I'm starting to think Perry Jones has a chance at nabbing a top 5 spot. He could look really impressive in workouts if he's focused and motivated and he's got as much upside as anyone in this draft. I mean, Vesely and Valanciunas went 5-6 last year and Jones is a better overall prospect than them isn't he? Even with the inconsistency at Baylor. If Robinson and/or Beal come in undersized and Drummond doesn't blow people away I can see Jones sneaking in there. Risky of course, but he's a good character guy as well.
Projecting the first 5 picks:
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1. NEW ORLEANS: Davis - No brainer
2. CHARLOTTE: Robinson - The Bobcats don't have any rebounding. Robinson can come in and be their big for the future.
3. WASHINGTON: MKG - Almost a no brainer after Charlotte takes Robinson. They need a good defensive SF, and MKG is the guy.
4. CLEVELAND: Beal - They need an elite level SG to play next to Irving, and Beal could definitely be that "go to" shooter.
5. SACRAMENTO: Barnes - We need a SF that can shoot who does not hold the ball and try to create his shot. We need a spot up "bail out" shooter and Barnes can, and will be that man.
2. CHARLOTTE: Robinson - The Bobcats don't have any rebounding. Robinson can come in and be their big for the future.
3. WASHINGTON: MKG - Almost a no brainer after Charlotte takes Robinson. They need a good defensive SF, and MKG is the guy.
4. CLEVELAND: Beal - They need an elite level SG to play next to Irving, and Beal could definitely be that "go to" shooter.
5. SACRAMENTO: Barnes - We need a SF that can shoot who does not hold the ball and try to create his shot. We need a spot up "bail out" shooter and Barnes can, and will be that man.
I stay as far as possible from athletes with no fire -- it's something that's hard if not impossible to develop after you leave college and sign your first 7-figure contract. PJ screams Lamar Odom to me, and that's best case scenario IMO. Took Odom years to figure it out, and even then was enigmatic on the Lakers.
Huge need for us in the form of a defensive PF or a glue guy at SF, he's not either, so I hope when you say top 5 it doesn't turn out to be us. Wouldn't mind Terrence Jones if he shows the ability to play the 3 during work outs though.
Dream scenario, and I wouldn't even call that a choice. If MKG falls to you, it's a no-brainer, especially with the selfish make-up of our team. He and a slowly maturing Cousins (this will happen if not already) would take the sh***y me-first cluelessness of our team and strangle it by the neck. In a good way, not a Spreewell way.
Huge need for us in the form of a defensive PF or a glue guy at SF, he's not either, so I hope when you say top 5 it doesn't turn out to be us. Wouldn't mind Terrence Jones if he shows the ability to play the 3 during work outs though.
Dream scenario, and I wouldn't even call that a choice. If MKG falls to you, it's a no-brainer, especially with the selfish make-up of our team. He and a slowly maturing Cousins (this will happen if not already) would take the sh***y me-first cluelessness of our team and strangle it by the neck. In a good way, not a Spreewell way.
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I just keep asking myself: Will the Bobs really be happy with MKG, a defensive all-around glue guy? Really? When their team was absolutely pathetic at shooting the ball last year? Can they really seeing him upgrade their team a lot from last year? I just don't see it. I just don't see them happy without somebody who can really score the ball. Kemba Walker isn't there yet as far as his shooting ability. In essence, they are adding another Kemba Walker type, a good athlete with good character who is going to take some time to get his shot. Do they want to revisit the same bad scene with MKG? At the end of the day, I think MKG is going to be very difficult for them to swallow, even if they think he's a very good player. So that's why I would anticipate the Bobs taking Beale. The Wizards probably aren't happy with their 3, but they have to ask, how exactly does MKG upgrade over Singleton, a good athlete and good defensive player? I can easily see Barnes at this pick.
Looks as if he'll be a bit undersized, but if his wingspan is 7'3 then a lot will depend on his standing reach.
He's got really wide shoulders, so it may be one of those things where the wingspan is great but the standing reach doesn't quite translate.
If he has a great standing reach, then his being slightly undersized (when measuring the top of his head) isn't going to be a big deal.
