[Grades] Grades v. Wolves 2/7/12

Who was the King of Fugly tongiht?

  • John Dribble Dribble Dribble Chuck! Salmons

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Jason What the Hell Was I Thinking Thompson

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • DeMarcus I Just Got My *** Kicked By Who? Cousins

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Tyreke Dead Legs Evans

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Chuck I Used This Move in Junior High Hayes

    Votes: 17 39.5%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
FUGLY!

The refs did us no favors, but this particular wound was self inflicted. So much bad decisionmaking and wrongheadedness. And yet there we were at the end again. That's a good sign really. Just no fun to watch. Maybe all those 40+ minute nights for our main guys finally came home to roost, because they simply did not have anything tonight. The game was completely winnable. We just killed ourselves.

Theme = For the ladies. in celebration of the fugly. All the blowouts have subjected them to many a babe, so I figure the least I could do is show them why they shouldn't bother going gaga over a hot guy. So: Hot Guys, Before and After.

Boxscore


Salmons ( D ) -- has seemingly earned immunity from prosecution by agreeing not to suck for like 3 games ina row last week, but it shoukld be noted that this one looked an awful lot like the games that came before the competence streak. Got nothing out of our set offense at all. Got his only hit of the night on a long jumper on a called play out of the timeout, and then just kept on calling his own number it looked like, and missing everything 1 on 1. The enduring image of this one is of John dribbling, and dribbling, as the rest of the team fades out of his vision, there is the one soft little crossover between his legs that's more for timing than to shake anybody, then inevitably he's going to rock back...and brick it. Even bricked his only two FTs of the night. Played decent defense at times, but we wisely avoided the inevitable Beasley trouncing by subbing in Donte (finally!) instead.

Val Kilmer -- This is what happened to the Iceman when he melted and collected around his middle.

Thompson ( C- ) -- not sure what happened to our solid roleplayer, because for this little roadtrip Jason headed right back to Oz where IT lead the munchkins in a stirring rendition of "If I Only Had A Brain". Some dumb attempts at interior passes, was getting his shoit blocked, anf committing variosu turnovers as he has suddenly tuned back into a pumpkin. Was better to start the third, getting his hands on some balls, moving the ball around. But was still splitting his time between being pushed around by Pekovic, and losing the Wolves various soft little perimeter PFs around the edges. Eventually replaced by a more effective Hickson for the stretch run.

John Travolta -- its not funny John.

Cousins ( D+ ) -- you could see the problems immediately in this one as on the very first play Pekovic walked right through DeMarcus for great post position and Cousins picked up the foul 30 seconds into the game. Immediately exposed multiple problems in this one. First, DeMarcus is a big strong kid, by basketball standards, but Petrovic is something else. If you were going to design a pure power build, and were restricted to the relatviely skinny world of basketball, you might come up with Petrovic. Powerful barrel body, no neck to speak of, arms so stubby probably needs help unzipping himself in the bathroom. And he simply bullied DeMarcus for much of the night, which is an experience which Boogie did not appreciate. The second problem that was exposed on that first play is that the referees were going to ALLOW Petrovic to bully DeMarcus -- something I don't mind at all in theory, but which does not work if you are calling relativly ticky tack fouls on the other guy. So Petrovic ounced DeMarcus around, pushed him under the hoop for post postion, once just lowered hsi shoulder and sent him flying, and nothing. Then the other way DeMarcus got called for relatively minor little chucks. In fact there actually seemed like there might be a little animosity there wiht the refs for some reason. While I didn't mind them not going for the charge calls as there is an element of flop to that play as its executed in the modern NBA, there were a number of other plays where the call seemed fairly obviosu and the refs seemed to be staring right at DeMarcus and saying you deal with it yourself tough guy. Result was Demarcus getting off to a ragged, rushed start, being pinned ot the bench for much fo the first half, and eventually getting frustrated and forcing bad attempts just to get something up. Meanwhile Petrovic was walking right through our defense and scoring at will inside 2 feet. It wasn't until late int eh 4th when we finally saw anything real out of DeMarcus, finally finally getting to the line and hitting 3 of 4 in the last couple of minutes, before completely randomly committing a foul so stupid you jut had to go what?? trying to steal the ball in the open court near midcourt from Ricky Rubio with 35 seconds to go and us down 2? Fortunately Rubio only split the pair and we kept breathing, but...I'm just going to chalk that up to being a little sily from all the blows he had absorbed from Petrovic, but really now. On the final play of the game had a chacne to make up for a long evening full of frustration as he charged down the baseline for a wild spinning mess of a desperate attempt to tie in a 2 point game, decided at the last second to dump it to Hickson who was there in position for the offensive board, saw the ball bounce off Hickson's hands, dquirt out to Donte in the corner for the three to win it...well anyway.

