New York going after Daly?

#1
I was thinking this senario would have either New York or Miami I don't think we can even over pay to keep him. I am on my phone I will post links when I get home. More I think about it Kanter is looking like a bpa/insurance or JT gets his starting job back but I personally think be is a perfect 3rd big.
 

rainmaker

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#2
Here you go.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213498/Knicks_Targeting_Dalembert_In_Free_Agency

and the NY post

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/sights_on_samuel_4cHTQNXaQO4R6rrCC30unI

The Knicks realize some top free agents likely will stay put or be out of their financial range. Memphis' Marc Gasol and Dallas' Tyson Chandler are expected to re-sign, and the Clippers probably will match an offer to the young DeAndre Jordan.

That's where Dalembert comes in. According to a source, Dalembert likely would choose the Knicks if their offer is comparable with any others.

Dalembert has strong New York-area ties. He played his senior year in high school at St. Patrick's in Elizabeth, N.J., before heading to Seton Hall. An avid fundraiser for Haiti's economic plight, he also likes the visibility of being a voice for New York's large Haitian population.

If the new labor agreement still contains the $6 million mid-level exception, the Knicks will be in the ballgame. The Kings have two young big men in DeMarcus Cousins and Jason Thompson and may not pay big for Dalembert.




Looks to me like Mr Berman didn't do his homework. Not suprising. What source did he make up? This is complete speculation, and speculation based on if the Knicks will have a mid level exception under the new CBA for $6M per. We could easily offer $7-9M over 4-5 years, which is what I've said Dally deserves all along. But the speculation about Dally wanting to be closer to the NY area Hatian population would be the same as me speculating about how both he and his agent have said they want to play in Sac, and are happy Sac wanted Dally, and went after him and tried to trade for him for over a year, and therefor we have the upper leg over everyone else.
 
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#4
Not surprising at all. Both the Heat and Knicks were trying to trade for Sammy before the trade deadline. He fits the playing style of both teams. But the most the heat can pay him is MLE, assuming we'll still have that after the new CBA.

The Knicks are rumored to be very interested in Marc Gasol as well.

We have more cap space that either team and can give Sammy a longer contract, but not sure the Maloofs would want to lock him up for too long. We'll see.
 
#6
Sammy never seemed like the type to be captivated by the New York MSG thing.

The Heat will sell him the he may make less money, but he will will championships, which I think he would as Sammy would really help them out. Heck the Heat might win it all this year already.
 

rainmaker

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#7
I'm looking at the Knick salary situation right now. Remember, they just picked up the $14.2M option on Billups. They're on the books for $59.7M next year. A lot will depend on the CBA, but I've heard the cap will be somewhere between $54M and as high as $62-63M. Either way, doesn't leave them anywhere enough room to bid against us. If Dally were to go to NY or Miami, he'd have to take a huge paycut.

Miami has $65.3M committed in salary next year. All they could offer is the vet minimum.
 
#8
I'm looking at the Knick salary situation right now. Remember, they just picked up the $14.2M option on Billups. They're on the books for $59.7M next year. A lot will depend on the CBA, but I've heard the cap will be somewhere between $54M and as high as $62-63M. Either way, doesn't leave them anywhere enough room to bid against us. If Dally were to go to NY or Miami, he'd have to take a huge paycut.

Miami has $65.3M committed in salary next year. All they could offer is the vet minimum.
He could take mle for playoffs and chance at rings... We can't guarantee that.
 

funkykingston

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#9
I don't see Dalembert taking far less money to play for the Knicks.

New York has $59 million in committed salary ($58 mil if they don't pick up Bill Walker's option) and this years' cap was $58 million meaning they will have no cap room. At best they could offer Dalembert the MLE which this year was $5.8 million. Considering the Kings could sign him to a deal starting at $10 million or more I don't see him bolting for the Big Apple.

Again, there are no contending teams with significant cap room AND the Kings have Dalembert's Bird Rights. Unless he flat out doesn't want to play in Sacramento or is wanting to chase a ring (neither of which seem the case) I think he's back in a Kings uniform next season.