Just for comparison:
Blake Griffin
Height in Shoes: 6'10
Wingspan: 6' 11.25
Standing Reach: 8'9
No Step Vert Reach: 11'5
Max Reach Vertical: 11'8.5
Again, I don't think he's the perfect style fit next to Cousins, but is in the tier just below being a potential monster rebounder and hustler who plays with extreme physicality. If his standing reach is greater than Griffins and if he posts anywhere near the vertical reach of Griffin, he probably won't slip all the way down to 5.
He's got really wide shoulders, so it may be one of those things where the wingspan is great but the standing reach doesn't quite translate.
If he has a great standing reach, then his being slightly undersized (when measuring the top of his head) isn't going to be a big deal.
Just for comparison:
Blake Griffin
Height in Shoes: 6'10
Wingspan: 6' 11.25
Standing Reach: 8'9
No Step Vert Reach: 11'5
Max Reach Vertical: 11'8.5
Again, I don't think he's the perfect style fit next to Cousins, but is in the tier just below being a potential monster rebounder and hustler who plays with extreme physicality. If his standing reach is greater than Griffins and if he posts anywhere near the vertical reach of Griffin, he probably won't slip all the way down to 5.
Heard results released tomorrow. Measurements today. Athletic testing tomorrow?
The info above was supposedly directly from TR after his measurements in an interview. Lots of other player measurements leaking out as well:
in shoes:
Beal 6'4"
Crowder 6'7"
Sullinger 6'9" (not going to help him)
Rivers 6'5" (should help him)
The info above was supposedly directly from TR after his measurements in an interview. Lots of other player measurements leaking out as well:
in shoes:
Beal 6'4"
Crowder 6'7"
Sullinger 6'9" (not going to help him)
Rivers 6'5" (should help him)
Found the source: Jeff Goodman, CBS Sports:
http://twitter.com/#!/GoodmanCBS
http://twitter.com/#!/GoodmanCBS
If both Robinson and Kidd-Gilchrist measure out smaller than expected, I'd be more inclined to take the chance on Robinson than MKG. Robinson strikes me as a "Barkley" type that will always play bigger than his size. If his reach is really what is being reported, then I'm less concerned about his height. Not only that, not many in this draft, if any, have a better motor or more desire.
You're missing the point. If MKG measures out smaller, he then is not a 3 in the NBA and is, instead, a 2. If Robinson measures out smaller, then I agree .. he may then be undersized for the 4. However, I believe he could be played at the 3. This possibility was discussed in the "Henson" thread. Robinson already has some skills that translate to the 3 and certainly has the potential to develop some others.
Point is, if the choice was solely between the two players, I'd rather gamble on a 6'7", 6'8" Robinson developing into a 3 than a 6'5", 6'6" MKG, who will only be able to play the same position as Tyreke Evans and Marcus Thornton.
That said, I certainly wouldn't argue if your opinion is that the Kings should avoid both players given the above circumstance and select someone else.
Point is, if the choice was solely between the two players, I'd rather gamble on a 6'7", 6'8" Robinson developing into a 3 than a 6'5", 6'6" MKG, who will only be able to play the same position as Tyreke Evans and Marcus Thornton.
That said, I certainly wouldn't argue if your opinion is that the Kings should avoid both players given the above circumstance and select someone else.
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One more thought ... I think many are a bit too hung up on height, especially as it relates to post players, and overlook other aspects such as a players frame and standing reach. For example, Hakeem Olajuwon is not 7 foot tall. He is around 6'10" but was listed at 7 foot due to his standing reach. Charles Barkley is somewhere around 6'6", but has long arms and a WIDE frame. DeMarcus Cousins is closer to 6'9 than 6'11", but also has outstanding reach and a WIDE body. Kevin Love is practically the prime example of a post player that doesn't have exceptional height (I think around 6'8" ??), but his wide frame and long arms make up for it. If one player is 6'9" and another is 6"7" yet they have the same standing reach, how does the 2" difference in height matter? Last I checked, they don't rebound the ball with the top of their head. 
Point is, if Thomas Robinson is 6'8" but with a 7'3" wingspan and the strong, wide body that he has .. he really isn't at all undersized for a PF.
Point is, if Thomas Robinson is 6'8" but with a 7'3" wingspan and the strong, wide body that he has .. he really isn't at all undersized for a PF.