What is the Greatest Need?
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I think the Kings are in the biggest need of a point guard, a real playmaker..and also some true role players who can spread the floor and hit the open shots.
Kings are consistently inconsistent when it comes to shooting/scoring, so a playmaker and a couple skilled spot-up shooters is on my priority list at this point
Kings are consistently inconsistent when it comes to shooting/scoring, so a playmaker and a couple skilled spot-up shooters is on my priority list at this point
I say an active C that can block shots and rebound and an NBA caliber SF. Ideally I would like to go after Asik (UFA) in the offseason and shift Cousins to the 4. Try and make a play for either Batum or Wallace through a S&T (Batum will most likely be available), then take BPA with whatever draft pick they get.
Cousins is a center! I've watched this kid play for quite a while, and if you want to develop him where he'll be able to use all his abilities, the you plant him near the basket where he can score and rebound. Put him at PF and you have him playing away from the basket guarding guys like Milsap, West, Landry etc. All guys that are quicker than him. You want a shotblocker, then draft or trade for a player that can play PF and still block shots. There are two guys in the upcoming draft that fit that bill. Davis and Drummond! Not saying we'll be able to draft either, but thats the type of player we need next to Cousins.
As far as our biggest need right now. A SF that can play defense, handle and pass the ball, and spot up well enough to where you have to guard him.
As far as our biggest need right now. A SF that can play defense, handle and pass the ball, and spot up well enough to where you have to guard him.
Speaking about SF I would say strong and long guy who plays D, doesn't fumble the ball, can swing it to the next guy and hit 40% of wide open long balls would be more than enough.
As to the first part at this point I believe Kings need long defensive-minded PF/C not just PF which means Davis and Drummond will suit us much more than Henson.
As to the first part at this point I believe Kings need long defensive-minded PF/C not just PF which means Davis and Drummond will suit us much more than Henson.
starting SF that can defend/shoot and role playing PF/Center that can defend/block shots/rebound
I'd check in with Portland first and see if Batum is a possibility. He could be a solid core guy for years and we could promise him the starting SF spot. They are thin up front so maybe Hickson would be interesting to them.
Other overpaid vets that are likely gettable for not too much - Hedo and Okafor. I really don't care that they are overpaid since we seem unlikely to sign any UFA anyway. Got to turn around this losing culture and maybe we can dump Salmons in the process.
I'd check in with Portland first and see if Batum is a possibility. He could be a solid core guy for years and we could promise him the starting SF spot. They are thin up front so maybe Hickson would be interesting to them.
Other overpaid vets that are likely gettable for not too much - Hedo and Okafor. I really don't care that they are overpaid since we seem unlikely to sign any UFA anyway. Got to turn around this losing culture and maybe we can dump Salmons in the process.
Ok, that's your opinion. I feel he is more effective at PF with a shot blocking C who can help make up for his defensive deficiencies as well as guard opposing PF's when needed. I also think his offensive skillset is also one better suited for the PF position. Putting him at PF isn't going to take away from his development or hinder his abilities. I am also on board with getting a shot blocking, defensive minded PF (Ibaka) and keeping him at C, but those are a little harder to come by, IMO.
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It's a matter of semantics. While I was skeptical of the pairing early on, Dalembert clearly worked next to Cousins. So would Chandler or Camby. When you're playing them together which one is the center? Considering that the only one of those four that has any offensive skills in the low post is Cousins I'd say he is. And if any of those guys was next to Cousins in the lineup I'd wager that they'd be the ones guarding the quicker PFs while Cousins matched up with the bigger centers.
Cousins needs a long athletic guy next to him who can rebound, be a help defender who blocks shots and run the floor. Doesn't really matter whether you want to call him the PF or DeMarcus.
As team needs go I think a guy like that is on about equal footing with finding someone who can run and initiate the offense and get other guys good shots whether that's a PG, SG or point forward at the SF spot. I've long hoped Tyreke would become that player but he's not a natural facilitator. So outside of running the offense through Cousins all the time (that SHOULD happen more than it is but I don't know about full time) this team needs a creator.
