Big Men via Free Agency or Trade

#1
I arrived home at 4:00 on Thursday afternoon to get settled for an exciting draft night. I changed clothes, grabbed a plate of food and cuddled up to the computer to check for updates. Within 10 seconds I transitioned from anticipatory excitement to WTF! To say that I was disappointed in the John Salmons trade after getting my hopes up for a Tony Parker/Richard Jefferson level veteran help for this team is an understatement. In a state of bewildered shock, I turned on KHTK to see the take of local fans. After 10 minutes of Grant homerism, chastizing fans, and saying that Salmons can hang defensively with any 3 man in the league my migraine was sufficient for me to mute that nonsense and return to the couch to absorb the drama.

I was frustrated because Salmons is quick enough sure, but look at the Carmellos, Artests, Pierces, LeBrons of the world who are physical specimens. They will abuse Salmons down low and muscle him for rebounds, dribble drives, and post ups, and he doesn't have the weight or the strength to counter. IMO he is a quicker, steadier Cisco; quick and crafty, but too small to hold his ground against the bull rush of power three men listed above...

Begrudgingly, I pressed on, determined to see how this played out. I was surprised with the #4 pick of Tristan Thompson to Cleveland, and the subsequent river of oversees big man projects and potential. The name I kept seeing flow downstream was BRANDON KNIGHT. I understood that it was all but inevitable that the Kings would draft Jimmer, and I'm actually ok with that prospect, but ever since the relocation fiasco, I've had a dwindling trust in the organization's ability to make the correct choices, and the Maloof's ability to spend like the championship caliber owners I had grown accustomed to in their early days with this franchise. I understand the elephant in the room is the looming CBA, but in order to compete in modern American sports it takes owners with deep pockets or equally significant quantities of brilliance and I remain skeptical on the current ownership in both of these fronts.

After the Jimmer pick I was a bit relieved that at least it went to plan, but I was still so peeved by the John Salmons trade, not because I had anything against Salmons, and freeing up PG minutes for our lotto pick does make sense, but Beno was our most consistent player for the last several seasons. Most of all, my trust was shaken so fully with the organization that I mostly believed that they would take the draft day moves and sit with them until the season began, saying look we did spend, we added the salary of John Salmons and he gives us a veteran at a position of need.

In the aftermath of Thursday's action I have come around to the trade to some degree. The most promising information I have heard was the interview with Geoffe Petrie in which he stated the following: "We're not done making moves. Going into the season now we would be around 28 million in salary so yes we will try to improve this team further. We are expecting to be near the salary cap once the season begins."

Later he stated: "the offseason plan is to aggressively pursue a major front court talent whether by free agency or trade." Music to my ears...The team is not done! Unlike previous seasons, they have stated the willingness to spend to improve this team. Furthermore, they appear to have a great back court in place and are aggressively looking to upgrade the front court.

Dalembert is an obvious choice here, or Marc Gasol, or Dwight Howard, or Nene, or David West even...The good news is that they aren't done building this offseason! So who should the Kings go after next via free agency or trade? Donte/Garcia/Casspi are all fair game to go in a trade and this will help alleviate the log jam at SF. I love the versatility of the Tyreke/Thornton/Fredette guard line, and the Cousins/Thompson/Dalembert three headed front court worked well at the end of last season. It's a new frontier. Each season is unique from the rest, and I'm coming around to the fact that change can be good. At least we have a team to follow, for good times and bad. Go Kings!
 
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I would love to get Marc Gasol in free agency, I know that the grizzlies extended a qualifying offer to him and that he's a restricted free agent but i'm wondering how much money the grizzlies have left to spend after they gave Rudy Gay & Zach Randolph huge contracts
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#3
I would love to get Marc Gasol in free agency, I know that the grizzlies extended a qualifying offer to him and that he's a restricted free agent but i'm wondering how much money the grizzlies have left to spend after they gave Rudy Gay & Zach Randolph huge contracts
Gasol and Cousins can't play together. Just can't That's the bottom line issue there. Daly and Cousins can because Daly can chase the long mobile PFs outside -- he has that athleticsm, and he covers the hoop defensively. Gasol is even more lumbering than COusins. You can't put those two players together out there or the one trying to guard PFs would just get killed all night.