Marlon Brando -- A Streetblimp Named Desire.

Thornton ( B ) -- first King to get going offensively, and really the only Kings starter to have any sort of game, and it was still shaky in spots. We turned the table on Ridnour in the early going (Ridnour lit Marcus up for 25 points last time) posting up Marcus and using his power advantage. Did not stop Ridnour from scoring 8 points of his own in that first quarter again, but it helped get Marcus off to a good start, and Ridnour eventually remembered he was Luke Ridnour this time out and disappeared. For the first three quarters of this one basically the only guy who could score for us, and yet never truly seemed to catch fire. Selfish take on the 3 on 2 break in the final minute of the half turned into a +1 to make it 10. After finally returning after watching the Thomas/Jimmer duo get us back close enough to hope for the final minutes, made a mistake and got called for the foul on Rubio at the 1:30 mark to let the Wolves push it back to 3. Drew the foul taking it to the rim at the 29 second mark and us down 4, but only split the fts so we went into the final 30 seconds still down 3.

Vince Vaughn -- by request. And does not even have age to use as an excuse.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Evans ( D ) -- found Thronton a few times early but just looked a step slow out there all night. Began forcing as things went poorly again, and got the ball poked away by Rubio several times. Playing poorly, but got a couple of tough finishes on the break to go to make it 4. Mutiple 1 on1 1 attempts that ended up just as fading away jumpers off the dribble with no hope. Defense on Rubio was ok. Generally stayed with him and didn't allow excessive to the rim penetration, but Rubio isn't a hard guy to defend really. In fact you kinda want him to be the guy shooting. Was doing a better job cheerleading on the bench as IT/Jimmer/Donte got us back into things late, then came on for the final two minutes as we got serious about trying to pull it off, and drove and dished to Donte for a huge tieing three pointer at the one minute mark. Was anybody's game all of a sudden. Just looked tired -- none of that bounce in his step. Averaging 42min/gm for the previous 5 games may have been catching up to him.

Mickey Rourke -- of course this guy pretty much did it to himself, deciding to take up boxing and gettting his face smushed, and then topping it off with bad reconstructive plastic surgery.

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Bench

Hayes ( D ) -- got overpowered by Pekovic on an early rebounding attempt before setting his feet and battling him out of the paint. Traveled on a pefectly set up wraparound pass from Thomas. Forced stupid shots again, and is beginning to annoy me with that. Being tiny for your positon and offensively incompetent is one thing. But these "attempts" to score anyway are just dumb. And being NOT dumb is supposed to be a key part of the Chuckwagon package. If you have not had the pleasure of seein one of these Chcuk drives/post moves/hopeless flips...don't hurry out looking for one. Be better for him to just never shoot at all (was an old undersized offensively incompetent defensive specialist named Charles Jones who used to routinely have zero FGA 20 years ago. If this is the best the modern Chuck has, he might consider emulating his predesessor).

Arnold Schwarzenegger -- maybe its time for some more roids.

Thomas ( C ) -- played hard out there, but wasn't horribly effective. Outhustled Rubio for a loose ball in the backcourt to start the 2nd quarter, getting the second foul on Rubio in the process Part of the crew that made it close but inability to hit shots from anywhere a big problem (0-5 overall, 0-3 from 3pt land). In fact seemed releuctant to shoot, and when he did tee it up it was out of rhythm. Did a pretty good job setting up Jimmer and Donte in the late run, but not nearly the pop he had the other night.

Oh wait...what was the theme again? Stumbled across this old pic of Denise while I was looking for guys gone fugly, and remembered why I liked it so much the first time I saw it, so I decided what the hell, and added it. Don't tell me you'd prefer another fat old guy.

Hickson ( B- ) -- kind of bumbled his way to first half productivity that inspired no confidence, but at elast put numbers on the board. Forced a coupel fo terrible 1 on 1 shots, the worst of whihc was 20 foot turnaround fallaway jumper...that went in! But also got an alley oop from Jimmer, and was doing pretty good work on the glass. May even have done better against Petrovic than outr other options, as our strength guys were just getting out strengthed in the straight ahead matchup, while JJ at least presented Petrovic with the verticality problem that makes him a 9ppg scorer against everybody but us. Eventually won the second half minutes, and was the main guy inside in the 4th quarter. Not an impact performance, but at least a competent one, which made him ne of the few.