Cousins needs a long athletic guy next to him who can rebound, be a help defender who blocks shots and run the floor. Doesn't really matter whether you want to call him the PF or DeMarcus.
As team needs go I think a guy like that is on about equal footing with finding someone who can run and initiate the offense and get other guys good shots whether that's a PG, SG or point forward at the SF spot. I've long hoped Tyreke would become that player but he's not a natural facilitator. So outside of running the offense through Cousins all the time (that SHOULD happen more than it is but I don't know about full time) this team needs a creator.
The greatest need isn't filling a position, which would be sf btw, but instead getting owners and a gm who can fill positions of need.
I don't know who is responsible for Salmons, Outlaw, going after Hayes before going after Daly, hiring one cheap/poor coach after another, not getting a backup center, etc..
I think Westy was heavily involved, but he did not pull the trigger. No matter how great a case Westy made for some of these acquisitions, Petrie had the final say. He sided with Westy, when instead he should have told him to put down the crack pipe.
Then there is the Maloofs. Petrie has said he's been operating under strict restrictions these last few years. That doesn't help at all. But still, don't need to make poor moves. Petrie should have turned around to the Maloofs, and said if you aren't willing to spend, I can't help. Why make a move if it doesn't help? As I've said before, even if the cash strapped Maloofs didn't give Petrie the freedom he needed, wasting 17M per on our current sf core is a complete waste. Petrie should simply have told the Maloofs if you can't financially back me on moves which will help this team, then there aren't any moves to make. I'm not going to just make cheap moves for the sake of making a move.
If you take out a loan for a car, want a bigger loan but can't get it, the responsibility still falls on you to not make a pee POOR investment in another car. You can either try to make a smart investment, cheaply, or wait until you qualify for another loan, or find other funding. But if you take that small loan you hoped was larger, and blow it on a crappy car, you have no one to blame but yourself. Not the best example, but works for me.
Point being, no matter what limitations the Maloofs put on Petrie, Petrie is still responsible. This roster is a mess compared to last year, and I didn't think that would have been possible. We have a gm who is still spending, but not effectively. Daly was too expensive, and we courted Hayes instead, even though we're spending 17M on Cisco/Salmons/Outlaw. We didn't add another 3M per to either AK or Daly, and instead spent it on Outlaw. That's just two of a number of scenarios.
So yes, we can sit here and say we need a sf, or another creator, or a defensive presence next to Cousins, but we have a gm who has shown he doesn't know how to allocate his money effectively. We have owners who don't spend. THAT is the problem. If we don't see serious headway by the trade deadline, then Petrie has to go. He has completely screwed up this roster, as the one with the final say, and the one who pulls the trigger. Westy didn't put a gun to his head. The Maloofs may have campaigned for certain moves behind the scenes, but ultimately it's Petrie pulling the trigger. If the Maloofs campaign for soft shooters, it's on Petrie to tell them no, that isn't what wins, and instead educate them on what kind of a roster does succeed in the playoffs.
This organization has a number of problems. We won't see the changes we want/need until there are changes at the top. This last off season showed that, after YEARS of formulating a plan to execute, and then completely failing. And if this was the plan from say 5 years ago, then Petrie should probably be flipping burgers for a living.
I don't know who is responsible for Salmons, Outlaw, going after Hayes before going after Daly, hiring one cheap/poor coach after another, not getting a backup center, etc..
I think Westy was heavily involved, but he did not pull the trigger. No matter how great a case Westy made for some of these acquisitions, Petrie had the final say. He sided with Westy, when instead he should have told him to put down the crack pipe.
Then there is the Maloofs. Petrie has said he's been operating under strict restrictions these last few years. That doesn't help at all. But still, don't need to make poor moves. Petrie should have turned around to the Maloofs, and said if you aren't willing to spend, I can't help. Why make a move if it doesn't help? As I've said before, even if the cash strapped Maloofs didn't give Petrie the freedom he needed, wasting 17M per on our current sf core is a complete waste. Petrie should simply have told the Maloofs if you can't financially back me on moves which will help this team, then there aren't any moves to make. I'm not going to just make cheap moves for the sake of making a move.
