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rhythmless

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The Hammer said:
We're 1-9 in our last ten. You can't ask for more tankage than that. Be happy.
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Huh?

We beat Charlotte recently and we beat Portland by the game winner I just mentioned. We're 2-8 in last 10, and we would have been 1-9 if MT didn't hit it. Then I would have been happy, like I just said.

And you can ask for more tankage. The Kings aren't tanking at all. We're playing our starters, we're throwing it into Cuz, he's mostly been destroying everything in his path. IT has been effective, etc. MT was going off until this recent rash of (real) injuries. TW has been playing for his basketball life. We're playing our guys heavy minutes and we are not taking Cousins/Reke/IT out for "knee soreness" or "groin pull." You think we're tanking? We're just sucking.
 
Anthony1

Anthony1

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I'd say the chances of us beating the Lakers is REAL good, which is REAL bad for our hopes to land Davis or MKG.


Lakers will be resting their players, won't have Metta, and we will be at home in front of our rowdy fans in the final game of the year. Lakers will try till about mid 3rd quarter, and then they'll start thinking about their upcoming playoff series. I think we ultimately end up with the 5th most ping-pong balls. Hopefully I'm wrong and we somehow amazingly end up with the 3rd most balls. That would be awesome...
 
VF21

VF21

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Kings Faithful said:
I generally fall within this group....however a top 3 pick is incredibly appealing.
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I still don't understand this reasoning, for the simple reason that the worst team doesn't get the first pick most of the time. Yes, a top three pick is incredibly appealing but there's absolutely no guarantee that having the third worst record would even put us in the top 3.
 
VF21

VF21

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rhythmless said:
I would lose to the Lakers in a meaningless regular season game if it meant a better opportunity to beat them to high hell in a playoff series.
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The last game of the season is never meaningless, especially to the people who actually attend. It's always high energy and emotional. Facing the Lakers makes it more so. What will be will be as far as the draft. With our record of perpetually seeing what should have been "our" high draft pick go to a team with a better season, I'm content to do everything possible to BEAT LA and let the ping pong balls fall where they may... And that reminds me. I have to go start a thread. :)
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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Capt. Factorial said:
Oddly enough, the only way we can end up NOT in a tie is if we lose, the Hornets win, and Cleveland wins at least one, where we take 3rd place by ourselves. Otherwise, we'll end up tied 3/4, 3/4/5, 3/4/5/6, 4/5/6, or 5/6.
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Ha! There's no point in even denying that Capt. Factorial had a massive statgasm figuring all those possibilities out. :)
 
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Boogie-havoc

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Great Lin last night. scared me to hell before and during the game, but we pulled out the Lin.

Now let's make more last final push and move tanknation passed the finish line with style, having the sole position of the 3rd worst record.

We gotta Lin this last one - sadly the Fakers are officially a 3rd seed, without Ron-Ron and prolly resting Bynum and Gasol.

The only thing working to our favor here is Kobe - he's neck and neck with Kevin Durant for that scoring title, he'll prolly need to drop 40 orso to steal this one from him(considering KD goes for 30 their last game in Denver).

Hopefully he gets the W and takes the Lakers on his back - but falls short 1 point away from the scoring title missing a free throw 0.3 seconds left in the game.
 
twslam07

twslam07

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If we end up losing to the Lakers there is no way cleveland could catch us because they have the head to head tiebreaker over us. "Unfortunately" we have the head to head tiebreaker over the hornets so we would need them to beat houston to flat out get a better record than us to claim that 3rd spot.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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twslam07 said:
If we end up losing to the Lakers there is no way cleveland could catch us because they have the head to head tiebreaker over us. "Unfortunately" we have the head to head tiebreaker over the hornets so we would need them to beat houston to flat out get a better record than us to claim that 3rd spot.
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Those tie-breakers are used for playoff seeding, but for lottery spots they just flip a coin at the end of the session for all the teams that finish with the same record and divide the ping-pong balls evenly between. We still need Cleveland to beat Washington (and us to lose tomorrow as well) to guarantee us a bottom 4 finish.
 
twslam07

twslam07

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hrdboild said:
Those tie-breakers are used for playoff seeding, but for lottery spots they just flip a coin at the end of the session for all the teams that finish with the same record and divide the ping-pong balls evenly between. We still need Cleveland to beat Washington (and us to lose tomorrow as well) to guarantee us a bottom 4 finish.
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Oh okay. I didn't know that. Thanks!
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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Cleveland lost tonight in what should presumably have been the more winnable of their final two games, leaving a tight, tight race for the 3/4/5/6 slots.