Now Nene...that could be a possiblity. He has the mobility to guard PFs. But again, our rebounding and shotblocking would go right to hell again, and we'll never be good if we allow that to happen. Should note, just as an aside, that the player the Utah Jazz used to compensate for that problem with their stubby Boozer/Okur frontline was AK47 at SF. Who is BTW a free agent this year.
 
#4
Gasol and Cousins can't play together. Just can't That's the bottom line issue there. Daly and Cousins can because Daly can chase the long mobile PFs outside -- he has that athleticsm, and he covers the hoop defensively. Gasol is even more lumbering than COusins. You can't put those two players together out there or the one trying to guard PFs would just get killed all night.

Now Nene...that could be a possiblity. He has the mobility to guard PFs. But again, our rebounding and shotblocking would go right to hell again, and we'll never be good if we allow that to happen. Should note, just as an aside, that the player the Utah Jazz used to compensate for that problem with their stubby Boozer/Okur frontline was AK47 at SF. Who is BTW a free agent this year.
There are no absolutes in basketball. You can't just say two players can't play together as if it were a foregone conclusion. It's not a matter of physics or something where you could say two chemicals can't coexist and there would be science to back that up.
 

SacTownKid

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#5
I think if Gasol and Randolph can play together it's probably pretty likely that Gasol and Cousins can considering the similarities between Cousins and Randolph. Not a fan of it either, but they could certainly play together.
 

Bricklayer

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#6
I think if Gasol and Randolph can play together it's probably pretty likely that Gasol and Cousins can considering the similarities between Cousins and Randolph. Not a fan of it either, but they could certainly play together.
If you don't think Zach Randolph is considerably quicker at guarding PFS, flanked btw for this playoff run I should note by 2 of the Top 5 perimeter defenders in the league than DeMarcus Cousins...sorry. Zach's not much of a defender, but he's been doing his not much of a defender thing for a long tme. We hid Cousins on weak offensive centers with Daly around. You are suggesting next season it could work with Cousins guarding Aldrige and Amare every night. I am suggesting not a prayer.

Just as an aside to the best of my knowledge there has never been a frontcourt pairing with as much girth as people are suddenly suggesting here. NOBODY has ever tried to go 280/280 out there. A reason for that. You can go Twin Towers, but at least one of them has to be mobile enough to cover the PFs.
 
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I am assuming that there is just no snowball's chance in hell that we can sign Chandler because Cuban will do everything in his power to keep the core of the team together.

With that in mind, I think our #1 priority this off-season is re-signing Dalembert. He has already proven that he fits in great with Cousins and has guarded those PFs that would give Cousins trouble....Aldridge, Amare, Dirk, Gasoft....and done a great job on them.

To me he is a greater need than Thornton who looks just about a certainty to return.

If we can resign Dalembert and Thornton, we really don't need to add a big name free agent. I think Dalembert/Cousins/JT rotation is one of the best trios in the league. Ideally we would want to bring in a 4th big. A heady veteran who can defend some of the smaller 4s that give Dalembert some trouble (West, Landry...the quicker smaller PFs that Dally finds hard to **** down). In a perfect world, the player I would love to bring here is AK47. He can guard bigger SFs (where Salmons might struggle) and also play on those PFs that would cause Dally some grief.

In a perfect world this would be my team going into next season:

C: Dalembert
PF: Cousins
SF: Salmons
SG: Thornton
PG: Evans

6th: Kirilenko
7th: Thompson
8th: Fredette
9th: Garcia
10th: Earl Watson (vet PG added for leadership and someone who can come in and contribute if Fredette takes time)

Rest: Casspi, Greene, Whiteside, Honeycutt, Thomas, - (I am sure there will be more trades so one or two of Casspi, Greene, Garica won't be around and some of the 2nd round picks might not even make the team)

That team would have a good mix of offense and defense and a lot of flexibility with players able to play multiple positions.

That's a very solid 10 man rotation when on most nights you would go 8 or 9 deep.

If re-signing Dalembert fails, we should go after DeAndre Jordan! If that fails, we are screwed in terms of having a goalie to pin the interior defense.
 
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Bricklayer

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#8
I would actually agree with every one of your Top 10 pieces there, including Watson. Oh to be able to boot Petrie out of his seat for just a few weeks and try to make it happen.
 