Pierce Brosnan
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
Greene ( B- ) -- let out of 12th man jail to guard Beasley, and I guess so that Cisco wouldn't throw up any more airballs. Missed a corner three. Did a good job hanging around Beasley though and kept him from ever going off, and his defense was part of the comeback in the 4th. The other part was his running the floor and being able to play above the rim, where both Jimmer and Thomas found him. Erratic with his long range shooting again though, and threw in a couple of just really boneheaded plays on offense trying to 1 on 1 things. Always the thing that seems to hold him bakc the most. Got dumb with us down 6 in the midquarter going down and almost forcing the refs to call an offensive foul on him. Had a chance to be the hero again as he hit Reke found him for his only three point hit at the 1:00 mark to tie the game up, and then improbably he, and we, got a chacne to win the game at the buzzer, when down 2 a pass intended for Hickson inside squirted out to DOnte in the corener for the game-winning three... Of course not. But it was right there. And like Jimmer in Utah it would have done wonders for him if he'd hit it. Actually consider how much better our season would be lookign overall. 11-14, winners of 5 of 6 etc.

Russel Crowe from Gladiator to Refridgerator

Fredette ( A- ) -- came in and threw the alley oop to Hickson, one of several nice passes on the night, but badly bricked his early threes. But came on in the 4th for maybe his best stretch of basketball in his young career. Most of his other hot streaks have either been in garbagetime or early in games in a roleplayer role. But for about 6-8 minutes in this one lat ein the game he was legitimately our difference maker. He knocked down 3 threes, he made some good passes to Donte especially running the floor, and he even added in a coupld of steals hopping passing lanes up top, which is not exactly the saem thing as good defense, but nonetheless meant he had an impact on both ends of the floor. There was one play hgihlighting the ongoing pretty boy/softness issues when he got beat fro arebound we had to have and the Wolves scored on the play, but in general this was one fo the first times where he really looked confident and liked he bleonged as he hsot us back into it. Begant o loose steam down the stretch, and after a mistake leaving hsi feet on the pass at the 2:45 mark led near 24 sec violation and essentially a turnover, we went back tot he starters to try to close this out. But Jimmer had done his job, filling the IT role for the night of change of pace guard who provides energy and gets you back into it.

Kevin Federline don't know that even qualified as either a celbrity or hot at any point. Still his rapid morph from dancer into whale was kind of sad before the age of 25.

Garcia ( INC ) -- in to close the half, missd a jumper at the buzzer. But hey, didn't airball it, so progress.
 
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rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#5
Refs took Cousins out of the game. Can't really say anyone had an overall good game considering the first half.

Jimmer was brilliant for a stretch and got us back in the game. IT had moments. Reke didn't play well and Thornton was much, much worse than his numbers suggest.

What really bothered me though, was Hayes/JT/JJ. I mean, WTF? JT appeared to have turned the corner, and is back to his inconsistent, not too smart play. JJ, I'm sorry, but has the lowest basketball IQ I've seen in awhile. And Hayes, if you're not healthy enough to go, than sit. When you step on the court, you're responsible for your production, and right now is it not that great on the glass, and is average on defense, he's killing us with some of his offensive decisions.

This one is so damn frustrating because even given everything which happened, we're right there with chances to take the lead or win it. I'm getting sick of us getting pummeled inside when Cousins isn't in.
 
#6
while the end result is frustrating there was still some good in this game. Fought back again and had a chance to win at the end with Reke and Cousins both having down games. And finally had a Jimmer siting. It was a loss, but we're moving in the right direction y'all.
 
#11
I'm so fing tired of people acting like Dally is some sort of defensive magical god who automatically makes every team he plays on a contender
Didn't say we'd be contenders...just above .500. He's averaging 8ppg 8 rpg and 2 bpg in only 23 minutes a game... compare that to Hayes 4 ppg 6 rpg and .3 blocks per game in the exact same amount of time..... Its very discouraging and a major flub up by our FO last offseason, no way around it.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#12
I'm so fing tired of people acting like Dally is some sort of defensive magical god who automatically makes every team he plays on a contender
Who said contender? .500? Well, Hou was well below .500 before he played and got his wind. Now, they're above .500, even after their two game slide.

I think you're exaggerating. Most feel, and rightly so, we'd be better with Daly. But Daly turning us into a contender? Not sure I've ever seen anyone suggest that.

Feel free to correct me on that though if I missed it.
 
K

Kingsguy881

Guest
#14
Reke is 8-24 with a -23 +/- versus Rubio so far. I guess even a little euro kid is a greater challenge than a chair.
Be a little fair here guy. Rubio last played on Saturday. Reke played Saturday and Monday. I understand your agenda but at least speak the whole truth, nothing but the truth, or shut it.
 
