Kings Bidding On Jamal Crawford??????
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You might want to believe it but I would be staggered if Dalembert is back simply because we are not prepared to pay what the market value is for a player of that type. we obviously disagree where that number should be but history suggests that these players are highest paid after the superstars and most important to championships after the superstars.
Just keep an eye out on how Dallas goes this year without Chandler even though they have Haywood to man the middle.
Just keep an eye out on how Dallas goes this year without Chandler even though they have Haywood to man the middle.
I don't see the fit.
If he picks Portland though ... Free Agent talent and team cap space is starting to dry up.
If we lose out on AK and Crawford ... and Dalemberts potential teams keep signing bigs (GSW signed Kwame Brown today) ... I have to think we are getting closer to bringing Dalembert back with each failed signing.
If he picks Portland though ... Free Agent talent and team cap space is starting to dry up.
If we lose out on AK and Crawford ... and Dalemberts potential teams keep signing bigs (GSW signed Kwame Brown today) ... I have to think we are getting closer to bringing Dalembert back with each failed signing.
I'm in the minority that is actually a very big fan of Crawford. I think any time you can add a veteran 6th man player from a consistently contending team, it's a good thing. This deal would make more since if we didn't have Salmons and Garcia though. Would love to see 1 of them traded if the signing of JC goes through. I like this deal because it finally says to me that the Maloofs want to win.
Also i forgot to point out, if Thornton,Evans,Salmons or Jimmer goes down to injury, Jamal would be right there to fill the void offensively without struggle. Plus if its only a one year deal like sources are proclaiming, he could be an easily tradeable asset near the deadline, that could net us something nice. Every teams looking for a 6th man of the year..
@ kingsnation- Im sure you can expect one to be traded for more defense if the Jamal signing does happen. I think Geoff would sign JC first, to make sure he's got a replacement for Garcia, Salmons, Donte before he makes a trade, which is smart.
@ kingsnation- Im sure you can expect one to be traded for more defense if the Jamal signing does happen. I think Geoff would sign JC first, to make sure he's got a replacement for Garcia, Salmons, Donte before he makes a trade, which is smart.
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If Petrie really does take Crawford, I bet that he won't be signing a vet PG anymore and we stick with real big PG lineup with Evans starting and Crawford backing up either PG or SG spots.
Honeycutt may have to play more SG minutes if we're not trading Donte.
PG - Evans/Fredette/Crawford
SG - Thornton/Crawford/Honeycutt
SF - Salmons/Garcia/Greene
PF - Hayes/Hickson
C - Cousins/Thompson/Whiteside
This might work especially on this tight 66 games season.
But we have to add 1 more piece to this team.
Honeycutt may have to play more SG minutes if we're not trading Donte.
PG - Evans/Fredette/Crawford
SG - Thornton/Crawford/Honeycutt
SF - Salmons/Garcia/Greene
PF - Hayes/Hickson
C - Cousins/Thompson/Whiteside
This might work especially on this tight 66 games season.
But we have to add 1 more piece to this team.
Given that Garcia (lockerroom leader), Salmons (about at Crawford's level), and Donte (cheap) all play considerably better defense than Crawford, JC is the guy who should go for defense.
Here's an idea of just how stupidly we are threatening to construct this team:
Shots per game last season:
Kings Team: 85.1
Thornton: 17.5 (with Kings)
Evans: 16.4
Cousins: 12.4 (should be going up)
Salmons: 12.3
Hickson: 11.7
Crawford: 11.5
Fredette: 20.7 (college)
Garcia: 8.2
Thompson: 7.1
Hayes: 6.3
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Total: 103.4 + Jimmers 20.7 (college) + any that Donte, Whiteside, Honeycutt or Thomas could expect.
So how's that work? How to balance that back to 85 per game? Well let's see:
1) we bench Jimmer. No shots for you rook. Might as well head back to Utah and enjoy that hot fiancee of yours. See you next year. But that still leaves us at 103.4.
2) Donte, Whiteside, Honeycutt, Thomas etc.? No shots for you. Not a single one. No garbagetime at all. And yet we're still at 103.4.
3) So we'll somehow strip Salmons of 3-4 shots without him going pouty...but of course Cousins/Reke are liekly to pick those right up just a normal development. Which would still leave us around 103.4.
