The Lockout has arrived.
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SEems like they recently made an agreement that any news bad or good is not going to be released, meaning nothing to the press about the meetings in particular.. Looking good! Maybe tomorrow we will have some good news to release as a team (owners/players). They are meeting again tomorrow afternoon (Monday)
NBA cancels first 2 weeks of season
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7085089/nba-labor-david-stern-cancels-first-two-weeks-nba-season
Despite a seven-hour meeting, the NBA has cancelled the first two weeks of the regular season.
Commissioner David Stern made the announcement Monday night after meeting with the NBA players' association in a last-ditch attempt to end the owner-initiated lockout and begin the 2011 season on time.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7085089/nba-labor-david-stern-cancels-first-two-weeks-nba-season
Despite a seven-hour meeting, the NBA has cancelled the first two weeks of the regular season.
Commissioner David Stern made the announcement Monday night after meeting with the NBA players' association in a last-ditch attempt to end the owner-initiated lockout and begin the 2011 season on time.
First two weeks cancelled.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7085089/nba-labor-david-stern-cancels-first-two-weeks-nba-season
Idiots.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7085089/nba-labor-david-stern-cancels-first-two-weeks-nba-season
Idiots.
Stern said both sides are "very far apart on virtually all issues. ... We just have a gulf that separates us."
The cancellation includes all games scheduled to be played through Nov. 14.
"Despite extensive efforts, we have not been able to reach a new agreement with the players' union that allows all 30 teams to be able to compete for a championship while fairly compensating our players," NBA Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver said in a statement.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/10/10/nba-cancels-first-two-weeks-season/#ixzz1aR5maYKs
The cancellation includes all games scheduled to be played through Nov. 14.
"Despite extensive efforts, we have not been able to reach a new agreement with the players' union that allows all 30 teams to be able to compete for a championship while fairly compensating our players," NBA Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver said in a statement.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/10/10/nba-cancels-first-two-weeks-season/#ixzz1aR5maYKs
Unfortunately, I can see many doing just that. These idiots, on both sides, are killing all the momentum this league had. I've read it took 6 years to recover from the 98 lockout, and the league had more momentum, and has more to lose this time around. No one feels sorry for these guys, not when the rest of America has had to take paycuts, or work longer hours for less money.
Plus, as was shown the the Coon article Brick posted, the few % points each side is holding out for, will be negated by missing 4 weeks. The 120M I think it is, which those 3 % points represent, half of it is now gone. In the article, or another by Ken Berger, can't remember, it said if the players hold out for 53% BRI until Jan, and get that deal in Jan, they'd make less then if they took the original 50/50 split and started the season on time.
From my point of view, this is more about ego, from both sides. Simply not the time for that given the state of this country, and world.
What also pisses me off, is how little many of these players seem to know about the situation. A few writers have commented on many players just not knowing/understanding the finances involved in this, and what they stand to lose. If you're not involved, aren't doing your homework, and aren't attending the meetings, then what the hell are you holding out for besides pure greed?
Plus, as was shown the the Coon article Brick posted, the few % points each side is holding out for, will be negated by missing 4 weeks. The 120M I think it is, which those 3 % points represent, half of it is now gone. In the article, or another by Ken Berger, can't remember, it said if the players hold out for 53% BRI until Jan, and get that deal in Jan, they'd make less then if they took the original 50/50 split and started the season on time.
From my point of view, this is more about ego, from both sides. Simply not the time for that given the state of this country, and world.
What also pisses me off, is how little many of these players seem to know about the situation. A few writers have commented on many players just not knowing/understanding the finances involved in this, and what they stand to lose. If you're not involved, aren't doing your homework, and aren't attending the meetings, then what the hell are you holding out for besides pure greed?
"But small-market owners were hardened after watching LeBron James leave Cleveland for Miami, Amare Stoudemire bolt Phoenix for New York, and Carmelo Anthony later use his impending free agency as leverage to secure a trade from Denver to the Knicks. They wanted changes that would allow them to hold onto their superstars and compete for titles with the big-spending teams from Los Angeles, Boston and Dallas who have gobbled up the last four championships."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/10/10/lockout.ap/index.html#?eref=sircrc
As long as the NBA owners continue to remain true to this, I'll wait. If they give up on this, there's no need for me to watch the NBA anymore.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/10/10/lockout.ap/index.html#?eref=sircrc
As long as the NBA owners continue to remain true to this, I'll wait. If they give up on this, there's no need for me to watch the NBA anymore.
good article.
One of the comments hit it right on the head with one word. Indifference. If the fans aren't crying for basketball because of indifference the NBA has a serious problem on it's hands. Wilbon had it right when he said that football fans were screaming for the NFL to solve their labor dispute. It was unthinkable that the NFL would cancel football games. Your not hearing that from basketball fans.
One of the comments hit it right on the head with one word. Indifference. If the fans aren't crying for basketball because of indifference the NBA has a serious problem on it's hands. Wilbon had it right when he said that football fans were screaming for the NFL to solve their labor dispute. It was unthinkable that the NFL would cancel football games. Your not hearing that from basketball fans.
After watching this, I've almost come around to taking the player's side.
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/c...14_GAMETIME_LABOR_UPDATE.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
It sound like the players would be OK with less of a split as long as the money goes to things like lower ticket prices instead of in owners pockets.
It also sound like the players are willing to meet every day if necessary.
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/c...14_GAMETIME_LABOR_UPDATE.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
It sound like the players would be OK with less of a split as long as the money goes to things like lower ticket prices instead of in owners pockets.
It also sound like the players are willing to meet every day if necessary.
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But then the whole issue is the owners wouldn't be making good business, because the revenue would simply be entirely converted to expenses. At the end of the day the cash figure that they receive (in their opinion) isn't putting them in a good enough position to make money.
Fisher/Hunter mentioned the issue of the smaller market teams pushing for better revenue sharing so that the league would be more competitive and not so largely in favor of the big market teams. But they failed to address the reality, which is that LBJ, Carmelo, Bosh etc. all contributed to this sentiment felt by the owners. If they could address this issue in terms of system changes (the players also don't want a hard cap and aren't accepting the luxury tax propositions) then maybe the owners would settle for a lower % of BRI.
IIRC Charles Barkley said in a phone interview that it wasn't fair to the owners and organisations to have to go through the whole ordeal of star players leaving 2 years before their contract was actually up, making reference to LBJ and Carmelo and now Chris Paul.
Fisher/Hunter mentioned the issue of the smaller market teams pushing for better revenue sharing so that the league would be more competitive and not so largely in favor of the big market teams. But they failed to address the reality, which is that LBJ, Carmelo, Bosh etc. all contributed to this sentiment felt by the owners. If they could address this issue in terms of system changes (the players also don't want a hard cap and aren't accepting the luxury tax propositions) then maybe the owners would settle for a lower % of BRI.
IIRC Charles Barkley said in a phone interview that it wasn't fair to the owners and organisations to have to go through the whole ordeal of star players leaving 2 years before their contract was actually up, making reference to LBJ and Carmelo and now Chris Paul.
A hard cap and or a change to the Mid Level wouldn't have stopped the 3 from coming together but it would mean Miami would not be able to put anyone else around them unless they took a much larger pay cut. Miami can add a Mid level every year under the old cba if there is a hard cap or semi hard cap in place then they are looking at min salary guys around the 3....
The owners are saying right now they are losing money on average so they need more %. It makes no sense for them to get more % and lower the money coming in as their costs would be the same so again they wouldn't be making money....
The owners are saying right now they are losing money on average so they need more %. It makes no sense for them to get more % and lower the money coming in as their costs would be the same so again they wouldn't be making money....
