Prospect watch 2011

bajaden

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Perry can without a doubt play the 3, and I'd say it's likely that it will end up his primary position within a few years. Especially since he's not a very good rebounder. He has the speed, quickness, athleticism, ball-handling etc. to play the 3 easily, and still be better at those things than most 3s in the NBA. That's what's so intriguing about him.

If we pick in the 5-7 range, I'd be happy with P Jones. He has so much talent. It's a mystery why he wasn't more impressive during his freshman season. He really does have all the tools. But he's too passive. And it worries people, including myself. Still, if you can get him to be more assertive and to believe in his abilities, you might end up having a legit star, or at least an upgraded version of Odom. That would be huge.

His demeanour is worrying though. And I'm not sure about his smarts or charisma off the court (which is usually what your star players have).
First off, when I mentioned doing something illegal, it wasn't anything that broke the law. Bad choice of words on my part. Lets just say that I misrepresented myself to a couple of organizations, and gained acceptance by doing so. So the worse that could happen is that I would be expelled from these organizations. I certainly hope that doesn't happen because I've been able to gain a wealth of knowledge since joining.

That aside, I believe that Perry Jones would have to play SF in the NBA. I can't seriously imagine him trying to hold position against some of the PF's in the league. I've watched him play in at least 20 plus games. Some of which I watched twice. In all those games, I saw one game where he looked like the player that was advertized at the beginning of the season. Then spread out through the rest of the games, you would see flashes of his ability from time to time. Other than rebounding, there is no aspect of the game he doesn't have the ability to play at a high level.

Therein lies the rub. Because all you see are brief glimpses of what he's capable. I tried to convince myself that it was the system that was holding him back. Similar to Favors at Georgia Tech last year. Later in the year I thought it might be playing along side of LaceDarius Dunn, who was trying to set the all time scoring record at Baylor, and as a result, became a black hole in which the ball disappeared. It certainly didn't help him to be playing the center position in Bayor's scheme. But at some point, you have to think there's something wrong with this kid. He just has too much talent to not explode from time to time.

He has terrific size and length. He handles the ball like a guard. He's an excellent passer. His jumpshot is almost picture perfect. Add in that he's a freak athlete who runs like a deer and has terrific hops, and you have to ask yourself, whats the problem? Not only did he not wow me, he bored me most of the time. He's truely one of those kids that you wish would stay for a couple of more years so you can get a true read on him. Is he what you've seen this year, or is he a superstar waiting in the wings. I sure wish to hell I knew.
 

bajaden

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I pray I am missing sarcasm. Baja, you are a freaking treasure of info for this forum. If you are "too old" for anything, it's to disappear because some teenager shows too much bravado on a message board. If you do, then start a freaking blog. I actually trust your take on college players more than some of the so called ESPN, Draftexpress, nbadraft.com experts.
I appreciate the compliment, but I've certainly made my share of mistakes. I won't go so far as to say I missed on Durant, but I will admit he turned out to be better than I thought he'd be. The most difficult part to judge with any player, is the amount of work their willing to put in once in the NBA. The special players are never content with where they're at. While others are happy to just be where they are. Derrick Coleman always springs to mind as a player that could have been the greatest PF of all time, but was content to just be what he was. Which by the way, was still a very good player. So talent level being equal, its the intangibles that separate the great one's from the, just good one's. And most of those intangibles are carefully hidden between the players ears.
 

Glenn

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I appreciate the compliment, but I've certainly made my share of mistakes. I won't go so far as to say I missed on Durant, but I will admit he turned out to be better than I thought he'd be. The most difficult part to judge with any player, is the amount of work their willing to put in once in the NBA. The special players are never content with where they're at. While others are happy to just be where they are. Derrick Coleman always springs to mind as a player that could have been the greatest PF of all time, but was content to just be what he was. Which by the way, was still a very good player. So talent level being equal, its the intangibles that separate the great one's from the, just good one's. And most of those intangibles are carefully hidden between the players ears.
I think you are too old and just because you know everything about college basketball, shouldn't be taken into account. Any teeneager can take facts from many sources and scrunch them all together in one wonderful post.

Or maybe not. The ego of youth seems to add aggression in the expression of knowledge. Imagine me 40 years ago. :)

Let me add: some players are devoted to basketball and the Coleman example is great. I heard a story about the Celtics on the road. The guys wanted to go out so they went to Larry Bird's room in the afternoon. He was napping. He was saving energy for the game. The guys were surprised. This is something some youngsters learn. It's a long season and rest is crucial. So are other things, of course. The point being is there are great athletes who can do well because of they are great athletes. There also are great athletes who work at it or nap at it and they become legends. Coleman is not a legend and could have been.

In a recent LeBron sighting at ARCO, a King showed up at 4 PM for a 7PM game and there was LeBron alone in the gym working on his shot. LeBron will be one of the best in history but doesn't seem to be satisfied just with that. He isn't flamboyant (Jordan), he isn't unbelievably dominant (Chamberlain), and may not hang around long enough (Kareem), but he wants to be the best.
 