Edit: Too slow on my response yet again, and rainmaker beat me to it. I have to learn to type faster. . .
 
#10
Dalembert's is going to make some $, from somebody, and around 10 million per would be my guess. Is he worth it to the Kings? I'd rather the Kings overspend on Nene and draft Kanter too, if available.
 

rainmaker

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#11
He could take mle for playoffs and chance at rings... We can't guarantee that.
I don't think the NY roster is any closer to a ring 2 years from now than we are, if we resign Dally/Thornton, Reke/Cous mature, and we draft wisely or sign a starting sf. And that's if they have a mid level to use in the first place.
 

funkykingston

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#12
Dalembert's is going to make some $, from somebody, and around 10 million per would be my guess. Is he worth it to the Kings? I'd rather the Kings overspend on Nene and draft Kanter too, if available.
I like Nene. He's a far better offensive threat who makes better decisions with the ball than Dalembert and plays with more passion and intensity. That said, he's also less durable and doesn't rebound or block shots as well as Dalembert. I think Nene is a better player, I think Dalembert fits a bit better.

But the problem is that they aren't really equal options. Dalembert is the Kings' free agent. We have his bird rights, he's familiar with the team and played some very good basketball for Sacramento. On the other hand, Nene is Denver's free agent which means they have his bird rights and the inside track on keeping him. Going after Nene WOULD mean a bidding war with Denver that I don't see the Kings winning. Dalembert will be courted by many teams but there's not one that's better than the Kings who can shell out the kind of money Petrie can offer him.

What I'd love to see happen this offseason
Resign Dalembert and Thornton
Sign Kirilenko
Trade Casspi for a veteran, rebounding big
Draft the best available player (Derrick Williams would be nice)
Upgrade the end of the bench with low cost/short contract veteran roleplayers
 

Bricklayer

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#13
Look, the fact of the matter is that BECAUSE of our rebuild, BECAUSE we planned ahead for this summer, there is NOBODY who can outbid us for players we want. Could we lose a guy because he wants to play in a certain city, or a more immediate winner? Sure. But any local hack (and rem this is he NY press we are talking about -- everybody always wants to play in NY as far as they concerend, because how could they not?) suggesting that their team is going to make soime big financial play for one of our guys is kidding himself. We may be small market, we may have poor owners, but in the world of free agency we are the big kahuna this year.
 
#15
Cousins/Evans are a couple years from FA, so I wouldn't mind front loading (overpaying) in the short term to keep Daly.

As many times as he makes me want to bang my head, he is exactly what this team has needed for the past decade. As long as Daly doesn't get carried away with his post game, he is the perfect compliment to JT and Cuz. To lose him now would just suck.
 
#16
Cousins/Evans are a couple years from FA, so I wouldn't mind front loading (overpaying) in the short term to keep Daly.

As many times as he makes me want to bang my head, he is exactly what this team has needed for the past decade. As long as Daly doesn't get carried away with his post game, he is the perfect compliment to JT and Cuz. To lose him now would just suck.
thats a good idea.
 

Kingster

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#17
I could see the Rockets going for Dalembert as well.
...and I could easily see Golden State going after him. There are probably going to be several teams going after him. I just don't want the Kings to overpay for him. He's a one-dimensional shot blocker/rebounder with a very inconsistent offensive game. Some games you don't know if he has hands, others it looks like he's a smooth offensive player. He and Cousins together can match up with some teams, but neither Dalembert nor Cousins can guard people away from the basket, so there are issues there. Personally, I think Dalembert is a very temporary stop-gap, say two years, three years max, and then to go to another level the Kings would have to trade him. So I'm not all that gung-ho about signing him to a long term deal with a lot of dollars.
 
#18
It looks like Sammy is going to get money and some choice on where he might play. Not surprising after his career to date. I hope I'm right in thinking he is happy here and that management wants him.
 