4) So...let's entirely bench Cisco and Thompson. No minutes, no shots at all. We're going with the 7 man rotation baby to keep all our chuckers happy. That's save us 15.3 shots and get it down to 88.1. And then we'll steal three more from Chuck Hayes, because hey, Chcuk doesn't like to shoot anyway and won't mind averaging 3ppg for his 5mil a year.
Whew! Alright! Did it! Yes I completely trashed the rookie seasons of all our rooks, kicked 3 of our best chemistry guys right off the team in Cisco, JT and Donte, sent Whiteside back to NBDL purgatory, and am now running a pure 7 man rotation full of selfish chuckers squabbling over the ball during a compressed season featuring a constant stream of back to backs and even back to back to backs, but I got all these fools their shots, and that's all that matters.
I think we can bring the shots down. Hickson took a lot of shots last year with the cav's. I expect that to come down a little bit. I'd also take a dew off salmons and garcia due to minutes crunch. In the end, someone/everyone will have their shots down a bit from last year, and when someone has a hot hand, then they'd probably get the shots until they cool off... Of course even my rationalizing this still doesn't make me believe this would actually work.
"Crawford isn't looking for a long-term deal, and the Kings aren't looking to tie up money in a long-term deal. He reportedly turned down a two-year deal worth $10 million from Indiana.
The Kings might be able to land Crawford with a one-year deal that would allow the veteran to test free agency next summer.
Even if Crawford does not sign with the Kings, the team still needs to make a move. Sacramento must spend a little more than $1 million to reach the NBA's minimum salary level for this season."
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/14/4121198/landing-crawford-could-boost-offense.html#ixzz1gV5YyRpP
The Kings might be able to land Crawford with a one-year deal that would allow the veteran to test free agency next summer.
Even if Crawford does not sign with the Kings, the team still needs to make a move. Sacramento must spend a little more than $1 million to reach the NBA's minimum salary level for this season."
Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/14/4121198/landing-crawford-could-boost-offense.html#ixzz1gV5YyRpP
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Obviously every player is going to shoot alot less and i'm sure the coaches are going to be emphasizing passing alot more from the scorers. The thing is all of our scorers are great scorers, but they are also all solid and willing passers. Reke 5 asts, Jimmer 4.3, John 3.5, MT 3.5, and Jamal would be added at 4 a gm for his career. So its not like the guys are all going to be whining and crying over not getting their "set" shots from last year or the year before, because i dont think thats the case, they all have passing in their arsenal to make this work. Im hoping they will all be able to look past the fact that numbers arent everything, especially when you want to win and play team ball.
Donte,Whiteside,Honeycutt,Thomas will all be lucky to get on the court let alone get a shot up. With the talent we have theres no reason to play them unless injuries occur, or the coaches see something amazing in practice. Most of them will prolly end up in the NBDL to develop for the future.
I can see Salmons going pouty out of everyone, because i think i vaugely remember him pouting back in the day when not getting enough touches or something. But hes a vet and im sure he'll get over not averaging 17 pts a game, just like Reke will have to get over not averaging 20.
If theres one player out of Thompson, Greene, Cisco i'd like to keep, it would be Cisco for the leadership reasons you aknwoledged and being here since the semi-golden days.
Do you really expect Thompson,Greene and Cisco to get minutes considering how deep our team is? They had a hard enough time finding minutes the last cuple years when we werent deep.
Also Jimmer had the green light to jack 48 footers in college.. Theres no way he'll have as much freedom this year with all this talent. Which meens you can replace those shot attempts with asts knowing Jimmers attitude and work ethic.
I see nothing wrong with this type of depth, especially if we are going to be an offensive powerhouse team this year, which it is looking like we are. Yes it would be lovely to have Battier,Afflalo,Prince,AK, inserted into the lineup instead of a guy like Jamal.. But from the looks of it thats not reality this season unless we make some major trades.
I'll take the playoff vet, 6th man of the year that understands his role as consolation.
Donte,Whiteside,Honeycutt,Thomas will all be lucky to get on the court let alone get a shot up. With the talent we have theres no reason to play them unless injuries occur, or the coaches see something amazing in practice. Most of them will prolly end up in the NBDL to develop for the future.