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bajaden

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Why are you bringing up age?
I think because I said I was getting too old for this. So I'm to blame, if there is blame. I better stop before I confuse myself.. Its dangerous confusing yourself when your older. You immediately wonder if its just confusion, or senility. I guess being senile is better than being stupid. The problem is, you can't remember what it is that might have made you feel stupid. So once again, your confused, and the circle continues.
 

bajaden

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Baylor's offensive system kind of freezes out bigs though.
Particularly true this year with Dunn on a quest, and the team losing Tweety Carter at the end of last season, thereby leaving them without a PG. But lets not forget that Udoh, a player with fewer skills than Jones, managed to stand out on that team and make his presence felt last year. With Jones, its not a question of ability, its a question of personal desire.
 

bajaden

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I'll stay out of the Terrence Jones discussion because I don't think I watched him play enough to have an informed opinion one way or another. But with regards to Perry Jones, who I'm equally afraid of for the same reason (his college season was...disappointing), if we end up slipping in the lottery like we seem to every year and we're picking 6th or 7th and Perry Jones is still available, is there a point at which the potential reward is worth the risk? We do have a hole to fill at SF.

I'm mainly posing the question as a hypothetical. Even as I ask I'm leaning towards no because our team historically hasn't been the best environment for developing talented but enigmatic young SFs. On the other hand, we are in ideal position to take a shot at the home run pick right now with two potential star players already on the roster (maybe 3 with Thornton). He's not going to be asked to do a lot right away. It could end up being a Darko situation where he's buried on the bench for years, except that I think Perry Jones is legitimately talented -- not just size and athleticism but significant ball skills as well. He must have some kind of a work ethic just to have gotten where he is now.
You bring up good points in your last paragraph, and particularly your last sentence. If he didn't have at least a decent work ethic, how did he become so skilled? Thats an excellent question, and its the question that keeps me interested in Jones. He wasn't born with a basketball in his hands. At least I don't think so. He was born with outstanding athleticism, but he had to learn those skills. Perhaps he was just mentally, or emotionally dominated by Dunn and Anthony Jones, one of the other forwards on the team. Its possible that, rather than assert himself the way one would have expected, he instead stepped into the shadows so they could have the spotlight. Especially Dunn, who I think hurt himself this year with his selfish play. Dunn is a talented player, and with the right approach could have been a 1st round selection. Instead I think he'll go somewhere in the middle of the second round.

I think the individual workouts will determine where P. Jones is drafted.
 
Particularly true this year with Dunn on a quest, and the team losing Tweety Carter at the end of last season, thereby leaving them without a PG. But lets not forget that Udoh, a player with fewer skills than Jones, managed to stand out on that team and make his presence felt last year. With Jones, its not a question of ability, its a question of personal desire.
I agree, but I still think for the sake of fariness, it should be pointed out.
 
I do like T jones but god knows this team already has a underachiever named Donte, we really need another steal in this draft. I am alittle nervous about either Jones.
I see where you are going with this. However, I'm not sure Donte will ever work hard enough or care enough to reach his potential. Jones can embody everything we like about Donte, but with more passion and fire. In other words, I would hesitate to draft Jones because Donte is on the roster.
 
I appreciate the compliment, but I've certainly made my share of mistakes. I won't go so far as to say I missed on Durant, but I will admit he turned out to be better than I thought he'd be. The most difficult part to judge with any player, is the amount of work their willing to put in once in the NBA. The special players are never content with where they're at. While others are happy to just be where they are. Derrick Coleman always springs to mind as a player that could have been the greatest PF of all time, but was content to just be what he was. Which by the way, was still a very good player. So talent level being equal, its the intangibles that separate the great one's from the, just good one's. And most of those intangibles are carefully hidden between the players ears.

Kind of the difference between a KMart and a Douby. Both talented, scrawny college scorers, but one worked his tail off and the other is Quincy Douby.
 
Well, underachiever is a relative term, so it all depends.
true, I mean Donte has the potential to be the 2nd or 3rd best player on this team, height, hops, defensive ability....he is wasting it all. I wonder sometimes if maybe Cousins trying to punk him might have made him take a step back. if there is a lockout season donte better really WORK hard on his game. coming in camp heavy, always joking seems to never be serious. I honestly think if this offseason no improvement he is done either traded or not resigned.
 

bajaden

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true, I mean Donte has the potential to be the 2nd or 3rd best player on this team, height, hops, defensive ability....he is wasting it all. I wonder sometimes if maybe Cousins trying to punk him might have made him take a step back. if there is a lockout season donte better really WORK hard on his game. coming in camp heavy, always joking seems to never be serious. I honestly think if this offseason no improvement he is done either traded or not resigned.
I doubt Cousins enters the conversation when talking about Donte. If anything, it should have been a motivator. Everyone has a shield they hide behind. I suspect with Donte, its his percieved sense of humor. I really doubt he's happy about the way his career has gone. Of course he's at least partly responsible for the outcome, but thats a separate issue. There are doer's and there are dreamers in the world. The dreamers spend most of their time dreaming of being a do'er. They dream the results, without the hard work it takes to get the result. The hope of course is that at some point, they realize that dreaming about something won't make it a reality.