#11
The Problem is that if Dalembert Walks ... the next guys in line on defense are DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler. I think its unrealistic to think we can get either of those guys and not get Dalembert. Clippers love Jordan next to Griffin, and Dallas just won the title with Chandler. We are running out of options here.
 

Entity

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#12
i agree. We need to be putting up some grass cutting billboards for Daly. I don't want Randolph or Gasol. Besides think of a starting 5 of Thorton, Evans, Salmon, Randolph, Cousins. who will be the first to get pissed off because they only got 3 shots. I stated in another thread. We really need Whiteside to come along quick if Daly don't sign with us.
 
#13
Well, interestingly enough the NY media today seem to be saying that the Knicks will only offer 1-year deals for their free agent big men. I'd say that pretty much ends any chances of them snagging Dalembert. Now, the major threat would seem to be the Heat, with their contending status and proximity to Haiti. Still, I'm not going to be too worried until I see what the new CBA does in regards to MLE and/or a hard cap. I'd like to think we still have a good shot at retaining Sammy unless he really did sour on the team at the end last year.
 
#14
i agree. We need to be putting up some grass cutting billboards for Daly. I don't want Randolph or Gasol. Besides think of a starting 5 of Thorton, Evans, Salmon, Randolph, Cousins. who will be the first to get pissed off because they only got 3 shots. I stated in another thread. We really need Whiteside to come along quick if Daly don't sign with us.
Who is suggesting Randolph? No one here, from what I can tell.

No, the point was that since a Randoplph/Gasol froncourt seemed to work in Memphis, a Cousins/Gasol one might work here, too, given that Cousins and Randolph are said to be similar physically. Personally, I see Brick's reservations. But I think if Dalembert walks, going for Gasol, and hoping that Cousins' D improves with his conditioning, might be the best bet. At least you get more defense than with Nene. I'd really love Chandler but unless the new CBA restricts Dallas' ability to remain way over the cap, I don't see it happening.
 

Entity

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#16
Who is suggesting Randolph? No one here, from what I can tell.

No, the point was that since a Randoplph/Gasol froncourt seemed to work in Memphis, a Cousins/Gasol one might work here, too, given that Cousins and Randolph are said to be similar physically. Personally, I see Brick's reservations. But I think if Dalembert walks, going for Gasol, and hoping that Cousins' D improves with his conditioning, might be the best bet. At least you get more defense than with Nene. I'd really love Chandler but unless the new CBA restricts Dallas' ability to remain way over the cap, I don't see it happening.
i was mostly refering to an article i read earlier this morning not sure what site it was at the moment. didn't say we where interested they just said we needed big man and his name was the first they mentioned.
 
#17
were there reports that Daly had soured on the team at the end of the season? Suprising as that was our best stretch.
There is a strong sense within the organization that Dalembert wants to play for a contender or just wants out. He left for vacation in a lousy mood; after being replaced by Cousins during the season finale against the Lakers, the veteran center stormed off the court and was still seething afterward in the locker room.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/23/3721403/ailene-voisin-kings-should-give.html#ixzz1QPCtNjR8
Not sure what she's talking about, though, because Dalembert actually played major minutes in that last game against LA, as Cousins was ejected. So, maybe we should just write this off as Voisin being way off base again.
 
#19
One other "tell" for me is that the Heat REACHED in the draft for Norris Cole. I like Norris Cole alot, but they didnt even attempt to go after a big in the draft or anything to that effect. They could have went after a second round pick or something to at least add some big man depth if they miss out on their targets in free agency (Dally) .. but they didnt do anything to address that position.

I think the Heat are our main competition for Dalembert, and after that we should be next in line.
 

rainmaker

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#20
Also, looks like Big Z is picking up his option, and returning, according to Riley. For Miami, every dollar counts, and that's less money they can throw at a FA's.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#21
One other "tell" for me is that the Heat REACHED in the draft for Norris Cole. I like Norris Cole alot, but they didnt even attempt to go after a big in the draft or anything to that effect. They could have went after a second round pick or something to at least add some big man depth if they miss out on their targets in free agency (Dally) .. but they didnt do anything to address that position.

I think the Heat are our main competition for Dalembert, and after that we should be next in line.
I hate to keep bring this up, but the new CBA will play a huge part in determining what the Heat can and cannot do. If the owners get what they want, the Heat may have bigger problems than trying to figure out how to sign Dalembert.