Bricklayer

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#19
He's a one-dimensional shot blocker/rebounder with a very inconsistent offensive game.
Which is to say he is one of the most important pieces in winning basketball. Srs Chandler, Haywood, Ibaka, Perkins, Noah etc. wave to you from the 2nd round of the playoffs. Every team needs that guy, we have him. Be flat out dumb to give him up. But then again that kind of dumbness is why some teams exist perpetually in the lottery.
 

bajaden

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#20
I'm not about to get alarmed because the Knicks see Dalembert in their future. So far, there have been at least three players that they're lusting after in the next freeagency period. As my grandmother used to say. "You've got a big appetite, but no money". Dalembert is an unrestricted freeagent in a league thats short on true centers. Especially those with defensive skills. So you have to expect teams to be interested. Fortunately for us, most of the teams with the desire, don't have the money under the cap. Those that do have the money, don't have as much as we do, and in a lot of the cases, have more pressing needs.

Both the Warriors and the Rockets have about 8 mil under the cap, based on last years cap, to work with. So we offer 8.5 mil. Remember, because of the Bird rights, the percentage of raise per year is higher if he resigns with us. That can add up to a couple of million dollars over a three or four year contract. Personally, if Dalembert wants a 4 year contract, I'm a little concerned. The only way I would do it is if the last year is a team option. In the perfect world I'd like his contract to end the same year that one of our major freeagents contract comes to an end.

Now if the league retains the rule where teams can go over the cap to resign their own freeagents, and the Maloofs have deep pockets in that regard, then its a moot point. So until we see the new CBA, who knows.
 

gunks

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#21
I'm not about to get alarmed because the Knicks see Dalembert in their future. So far, there have been at least three players that they're lusting after in the next freeagency period. As my grandmother used to say. "You've got a big appetite, but no money". Dalembert is an unrestricted freeagent in a league thats short on true centers. Especially those with defensive skills. So you have to expect teams to be interested. Fortunately for us, most of the teams with the desire, don't have the money under the cap. Those that do have the money, don't have as much as we do, and in a lot of the cases, have more pressing needs.

Both the Warriors and the Rockets have about 8 mil under the cap, based on last years cap, to work with. So we offer 8.5 mil. Remember, because of the Bird rights, the percentage of raise per year is higher if he resigns with us. That can add up to a couple of million dollars over a three or four year contract. Personally, if Dalembert wants a 4 year contract, I'm a little concerned. The only way I would do it is if the last year is a team option. In the perfect world I'd like his contract to end the same year that one of our major freeagents contract comes to an end.

Now if the league retains the rule where teams can go over the cap to resign their own freeagents, and the Maloofs have deep pockets in that regard, then its a moot point. So until we see the new CBA, who knows.
Therein lies the problem. I have no faith in the Maloofs to spend anymore. Not because they dont want to, but because they cant.

We may have seen the last of Dally. I think its probably 50/50 he resigns with us, if that. Ah well.
 
#22
Therein lies the problem. I have no faith in the Maloofs to spend anymore. Not because they dont want to, but because they cant.
We may have seen the last of Dally. I think its probably 50/50 he resigns with us, if that. Ah well.
If that's true, they're gonna be in a lot of trouble. They've claimed to not be in financial trouble and they've said they're spending money this summer. They've said that under the watchful eye of Stern. If they then go and spend nothing and embark on another cheapo season, it will be more clear than ever that they're unfit to be NBA owners and that would not bode well for them with Stern and the rest of the NBA.
 

Bricklayer

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#23
Therein lies the problem. I have no faith in the Maloofs to spend anymore. Not because they dont want to, but because they cant.

We may have seen the last of Dally. I think its probably 50/50 he resigns with us, if that. Ah well.
Um.. there is NO contract the Knicks can offer Daly that would even remotely exceed our spending capacity. Lest you forget, we are something like $15mil below what we were just last year with everybody coming of the books, and are sitting on $27mil of salary. Who knows what the new CBA says, but under the old one we would have to get back up to $43 mil just to avoid having to pay a penalty.

