Tony Parker for 7th

Kingster

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My guess why this trade hasn't happened yet:

San Antonio wants to see if the player they want is available at 7. I'm guessing that it's a player Toronto would likely pick which is why SA is in discussions with them. However, Toronto isn't going to take on Jefferson's contract like the Kings will. Would Toronto want Valanciunas? If so, that's got to be who SA wants and it might just happen that he drops to 7 considering his buyout won't make him available for at least a year. (Duncan is aging and they've done the draft and wait thing successfully before with Robinson). That buyout news is pretty recent as well, which would explain why this trade rumor came about just now.

My guess why we know about this trade discussion:

The Kings want to increase the value of the 7th pick and someone leaked it on purpose. The Kings will start getting other offers from other teams and apparently have a lot of interest already. That's why the Spurs are saying that the trade is a longshot. They want to decrease the value of the 7th pick. We came close to getting Deron Williams last season and it would hurt to miss out again. But this is why it's good to have Geoff Petrie in charge and not someone like David Khan. What Khan is doing with the 2nd pick is embarrassing because he's basically admitting the 2nd pick has no value to him. Petrie on the other hand worked out a lot of players and has everyone certain that he likes multiple players at 7 even though that might not be the case.
It might also be that the Kings want to see who is available at #7. I've thought for a while that if they can't get the player(s) they want, they trade the pick.

Interesting speculation on Valanciunas. That's definitely plausible.
 
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Kingsguy881

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Is treading water for a few years until Evans and Cousins are in their primes really a bad thing though? I mean let's be real here. Barring a team of destiny type miracle, the Kings aren't winning the championship next year or the year after that or the year after that. Right now the goal is just to get out of the basement, contend for the playoffs, play quality basketball, and hopefully bring good attendance and regional interest back to the team in the process.

With all the renewed season ticket interest of late, there’s a lot at stake and a lot of pressure on the organization to start winning now. They can’t risk another disappointing season at this juncture and right now I don’t see any better options out there to immediately improve the team than bringing in a 29 year old all star PG with championship experience.

The arena issues and uncertainty of the team’s future in Sacramento are even more reasons why Kings fans should be totally in favor of making some win now moves. We need all the momentum we can get and some winning would go a long way in that regard.

The only person in this draft that really intrigues me is Jimmer but can the Kings afford to take a gamble on him and wait a few years for him to develop if an opportunity to grab Tony Parker is on the table? I don’t think so. Not with the current state of things regarding the Sacramento Kings.
Drafting Jimmer alone would increase interest in the Kings, not to mention the only negative thing Voisin would ever have to say about the Kings going forward is that they need to play Jimmer more.

Picking up Tony Parker would be a disaster of epic proportions. 2 ball dominant guards that can't shoot well. Clog the paint and dare them to shoot. Bad news.
 
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Tetsujin

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Drafting Jimmer alone would increase interest in the Kings, not to mention the only negative thing Voisin would ever have to say about the Kings going forward is that they need to play Jimmer more.

Picking up Tony Parker would be a disaster of epic proportions. 2 ball dominant guards that can't shoot well. Clog the paint and dare them to shoot. Bad news.
See, I don't buy that. Did drafting J.J. Reddick or Adam Morrison increase interest in their respective teams? Not particularly.
 
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Kingsguy881

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yeah, and the thing is, there really aren't any free agents available this year who are better than Tony Parker so I don't know who the folks that are against this are holding their breath for. It's not as if taking Parker kills your chance at getting Howard, Durant, Paul, etc. because those guys aren't available anyways and even if they were, they probably aren't coming here so there's no sense hording cap space for a pipe dream. You've got to strike while the iron is hot so to speak and I just don't see it getting any hotter than Tony Parker.
Dude you don't just go around picking up big name FA because it sounds good. That doesn't even make the team look better on paper. You don't grab a highly paid player because they are a big name if they don't fit on your team. Thats like being the Lakers and trying to get Wade while keeping Kobe.
 
Dude you don't just go around picking up big name FA because it sounds good. That doesn't even make the team look better on paper. You don't grab a highly paid player because they are a big name if they don't fit on your team. Thats like being the Lakers and trying to get Wade while keeping Kobe.
Where did I say anything like "you should pick up big name free agents just because they sound good"?
 
Drafting Jimmer alone would increase interest in the Kings, not to mention the only negative thing Voisin would ever have to say about the Kings going forward is that they need to play Jimmer more.

Picking up Tony Parker would be a disaster of epic proportions. 2 ball dominant guards that can't shoot well. Clog the paint and dare them to shoot. Bad news.
So you'd say someone who shot 51% from the field and 35% on threes last year can't shoot? What percentage does someone have to shoot before you'll say they can shoot?
 
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Kingsguy881

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See, I don't buy that. Did drafting J.J. Reddick or Adam Morrison increase interest in their respective teams? Not particularly.
Yeah? JJ Redick and Adam Morrison weren't NEARLY as popular coming out of college as Jimmer is. Jimmer is HYPED.
 