I can see Salmons going pouty out of everyone, because i think i vaugely remember him pouting back in the day when not getting enough touches or something. But hes a vet and im sure he'll get over not averaging 17 pts a game, just like Reke will have to get over not averaging 20.
If theres one player out of Thompson, Greene, Cisco i'd like to keep, it would be Cisco for the leadership reasons you aknwoledged and being here since the semi-golden days.
Do you really expect Thompson,Greene and Cisco to get minutes considering how deep our team is? They had a hard enough time finding minutes the last cuple years when we werent deep.
Also Jimmer had the green light to jack 48 footers in college.. Theres no way he'll have as much freedom this year with all this talent. Which meens you can replace those shot attempts with asts knowing Jimmers attitude and work ethic.
I see nothing wrong with this type of depth, especially if we are going to be an offensive powerhouse team this year, which it is looking like we are. Yes it would be lovely to have Battier,Afflalo,Prince,AK, inserted into the lineup instead of a guy like Jamal.. But from the looks of it thats not reality this season unless we make some major trades.
I'll take the playoff vet, 6th man of the year that understands his role as consolation.
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Even if we sign AK or SD instead of Crawford, it really doesn't eliminate your issue prescribed above. AK averaged like 8.5 shots per game last year and SD 7.1. That's 3-4 less than Crawford took. The "problem" we now have is that we are a much deeper team. The roster is loaded with guys who excelled on weak teams last year. The fact of the matter is there are players on this team that are going to have to accept lessor roles than they are used to. The most notable I would guess will be Salmons and Hickson. There is no way those guys are going to get as many minutes/touches that they got last year. I'm also not seeing a lot of minutes for JT, Cisco, or Donte. It's PW's job to mesh it all together and we all know how that usually goes. It's going to be a challenge because most of the players are young and they are the hardest to convince to accept a lessor role. If the Kings get off to a bad start and/or continue with their losing ways, it will be even harder to manage. If they start winning and catching the eye of the league and the media, then they may buy in.
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I'm puzzled by the hot pursuit of Crawford. I understand the need to collect talent and figure it out later. But Westphal has a very annoying habit of not figuring things out quickly and leaving players confused on their role. If he signs here, it means Jimmer is going to sit a lot more this year. I actually hope Crawford passes on the Kings. I'm willing to sacrifice a few wins to get Jimmer some minutes this season. I
I think the Kings are after Crawford because:
1. They need a veteran PG off the bench; they do. Jimmer is not yet a stable NBA asset, he is a prospect who will need to develop before he can get in the main rotation and with limited training camp, Jimmer won't be ready for a while IMHO. It is not like the guy was a top 3 pick who is expected to make an immediate impact.
2. Crawford wants a one-year deal... how tempting is that? Even if he doesn't work out, he is an ender and a massively valuable trade asset for playoff teams AND teams looking to shed salary.
1. They need a veteran PG off the bench; they do. Jimmer is not yet a stable NBA asset, he is a prospect who will need to develop before he can get in the main rotation and with limited training camp, Jimmer won't be ready for a while IMHO. It is not like the guy was a top 3 pick who is expected to make an immediate impact.
2. Crawford wants a one-year deal... how tempting is that? Even if he doesn't work out, he is an ender and a massively valuable trade asset for playoff teams AND teams looking to shed salary.
1) Crawford makes Reke looks like Nash when it comes to PG skills. A veteran PG off the bench is Earl Watson. Crawford is a scorer all the way and jsut too physically weak to play SG full time.
2) the trade asset would be a better argument if hia best offer of the FA period wasn't coming from us, with others being such mega deals as 2yrs at $10mil form Indiana and the $2.5mil exception from New York. Not sure why the lack of interest unless the dip in his numbers last year means the rest of the league's opinion of him has caught up to mine, but this isn't exactly a scorchingly hot asset we are stepping in to save.
2) the trade asset would be a better argument if hia best offer of the FA period wasn't coming from us, with others being such mega deals as 2yrs at $10mil form Indiana and the $2.5mil exception from New York. Not sure why the lack of interest unless the dip in his numbers last year means the rest of the league's opinion of him has caught up to mine, but this isn't exactly a scorchingly hot asset we are stepping in to save.