Throw in the Maloofs saying in the last few days they WILL resign Daly and the risk is really not that great unless he actually wants to go elsewhere.
 

Kingster

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Which is to say he is one of the most important pieces in winning basketball. Srs Chandler, Haywood, Ibaka, Perkins, Noah etc. wave to you from the 2nd round of the playoffs. Every team needs that guy, we have him. Be flat out dumb to give him up. But then again that kind of dumbness is why some teams exist perpetually in the lottery.
... and the Kings would have to be flat out dumb to sign him to a long term contract with mega dollars. He's a rotation guy. Not a long term answer at the power forward position.
 

Bricklayer

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#25
... and the Kings would have to be flat out dumb to sign him to a long term contract with mega dollars. He's a rotation guy. Not a long term answer at the power forward position.
Indeed.

Well...of course again unless you are actually planning on winning long term.

Exactly who do people think Udonis Haslem, Antonio Davis, Charles Oakley, PJ Brown, AC Green etc. etc. were? I'll tell you what they were -- they were defending/rebounding hardhat players that you stick next to your great center to do all the dirty work. They weren't great offensive talents. Nothing they did was pretty.

Dalembert was 4th in the NBA in rebs/48 at 16.3. Only Love, Howard and Humphries were better.
Dalembert was 12th in the NBA in blks/48 at 2.9.

And he has done these things for years and years. NBA ranks in rebs/48 and blks/48 over Daly's career:

10-11: 4th Rebs/48; 12th Blks/48
09-10: 3rd Rebs/48; 7th Blks/48
08-09: 5th Rebs/48; 5th Blks/48
07-08: 13th Rebs/48; 6th Blks/48
06-07: 16th Rebs/48; 13th Blks/48
05-06: 8th Rebs/48; 6th Blks/48
04-05: 12th Rebs/48; 15th Blks/48
03-04: 15th Rebs/48; 4th Blks/48

Which is another way of saying he's every bit good enough to be a good team's long term starter. Or were you perhaps thinking all these playoff teams chasing him were planning on offering him peanuts to be a 10th man?
 
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Kingster

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Indeed.

Well...of course again unless you are actually planning on winning long term.

Exactly who do people think Udonis Haslem, Antonio Davis, Charles Oakley, PJ Brown, AC Green etc. etc. were? I'll tell you what they were -- they were defending/rebounding hardhat players that you stick next to your great center to do all the dirty work. They weren't great offensive talents. Nothing they did was pretty.

Dalembert was 4th in the NBA in rebs/48 at 16.3. Only Love, Howard and Humphries were better.
Dalembert was 12th in the NBA in blks/48 at 2.9.

And he has done these things for years and years. NBA ranks in rebs/48 and blks/48 over Daly's career:

10-11: 4th Rebs/48; 12th Blks/48
09-10: 3rd Rebs/48; 7th Blks/48
08-09: 5th Rebs/48; 5th Blks/48
07-08: 13th Rebs/48; 6th Blks/48
06-07: 16th Rebs/48; 13th Blks/48
05-06: 8th Rebs/48; 6th Blks/48
04-05: 12th Rebs/48; 15th Blks/48
03-04: 15th Rebs/48; 4th Blks/48

Which is another way of saying he's every bit good enough to be a good team's long term starter. Or were you perhaps thinking all these playoff teams chasing him were planning on offering him peanuts to be a 10th man?
He does make a nice long term fit - for Golden State, NY, Miami, Atlanta. He'd be great for those teams long term. Just not for the Kings, long term. He's a nice stop-gap for the Kings to fit in while Cuz is learning the ropes and maturing, and in certain situations in which he and Cuz can match up because they don't have to match up with a pf who has some quicks and an outside shot.
 
#30
One advantage is that if Westphal stays around, and that is likely, Dalembert was involved in the offense. That is something that, along with a hefty salary, could hold some sway. He still recalls coaches discouraging him on offense in Philly. With #1 on the floor for the Knicks, he would probably be expected to only rebound and defend.