If you take out a loan for a car, want a bigger loan but can't get it, the responsibility still falls on you to not make a pee POOR investment in another car. You can either try to make a smart investment, cheaply, or wait until you qualify for another loan, or find other funding. But if you take that small loan you hoped was larger, and blow it on a crappy car, you have no one to blame but yourself. Not the best example, but works for me.
Point being, no matter what limitations the Maloofs put on Petrie, Petrie is still responsible. This roster is a mess compared to last year, and I didn't think that would have been possible. We have a gm who is still spending, but not effectively. Daly was too expensive, and we courted Hayes instead, even though we're spending 17M on Cisco/Salmons/Outlaw. We didn't add another 3M per to either AK or Daly, and instead spent it on Outlaw. That's just two of a number of scenarios.
So yes, we can sit here and say we need a sf, or another creator, or a defensive presence next to Cousins, but we have a gm who has shown he doesn't know how to allocate his money effectively. We have owners who don't spend. THAT is the problem. If we don't see serious headway by the trade deadline, then Petrie has to go. He has completely screwed up this roster, as the one with the final say, and the one who pulls the trigger. Westy didn't put a gun to his head. The Maloofs may have campaigned for certain moves behind the scenes, but ultimately it's Petrie pulling the trigger. If the Maloofs campaign for soft shooters, it's on Petrie to tell them no, that isn't what wins, and instead educate them on what kind of a roster does succeed in the playoffs.
This organization has a number of problems. We won't see the changes we want/need until there are changes at the top. This last off season showed that, after YEARS of formulating a plan to execute, and then completely failing. And if this was the plan from say 5 years ago, then Petrie should probably be flipping burgers for a living.
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Above and in other threads this short season we have posted and read of many needs the Kings have. There's enough wrong that most observations have merit. Never-the-less our greatest need isn't clear to me and maybe not the KIngs either. I say let's play on for a month or until we get closer to the trade deadline before move in any of the many directions an analysis of our problems would lead to. Is a pg any good withour a Sammy? Is Sammy any good without a quality 3? Is a quality 3 any good without a pg?
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A NEW FRONT OFFICE, GM , AND OWNERS .... THEN A RUBIO LIKE PG... AND A SHOTBLOCKER FOR GOOD MEASURE
I have to agree... This current roster is a total mess. a mixture of all similar players that don't fit or share the ball...
for every step forward we take 3 more back... drafting Cousins good.. trading Noc and Hawes for Dalembert good... not trading him or resigning him bad. salmons bad. Jimmer (so far bad), JJ hickson, Outlaw, bad bad bad...
I think drafting Evans over Rubio was fools gold.... and now that Rubio has joined the league... Rubio is exactly what this blend of players on the Kings needed... a unselfish pass first prodigy that on nights that he hits one basket he can give his team a win almost getting a triple double in ast steals and rebounds.. plus doing a ton of other hustle stuff that didn't show up in the stats...
Rubio Keeps the offense moving and smooth... Rubios teammates know that IF THEY MOVE ... HE WILL FIND THEM...he makes things easier for teammates and keeps them in a rhythm... Evans brings the offense to a stop. and consists usually of Evans looking to drive himself... if Evans teammates move usually it results in Evans not seeing it or being able to get them the ball.
I realize Rubio is never coming to sacramento.... but the biggest need for this team behind a new front office, GM and owners is a player and PG like Rubio. i'd say coach 3rd biggest need... i just think this team would instantly be winning more if we had a Rubio to make things easy for these guys.
I have to agree... This current roster is a total mess. a mixture of all similar players that don't fit or share the ball...
for every step forward we take 3 more back... drafting Cousins good.. trading Noc and Hawes for Dalembert good... not trading him or resigning him bad. salmons bad. Jimmer (so far bad), JJ hickson, Outlaw, bad bad bad...
I think drafting Evans over Rubio was fools gold.... and now that Rubio has joined the league... Rubio is exactly what this blend of players on the Kings needed... a unselfish pass first prodigy that on nights that he hits one basket he can give his team a win almost getting a triple double in ast steals and rebounds.. plus doing a ton of other hustle stuff that didn't show up in the stats...