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Kingsguy881

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So you'd say someone who shot 51% from the field and 35% on threes last year can't shoot? What percentage does someone have to shoot before you'll say they can shoot?
His 3s were wide open thanx to Ginobli and Jefferson spreading the floor and his 51% FG was mostly on layups or 5 foot floaters. We wouldn't have Ginobli spreading the floor, we'd have Tyreke who defenses sag on.
 
His 3s were wide open thanx to Ginobli and Jefferson spreading the floor and his 51% FG was mostly on layups or 5 foot floaters. We wouldn't have Ginobli spreading the floor, we'd have Tyreke who defenses sag on.
And if Jefferson came in the trade, he'd spread the floor here too. plus Thornton can spread the floor and I have faith that Tyreke will develop into a decent long range shooter.
 
Your post intimated that. Why don't you address the 'picking up a big name FA that does pretty much the same thing as your current 'pg'?
I don't see how you'd get that out if it. I mentioned big name free agents because I'm wondering if that's what folks that are against the Parker trade are holding out for. I don't see how Parker does pretty much the same think as Tyreke. from what I've seen Parker can run an offense much better than Tyreke.
 
Fair enough but I'm not very sure that his popularity in college will completely translate to the NBA.
The point I would make is that there is no comparison between Jimmer and either Reddick or Morrison. He is more talented and more athletic than either of them. Jimmer is NOT a one dimentional scorer like those two players. And he can create his own shot, which is something neither of them were even able to do at the college level.
 

Spike

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I only watch ESPN when a game is on. Other than that, it's pretty useless. The "E" has taken over. Now I just use Yahoo! sports online. Saves me a ton of headaches and hair-pulling.
 

Glenn

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I only watch ESPN when a game is on. Other than that, it's pretty useless. The "E" has taken over. Now I just use Yahoo! sports online. Saves me a ton of headaches and hair-pulling.
.... and there is better info about the Kings right here than elsewhere. We just can't chat with team executives.
 

kingsboi

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I'm 50/50 on getting Tony. Yes, he's an experienced vet with some jewelry to show for it and he's still 29, he got plenty of years left in him. However, he isn't that good of a shooter so I don't see how him and Reke would really co-exist. Even if they did, I don't think I want to kill our cap space adding RJ, I was never a fan of his. I'd rather keep the pick then.
 
This trade reminds me a lot of the Raiders trading a 1st rounder for an aging Richard Seymour a couple years ago. Pats were kinda in the same situation that the Spurs are in now, they could win a lot of games, but just weren't good enough to get it done in the postseason, and had a lot of expensive, older guys on the team. Both these teams are smart enough to start moving a few guys a little early and maximize the value, while saving money and adding youth.

Everyone thought that it was a bad trade for the Raiders, Seymour was too old and cost to much to be worth a first rounder. But Seymour came in and changed the whole attitude of the team and suddenly guys who had talent but were underachieving were looking solid and sometimes overachieving. Seymour had made a huge impact for that team off the field. I think if you have a chance to add Parker who has been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league, is a finals MVP, along with Jefferson, who I view as a pretty good guy, not getting into trouble or anything, maybe he gets a little too touchy-feely with Luke Walton at times, but he has been to a bunch of postseasons and a couple Finals, so he would come into the team and show that maybe the way he acts and trains is the way it should be done. Its kinda pathetic that the leader of this team (Francisco, who I really like) has never played int he playoffs. If you come in with a bad attitude what credentials does Francisco have to tell you how to be? Its just too much talent too pass on, and this team spent a lot of time putting itself into a position of making a talent for money type of trade and they need to cash in on it.
 
You can always trade Jefferson. I'm sure there's an idiot GM out there that would love a vet. Kahn or MJ perhaps.
Or us. If it happens.

For what it's worth, which isn't much but might be worth noting, here's what Givony tweeted about the proposed deal:

Cannot believe Sacramento is legitimately considering taking on Richard Jefferson's awful contract AND giving up the #7 pick. Terrible trade
He also said that Kings apparently really like Klay Thompson, not just Leonard and Fredette.
 
It's a crappy contract, but is eating the salary worth filling the team's two biggest needs? Maybe not if you lose Sammy.

The Kings capspace isn't for signing a big name FA. It's for absorbing salary in trade or for overpaying for a guy of Jefferson's level in Free Agency to make them come here.
 
I will say this .. someone tweeted about an hour ago, I cant even remember who cause my brain is pretty much turning to mush will all this trade talk, but someone said Sac wont deal for Parker because of his contract, but Felton for 7 is still in play.

I would take Parker and the bad Jefferson contract before I take a one year rental on Felton any day of the week. Felton for #7 would be a terrible trade. One of Petries worst. It cant be even remotely true.
 
The Spurs trying to saddle Jefferson's contract along with Parker's isn't helping anyone. No one would ever do that trade. I actually thought Jefferson played well this year but he might have benefited from SAS's strong season in general, so there's skepticism there. Not to mention that two aging athletes with middling long-range J's won't age well, so no one will take them in duplicate. One toxic contract and one potentially likely toxic contract for a high lottery pick would be highway robbery.
 
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