Tomorrow we've got one of the last two games of the night, so we ought to know about where we stand by tipoff. None of tomorrow's interesting games have any playoff implications, so it's anybody's guess how things go. New Orleans goes to Houston, the Cavs go to Chicago, we host the Lakers, and the Nets go to Toronto. No matter what happens tomorrow, expect a coin flip on Friday before we know where we slot in.

Kings record: 21-44
Kings max wins: 22
Possible lottery position: 3-t5/6
Minimum lottery combos: 75
Possible draft range: 1-9
Current Competition (teams in red will finish below us):
1. Charlotte Bobcats (7-58)
2. Washington Wizards (19-46)
t3. Sacramento Kings (21-44, vs LAL)
t3. New Orleans Hornets (21-44, @HOU)
t3. Cleveland Cavaliers (21-44, @CHI)
t6. Toronto Raptors (22-43, vs NJN)
t6. New Jersey Nets (22-43, @TOR)
 
Anthony1

Anthony1

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Again.... I'm pretty sure the 9th overall pick is our worst possible scenario, and I think Terrence Jones might be a slight reach at 9, but if Geoff Petrie has any sense whatsoever, he'll gladly snag him at 9 overall, so there are really no worries.
 
Kings Faithful

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Anthony1 said:
Again.... I'm pretty sure the 9th overall pick is our worst possible scenario, and I think Terrence Jones might be a slight reach at 9, but if Geoff Petrie has any sense whatsoever, he'll gladly snag him at 9 overall, so there are really no worries.
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I feel like the worst possible scenario is the only scenario in our case.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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This makes for a toughie.

The Lakers, with nothing to play for...but Kobe Braynt, needing 38pts to win another scoring crown...against the worst defense in the NBA. Meanwhile we, facing our archrivals, suffering through a dismal second half of the season, could lose as many as 4 slots in the draft by winning.

Personally I think I go for 1) lose to the Lakers, but 2) keep Kobe from his 38, call it some sort of accomplishment, and go get one last talented kid.
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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Anthony1 said:
Again.... I'm pretty sure the 9th overall pick is our worst possible scenario, and I think Terrence Jones might be a slight reach at 9, but if Geoff Petrie has any sense whatsoever, he'll gladly snag him at 9 overall, so there are really no worries.
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9th is mathematically possible, but it would take bad luck even far more catastrophic than our typical bad luck to get there. First we have to get into a tie for 6th. If we assume every game tomorrow is 50/50 (close enough for our purposes), and take the tiebreaker coinflips into account...I'll spare you the math, but there's only an 18% chance we slot into 6th. From there there's only a 0.1% chance of dropping all the way to ninth, so about 18 in 100,000 overall of dropping to 9th.
 
Mass

Mass

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Capt. Factorial said:
9th is mathematically possible, but it would take bad luck even far more catastrophic than our typical bad luck to get there. First we have to get into a tie for 6th. If we assume every game tomorrow is 50/50 (close enough for our purposes), and take the tiebreaker coinflips into account...I'll spare you the math, but there's only an 18% chance we slot into 6th. From there there's only a 0.1% chance of dropping all the way to ninth, so about 18 in 100,000 overall of dropping to 9th.
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More than enough for the Sacramento Kings!
 
D13

D13

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The Kings will be complete fools to go for winning the LA game. Brown said Lakers are resting all starters except Kobe (we know why). It'd be a win over their scrubs. Who cares??? Jimmer, Donte, Honeycutt, Outlaw, Chuck should be our starting 5.
 
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