Going after a PG in the draft wasn't a big surprise. They need help at that position, and when they picked, there were more quality PG's available than there were big men.

Dalembert is at the top of my list, but some of the comments coming from various people bother me. When Reynolds, Grant, and Westphal have spoken about the situation, all three have spoken about Thornton as almost a sure thing. But when speaking about Dalembert, the word "IF" is used. Then Viosin wrote a collumn about Dalembert leaving with negative vives. Its almost as if they're trying to prepare us for Dalemberts departure, and how they really tried to resign him.

And I'm not trying to say that they won't make an effort to resign him. I just saying that maybe they know something we don't. Maybe they know the chances of him wanting to resign aren't good. For whatever reason. If he were a restricted freeagent like Thornton, then he wouldn't have a choice, but he's not. After Dalembert, there aren't really many choices that would be long term, and that would be obtainable. Chandler, and guys like Jordan spring to mind. But the chances would be slim. Short term you could trade for someone like Camby, and then hope that Whiteside is ready to step in the following year. Unlikely me thinks, but who knows.

Przybilla would be a nice aquisition, but not as someone you put in the starting lineup along side of Cousins. He's a backup center at best at this stage of his injury plagued career. A darkhorse in the picture might be Greg Oden. If all else fails, you might be willing to take a gamble and see if you can wrench him away from Portland. It would be a huge gamble, but if it paid off, the reward would be huge. Also not likely!

If no Dalembert, and no Chandler or Jordan, then who? Petrie, when asked about freeagency at his press conference, said that he intends to persue a major frontcourt player. When he said that, I keyed in on two words. Major, and frontcourt. Petrie chooses his words carefully, and he wouldn't have used the word major, if he didn't intend to. As to who he's referring, and whether it was more of a general term than specific, I have no idea.

Finally, Cousins made a bet with some of his teammates that he would come to camp 10 pounds lighter and in better shape. Talk is cheap, but if he does, he should be a little quicker, which would help his defense. History also tells us that players do improve defensively from year one to year two. While our shotblocking might take a hit, pairing Cousins with someone like David West, who is a good defender as well as a good rebounder and scorer, might work. Especially if you could add a good weakside help defender at the SF spot. Like a Kirilenko. Can the Kings afford to aquire two players like West and Kirilenko? Don't know! All just pure speculation anyway..
 
#22
If you don't think Zach Randolph is considerably quicker at guarding PFS, flanked btw for this playoff run I should note by 2 of the Top 5 perimeter defenders in the league than DeMarcus Cousins...sorry. Zach's not much of a defender, but he's been doing his not much of a defender thing for a long tme. We hid Cousins on weak offensive centers with Daly around. You are suggesting next season it could work with Cousins guarding Aldrige and Amare every night. I am suggesting not a prayer.

Just as an aside to the best of my knowledge there has never been a frontcourt pairing with as much girth as people are suddenly suggesting here. NOBODY has ever tried to go 280/280 out there. A reason for that. You can go Twin Towers, but at least one of them has to be mobile enough to cover the PFs.
I'd say they're at the very least close if not equal. Cousins did respectable against guys like Josh Smith and Blake Griffin. Cousins has surprisingly quick feet for as big as he is.
 
#23
Gotta at least try to nab Nene. Petrie should be calling the Nuggets and offering Casspi, Greene, and maybe even JT in a sign and trade. Front load the deal so the Nuggets won't want to match. Whiteside could be that long defensive shot blocker the Kings need. I really want to see the kid get a chance to play. I think he can be everything on offense that Dalembert never will be. Spot up shooter/shot blocker next to Cousins at PF or Nene at C or PF.
 

Bricklayer

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#24
Finally, Cousins made a bet with some of his teammates that he would come to camp 10 pounds lighter and in better shape. Talk is cheap, but if he does, he should be a little quicker, which would help his defense. History also tells us that players do improve defensively from year one to year two. While our shotblocking might take a hit, pairing Cousins with someone like David West, who is a good defender as well as a good rebounder and scorer, might work. Especially if you could add a good weakside help defender at the SF spot. Like a Kirilenko. Can the Kings afford to aquire two players like West and Kirilenko? Don't know! All just pure speculation anyway..
Whoa stop. David West??? We just shipped David West's *** out of here a few months back. Stubby overrated non-rebounding can't defend the paint but I sure do like to shoot turd. Want no more of that. Nor do we unless we want to start going backward in this rebuild so fast we won't even have time to wave goodbye to Reke and Cousins as they ditch this loser franchise.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#25
As I brought up in another thread, and am still waiting for someone to make a better recommendation. If we strike out in free agency, please name a better replacement, and one which is available via trade, other than Varejeo.