I would like to know just how much time Donte puts in working on his shot and developing other aspects of his game. I guarantee you, that if you take 500 shots a day from a particular spot on the floor, your going to start making more of them. As Ken Venturi once said. "The more I practice, the luckier I get". Hopefully a light will go off in Donte's head and he'll spend the whole offseason working on his game. He's still young enough to turn this thing around.
 

bajaden

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Yeah I was referring to Cousins maybe swing how sonte is and that is why intact he swung on him.
Larry, mi amigo, you need to run that one by me again. I think the wind blew some of the letters away. Or, your sending code.. Could be my comprehension skills going to the dogs.
 
Larry, mi amigo, you need to run that one by me again. I think the wind blew some of the letters away. Or, your sending code.. Could be my comprehension skills going to the dogs.
damn iphone!!! hahaha What I was trying to say was I think....I hope Cousins punking Donte might have made him take a step back and look at the opportunity he is blowing.
 

bajaden

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damn iphone!!! hahaha What I was trying to say was I think....I hope Cousins punking Donte might have made him take a step back and look at the opportunity he is blowing.
Ahhhh! Comprende! Thanks for the clarification. Maybe one of these days I'll meet you for a cervesa on the river walk...
 
I could see that guy next to DMC down the line...
Yeah, he's got the potential to protect the paint and guard PF's. He's 6'9 with a 7'7 wingspan and 9'3 standing reach, and he's very explosive. I can see him rising up pretty high by the time of the draft.

This draft may end up being dominated by international players. They know it's weaker in the college ranks this year, and that they have the option of staying overseas during the lockout while retaining the current CBA's rookie scale salaries.
 
Meh.. No thanks to Bismack Biyombo. Every year it seems some relitively unknown player (unknown to the majority of fans) comes in and everyone jumps on the bandwagon only for him to turn out to be a Saer Sene or something.

I think we should draft best available, and I know 100% without a doubt it won't be Bismack Biyombo.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Meh.. No thanks to Bismack Biyombo. Every year it seems some relitively unknown player (unknown to the majority of fans) comes in and everyone jumps on the bandwagon only for him to turn out to be a Saer Sene or something.
And sometimes he turns out to be a Serge Ibaka.

I think we should draft best available, and I know 100% without a doubt it won't be Bismack Biyombo.
We can still drop to #9 if things go as badly as possible...and with guys like Barnes/Knight/Jones boys yet to declare for the draft, pickings might be thin enough for Biyombo to be the BPA. We'll have to wait and see. At any rate, dude is clearly quite athletic and has a nose for the shot block...
 
Here's DX's tweets on him:

DraftExpress: RT @HoopConsultants: Bismack Biyombo can be a rugged tough NBA big. Plays too hard & is too committed to defensively not to be an NBA player
2011-04-10 12:03:52
DraftExpress: This is a joke. Bismack Biyombo blocking shots with his elbow now. Who cares how old he is? How high does he go after this?
2011-04-09 11:56:03
DraftExpress: Saer Sene couldn't get off the bench for Pepinster, the worst team in Belgium. Bismack Biyombo plays for a playoff team in Spain.
2011-04-09 11:49:57
DraftExpress: For those saying Bismack Biyombo is just another Saer Sene, he's been doing this same stuff for a while now in the ACB. Totally different.
2011-04-09 11:43:12
DraftExpress: Bismack Biyombo had zero experience, but came into ACB and immediately led the league in blocks. That's how you know he's something special.
2011-04-09 11:32:58
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile...le/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/tweets/#ixzz1JAC4E8P3
http://www.draftexpress.com

Here's an excerpt from a DX Nike Hoop Summit article:

Biyombo stands out immediately when he walks into the gym. He sports a chiseled frame (measured 4.8 % body fat) with broad shoulders and an incredible 7'7” wingspan, and as we saw during some of the brief 5 on 5 sessions, he has an outstanding motor, which makes him a terror on the glass and on the defensive end. He also looks to be a very mature player with a great attitude, often seen encouraging teammates, talking with the coaching staff, and helping others with instructions. The experience he's garnered seeing heavy minutes in the top league in the world outside the NBA—the Spanish ACB--over the past few months was very evident.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nike-Hoop-Summit-Practices-Day-Two-3664/#ixzz1JACqhQUM
http://www.draftexpress.com
 

gunks

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I wouldnt mind us trading down to get more picks if possible. Or even shipping out one of our SFs for a pick.

Seems like if we miss out on the top tier guys we might as well try to grab as many high potential mid to low draftees as possible and hope we hit one out of the park.


I'm intrigued with any hyper athletic shot blocker. So I wouldnt be incredibly disappointed if we go the Biyombo route. Then we can nab Thabeet from the Rockets. With those two and Whiteside, we're bound to find our Dally replacement! :p
 
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