#15
We had a bad game offensively all around yet we had a chance at winning this game, about the only positive I take from this game, and that donate needs more minutes. Rubios length really bothered tyreke tonight, first time ive seen reke un comfortable handling the ball, also one of the fairest times ive seen reke stripped clean in the backcourt. I wouldn't mind seeing Greene start on Thursday to defend durant.
 
#16
We had a bad game offensively all around yet we had a chance at winning this game, about the only positive I take from this game, and that donate needs more minutes. Rubios length really bothered tyreke tonight, first time ive seen reke un comfortable handling the ball, also one of the fairest times ive seen reke stripped clean in the backcourt. I wouldn't mind seeing Greene start on Thursday to defend durant.
Greene is good for his D but he is just too wreckless on offense and his shot is to inconsistent. When his shot isn't falling he might as well be chuck hayes without rebounding ability.
 
#18
Cousins came up with a game saving play at the end, creating an open lay up for Hickson. Unfortunately, the latter was not expecting it (I know, who in their right mind would pass you the ball when you're wide open under the rim with a few seconds left?), and when you combine this with terrible hands, you get what we saw tonight. Donte had a great look, but he can't shoot at all so I never had confidence. Apart from one three that went in, Donte was again terrible.

Not going to write much on this. Didn't deserve the win, terrible performance. One positive is that we somehow managed to keep ourselves in it until the end, which is good for a young team. Onwards and upwards.
 
#19
Had a chance to tie or win it at the end. That is all you can ask of this young team on the second night of a back to back in Minny.

KB
I can ask for more than that and do. I ask that they not go down by 15-20 points in the first half of nearly every game. You can't put yourself in holes like that all the time and expect to win many games in this league. With a few exceptions they've had this problem all year. i just don't get why they can't have a decent start.
 
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#22
Didn't say we'd be contenders...just above .500. He's averaging 8ppg 8 rpg and 2 bpg in only 23 minutes a game... compare that to Hayes 4 ppg 6 rpg and .3 blocks per game in the exact same amount of time..... Its very discouraging and a major flub up by our FO last offseason, no way around it.
Above .500? Don't see it. Dalembert could definitely give you an extra win or two and probably a few less blowout losses but he isn't going to make a 9 and 16 team 13 and 12. If he was that impactful, why were the Kings not a .500 team last year? Same core.
 
#24
Above .500? Don't see it. Dalembert could definitely give you an extra win or two and probably a few less blowout losses but he isn't going to make a 9 and 16 team 13 and 12. If he was that impactful, why were the Kings not a .500 team last year? Same core.
Not quite the same core. Marcus Thornton was added late last season and we did play close to .500 ball with him.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#26
Above .500? Don't see it. Dalembert could definitely give you an extra win or two and probably a few less blowout losses but he isn't going to make a 9 and 16 team 13 and 12. If he was that impactful, why were the Kings not a .500 team last year? Same core.
Sma core including an injured Reke playing half a season, a rookie DeMarcus, and Thornton for all of 27 games.
 
#28
Not to mention Houston is above .500 with a team built around Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry....
You act like thats a bad thing. Kyle Lowry is damn good, and K-Mart+Scola are brilliant #2+#3 options.

people need to understand what the words "sample size" means. Hayes was by far the superior player last season to Dally. It's obvious he's not 100% healthy right now
 
#29
You act like thats a bad thing. Kyle Lowry is damn good, and K-Mart+Scola are brilliant #2+#3 options.

people need to understand what the words "sample size" means. Hayes was by far the superior player last season to Dally. It's obvious he's not 100% healthy right now
That's completely subjective, and not something I agree with. He's certainly not a better fit for this team, and this coming from someone that likes Chuck. I think Dalembert would have helped this team significantly more, but it's all irrelevant.
 
#30
subjective?

TS%- Hayes: 55.4%, Dally: 50.9%
eFG% Hayes: 52.7%, Dally: 47.3%
TRB%: Hayes: 16.3%, Dally: 19.3%
Ast%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 7.5%
Stl%: Hayes 1.5%, Dally 1.3%
Blk%: Hayes 1.6%, Dally 4.3%
TOV%: Hayes 14.3%, Dally 17.3%
O-RTG: Hayes: 120, Dally: 100
D-RTG: Hayes- 106, Dally 105
WS/48: Hayes .148, Dally, .072

Hayes was by far a superior offensive player, slightly worse rebounder and obviously a much worse shotblocker. This doesn't take into account how much better of a mentor/team leader he is than Dally ever was for us. So i'll say again. Hayes was by far a superior player to Dally when both were healthy