornton
Barnes/Williams/Honeycutt
Anderson/Thompson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

Let Garcia expire for cap relief. Shop Outlaw and Salmons with fingers crossed.

Anyway, with the above starting lineup, the Kings would be quite potent offensively with plenty of shooters to space the floor. Plenty of offensive pop off the bench with Fredette and Thornton. Some holes defensively but Thompson, Hayes, and Whiteside can certainly address some of those issues off the bench. I would hope for a solid 8 man rotation with the starters followed by Thornton, Williams, and Thompson. 10 man rotation includes Fredette and Hayes. #36, Honeycutt, and Whiteside get spot minutes and continue to develop.

Taking a harder look, I would still love a rim protector starting with Cousins, but I'm just not sure that rolling the dice on Drummond or reaching for Henson is the best call for many of the reasons stated above. Barnes is certaintly one of the most polished prospects and that's probably important for this young Kings team.
That team goes absolutely nowhere.

You can NOT add more offensive minded players to this Kings team. Just can't. If you do, you have absolutly no choice but to get rid of the old ones. And we were the worst defensive team in the league last year. Any offseason that does nto see us add MULTIPLE strong defensive players is a catastrophe.

Two teams are playing in the NBA Finals right now. How many offensive minded players do the Thunder have? How about the Heat? What do all the other guys do? That's what all of our other guys need to do as well. Since there is only one basketball, there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having 10 guys who all want it.
 
#96
Well first, I don't think we need a star. We need a player that will at worse negate one of our weaknesses, or turn it into a strength. So, with that in mind, I would have Gilchrist first, Barnes second, Robinson third, and Beal fourth. Now if I were ranking them according to just talent, then Beal would move up to second. All of them will be good players, and a couple will probably be stars. By the way, Beal measured out to around 6'5" in shoes, so the undersized label has been dropped. He apparently had a workout in Cleveland against Barnes, and outplayed him. The statement was that Barnes length didn't bother Beal.
I'm totally on the Beal bandwagon. I've rewatched some of his games and I just get that feeling he's going to be a star in this league. He makes the game look so effortless on offense and has the range/athleticism to be a major scorer in the NBA. What excites me most about him is how hard he plays on both ends. Grabbing 6.7 boards a game as a 2 guard shows immense effort on his part and I loved how he became a much stronger defender later in the year. I stick by my comparison of him being a Ray Allen/ Manu/Harden type of player in this league very quickly.

Unfortunately, he won't be there at 5 and even if he was, we wouldn't take him unless we had a deal for Marcus or Reke in the works. But I absolutely would love his fit with Cousins as a #2 option and he has the type of game that fits perfectly with any type of back-court mate you give him
 
#97
That team goes absolutely nowhere.

You can NOT add more offensive minded players to this Kings team. Just can't. If you do, you have absolutly no choice but to get rid of the old ones. And we were the worst defensive team in the league last year. Any offseason that does nto see us add MULTIPLE strong defensive players is a catastrophe.

Two teams are playing in the NBA Finals right now. How many offensive minded players do the Thunder have? How about the Heat? What do all the other guys do? That's what all of our other guys need to do as well. Since there is only one basketball, there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having 10 guys who all want it.
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. Barnes is a defensive upgrade at the 3. Anderson and Thompson are basically equivalent defensively. And neither addition demands the ball, they play off the ball and can help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins. If we compare the Kings to the Thunder and Heat, they will come up short 10 times out of 10 no matter what offseason changes are made.
 
#98
I'm totally on the Beal bandwagon. I've rewatched some of his games and I just get that feeling he's going to be a star in this league. He makes the game look so effortless on offense and has the range/athleticism to be a major scorer in the NBA. What excites me most about him is how hard he plays on both ends. Grabbing 6.7 boards a game as a 2 guard shows immense effort on his part and I loved how he became a much stronger defender later in the year. I stick by my comparison of him being a Ray Allen/ Manu/Harden type of player in this league very quickly.

Unfortunately, he won't be there at 5 and even if he was, we wouldn't take him unless we had a deal for Marcus or Reke in the works. But I absolutely would love his fit with Cousins as a #2 option and he has the type of game that fits perfectly with any type of back-court mate you give him
I agree... Beal is the 2nd best prospect in this draft although probably not the 2nd best player for us. If I'm Charlotte though that's who I'm taking.
 
#99
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. Barnes is a defensive upgrade at the 3. Anderson and Thompson are basically equivalent defensively. And neither addition demands the ball, they play off the ball and can help spread the floor for Evans and Cousins. If we compare the Kings to the Thunder and Heat, they will come up short 10 times out of 10 no matter what offseason changes are made.
Agreed. The Thunder have no one to score in the post so maybe forced to compare us to the Heat. Cousins > Bosh but that's about it. You can say that Tyreke is our Wade but then who's Lebron? Thornton, lol?!? We need another stud for sure... maybe we get lucky and Barnes ends up living up to his #1 overall recruit out of hs status and develops into a Paul Pierce type of 3 for us. Or maybe Beal slips to us and he develops into a Ray Allen. Regardless we are not at the point where we should only be looking at complimentary role players... far from it actually.
 
If we give up any three of these five, don't we get a player that can really help us? Drummond, Barnes, Beal, MKG, Robinson. Looks good for the 28th.
 
This question has been asked in different forms, and I am sure will be asked in different forms again several more times before the draft. My stance hasn't changed -- Drummond is PERFECT for this team...or he's not. I default to "on" for him and the dream of having the best frontcourt in the NBA for the next 15 years. But if he comes in and does not impress in workouts and interviews I'm willing to be dissuaded.
For some reason, every time I see Drummond and his 'potential' I see Duane Causewell...and that obviously scares me