Rubio Keeps the offense moving and smooth... Rubios teammates know that IF THEY MOVE ... HE WILL FIND THEM...he makes things easier for teammates and keeps them in a rhythm... Evans brings the offense to a stop. and consists usually of Evans looking to drive himself... if Evans teammates move usually it results in Evans not seeing it or being able to get them the ball.
I realize Rubio is never coming to sacramento.... but the biggest need for this team behind a new front office, GM and owners is a player and PG like Rubio. i'd say coach 3rd biggest need... i just think this team would instantly be winning more if we had a Rubio to make things easy for these guys.
Speaking about SF I would say strong and long guy who plays D, doesn't fumble the ball, can swing it to the next guy and hit 40% of wide open long balls would be more than enough.
As to the first part at this point I believe Kings need long defensive-minded PF/C not just PF which means Davis and Drummond will suit us much more than Henson.
As to the first part at this point I believe Kings need long defensive-minded PF/C not just PF which means Davis and Drummond will suit us much more than Henson.
The reason I suggested both Davis and Drummond in the draft, is because your describing them. Both are very athletic, long, mobile shotblocker types, that can also guard both positions if necessary. I agree with Funky, it doesn't matter what label you put on them. Cousins is actually a pretty good man defender. If not at the beginning of the game, he's better by the end of the game. You'll notice that his defense against Hibbert was much better in the second half than it was in the first quarter. He's a quick learner.
Don't you think, that at the time of the draft, the Kings were in a position where they couldn't afford to choose a player that couldn't play for two years? At least from a PR point of view. Even if they loved Rubio, which apparently they didn't, it would have been a very risky move. As far as Rubio is concerned, I've only seen him play twice so far, and he hasn't exactly blown my socks off. In both games he couldn't hit an outside shot consistently. I'll hold judgement till he's been around the league a few times. Things can change dramaticly once the league figures out what you like to do, and then takes it away. I wish him no ill will. But I'll reserve judgement for a while.
Agreed. I think you and I were saying somewhat similar things, but I don't think I phrased my stance very well. Are you familiar with Asik's game? I wonder if he would be that kind of guy that could be interchangeable at both positions. I also like both guys you mentioned and would be ecstatic with either.
I have long believed that Batum would be our best long term fit at SF and nothing has happened that has changed my mind. Length, athleticism, solid shooting, good passer a genuine role payer who also has potential. If we could somehow flog off Hickson + something to Portland for Batum it would be one good move that our front office has done since the end of last season
You Sir is full of wisdom.
IMO, Petrie needs to go to change this losing culture in Sacramento. He does not work hard and I think this is why we don't really hear much of his dealings from the media and not because he is secretive. The guy is just so passive and he tends to infect everyone with his passivity - from top to bottom.
Again, you make sense. I will wait for Petrie's relatives or those on Petrie's payroll in this board to refute your opinion.
Any takers?
IMO, Petrie needs to go to change this losing culture in Sacramento. He does not work hard and I think this is why we don't really hear much of his dealings from the media and not because he is secretive. The guy is just so passive and he tends to infect everyone with his passivity - from top to bottom.
Again, you make sense. I will wait for Petrie's relatives or those on Petrie's payroll in this board to refute your opinion.
Any takers?
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# 1 A point guard with a distribution focus, that can defend and knock down the open three. We need a vocal leader, someone that isnt cofused about when to score and when to pass. Not saying get rid of Reke, but modify his role.
# 2 A Defensive Passing spot up 3 SF.
# 3 A Defensive Center/Pf that can Block shots and mold with cousins abilities.
# 2 A Defensive Passing spot up 3 SF.
# 3 A Defensive Center/Pf that can Block shots and mold with cousins abilities.
Our greatest need has been our greatest need ever since we bowed out of playoff contention - and that's a defensive-minded distributor, a true PG. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone available who would solve our problems (and good luck getting D-Will), nor is there any strong PG's in this draft.
Thus at this point, I'd replace redundant personnel with defenders who have a A:TO ratio > 1 and don't command high-usage rates to be effective on offense.
Thus at this point, I'd replace redundant personnel with defenders who have a A:TO ratio > 1 and don't command high-usage rates to be effective on offense.