No, he's not the best fit, or at the top of my wishlist. But he could most likely be had, is on the trading block apparently, and would fit pretty well next to Cousins.

Racking my brain here, but the only other possible availabe trade targets I see are Mcgee and Biedrins.
 
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As I brought up in another thread, and am still waiting for someone to make a better recommendation. If we strike out in free agency, please name a better replacement, and one which is available via trade, other than Varejeo.

No, he's not the best fit, or at the top of my wishlist. But he could most likely be had, is on the trading block apparently, and would fit pretty well next to Cousins.

Racking my brain here, but the only other possible availabe trade targets I see are Mcgee and Biedrins.
I actually was thinking bout Biedrins today aswell... I'd love to get the Biedrins of a few years ago, but he hasn't been the same player lately. It's an idea... I like Varajao more though.

Camby may be an option aswell. Big contract but its only 1 year.. Good veteran to add, so he'll bring that along with defense and rebounding.
 

rainmaker

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#27
I actually was thinking bout Biedrins today aswell... I'd love to get the Biedrins of a few years ago, but he hasn't been the same player lately. It's an idea... I like Varajao more though.

Camby may be an option aswell. Big contract but its only 1 year.. Good veteran to add, so he'll bring that along with defense and rebounding.
I've watched biedrin a fair amount, living in the bay area. I was very impressed with him a few years ago, when GS had its playoff squad. Been all down hill for him since then. But with everything I read and hear relating to GS, I think a change of scenery is something which can help Biedrins. I think many players just aren't very good, and the change of scenery scenario is used too frequently. But in this case, I think Don Nelson absolutely killed any confidence Biedrins had, and he's been a shell of his former self.
 
#28
We could go after DeAndre Jordan as well. We COULD have had him a few years back if I was the GM when picks were going for cash considerations :) As well as Chalmers hehe.

Anyway, Jordan can defend opposing PFs like Dalembert does and we can hide Cousins against weak centers. I also wouldn't give up on Whiteside just yet. The kid has loads of potential.

IF we cannot sign Dalembert then the team should look something like this..

C-Jordan
PF-Cousins
SF-Salmons
SG-Thorton
PG-Evans

Fredette, Thompson, Casspi, Garcia are all normal rotation players. See where that can take us. Probably 30 or so wins but it would be a fun team to watch. We would also need a 4th big to step in like Jackson did this year in case of foul trouble, and maybe try to get Whiteside in on extreme situations.
 
#29
I hate to keep bring this up, but the new CBA will play a huge part in determining what the Heat can and cannot do. If the owners get what they want, the Heat may have bigger problems than trying to figure out how to sign Dalembert.
Amen brother ! Talk is pointless till we know the playing rules.
 

bajaden

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#30
Whoa stop. David West??? We just shipped David West's *** out of here a few months back. Stubby overrated non-rebounding can't defend the paint but I sure do like to shoot turd. Want no more of that. Nor do we unless we want to start going backward in this rebuild so fast we won't even have time to wave goodbye to Reke and Cousins as they ditch this loser franchise.
Funny, I thought it was Carl Landry's a$$ we shipped out. West is a much better player than Landry. Landry is 6'8'5" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan. West is 6'9.25" with a 7'4.25" wingspan. Which is why West is a much better rebounder than Landry. He's also a much better defender than you give him credit for. He has a plus 6.6 per 48 against his opposition. To put that in perspective, Al Jefferson has a minus 7.5 at the PF position. Boozer has a minus 0.9, and Kirilenko has a plus 4.5. No, he's not a shotblocker, but he's one of the best all around PF's in the NBA.

As I said, I perfer Dalembert, but if one of our options is to go back to the more standard C/PF pairing, then West wouldn't be a bad choice. If you have a better one I'm open to suggestions.