after this whole saga, IF the kings end up staying, with this new story breaking through, do you think the fan base will become rejuvenated for their passion for the kings and bring back hte arco thunder? I know personally that this scare hit me and the relief that would follow would instill a newfound passion for the team, I will be happy to just have a team and not whine about losing games and such. Hell, maybe that was the Maloofs plan all along haha, to scare us into bringing back the thunder
could this whole ordeal be a blessing in disguise?
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IMO 'Arco Thunder' will only come back if the team performs better. Fans will be relieved that the team did not leave but the team still has to improve and the economy is still in the tank. The economy IS keeping people away from attending games. I think some fans will be mad for the Maloofs even thinking of moving but since the season is about to wrap up people will have time to forget during the summer. The new arena will definitely bring the 'Arco Thunder' back. By then (2-3 more seasons) this team should be well improved and have a little taste of playoffs in their mouths. The no-new-arena crowd/Kings haters will be super pissed off. LMAO. Anaheim will feel punked, too. Hope springs eternal.
Maybe, maybe not. Given what many have said about the Maloofs lately, how could they ever seriously come back and root for the team? You can't come on here, or other forums/Bee, and practically say the Maloofs are doing the devils work, and they're horrible human beings, and then come running back if they happen to stay. Well you could, but you'd be a hypocritical shmuck.
Sure, some may. By no means am I talking about the majority. But some of the things I've seen and read, are completely over the line, ignore the facts, and blame the maloofs for everthing that is wrong with this franchise. Some fans, on here to, have already stopped watching. Some have said they're done with the NBA altogether. When I read things like that, the players on the court don't matter. If you really like some of our players, you'd follow them here, Anaheim, or Moscow. If you really love basketball, you'd never consider not following the NBA as a whole. Some are already acting as of the Maloofs have signed on the dotted line, and the Anaheim deal is complete, while bashing others for donating money or going to a city council meeting to show support.
I'm just praying this rumored deal goes through, and Sac gets an arena.
I'm just praying this rumored deal goes through, and Sac gets an arena.
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That's anger, emotion, and hurt feelings talking. A lot of people are disgusted and depressed at the idea of losing The Kings. Naturally that's going to be directed at the Maloofs since they are the ones initiating the thing. I still say none of that matters and would be water under the bridge very quickly as soon as folks know the team is staying. I stopped watching games not because I wanted to but because watching them was seriously bumming and stressing me out. I'd be right back into it though if I knew they were staying. I don't buy the "if you were a real fan you'd still root for them and watch them" bit for a second. That's piffle. Regional ties run deep with many sports fans and for many folks, their loyalty doesn't just transfer to another zip code. Sure I could still root for the players in Anaheim, but I could never root for my hometown team again. That's a huge difference.
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It could and that's been my hope for the last month. I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done. I wasn't very optimistic about that happening but it appears to be coming to fruition.
Bottom line....I root for the team, not the owners. If the Kings stay, I will be so happy.
If the Kings stay, which is still the biggest and most uncertain issue, it will only prove again, that the only way to get a new arena/stadium is for a team to actually threaten to leave. I wonder why people are more motivated to act by the real threat of losing something? Sometimes humna nature is strange.
God I hope this rumor is true. God, if it's a real deal, I hope the Maloofs accept it.
If the Kings stay, which is still the biggest and most uncertain issue, it will only prove again, that the only way to get a new arena/stadium is for a team to actually threaten to leave. I wonder why people are more motivated to act by the real threat of losing something? Sometimes humna nature is strange.
God I hope this rumor is true. God, if it's a real deal, I hope the Maloofs accept it.
LOL! Really??!! I find it laughable that you now say this is what you have been thinking the whole time. If that was the case you would have continued to watch the games and root for the team, rather than bail. All I have seen in your posts is incessant whining coupled with blaming the Maloofs for everything. Anytime anyone has even broached the issue of supporting the team when/if they move, you get all hot and bothered that anyone dare question your loyalty as a fan, even though no one directly called you out. So I guess I am directly calling you out right now. While I do no know you, you strike me as the type of person who just b*tches and moans about everything. Instead of being part of the solution, you would rather sulk and blame everyone else for your problems. My favorite though is when you tried to defend what a loyal fan you were. Yet your defense matched, verbatim, what a bandwagon fan is. In case you forgot, I have cut and pasted the post to refresh your memory, as well as the definition of a bandwagon fan courtesy of Urban Dictionary.
1. Originally Posted by RookieOfTheDay
I wouldn't call someone a bandwagon fan for losing interest in a team that's not even from their city. I just can't understand undying support for a team that's not even from your region. It's hard enough for me to stay loyal to The Kings when they're bad. Take The Celtics for example. I'm a big fan because I love watching them play. If they stink three years down the road when all their good players have retired what reason would I have to still be an avid fan when they aren't even in my area and none of the players i liked are even there any longer? My interest in a team is based on regional/civic pride (rooting for the hometown team) and or that i just like watching them play. Or in the case on a team like the Webber/Divac Kings, both.
Personally, I’ve always found the idea that “bandwagon fans” aren’t real fans to be pretty silly. If a team is bad for long enough it’s perfectly understandable that fans would lose interest. People are attracted to quality. You wouldn’t keep eating at a restaurant that used to serve good food but now serves bad food out of loyalty would you? So why would you expect folks to keep going to games of a team that used to be good but now is bad? It’s incumbent on the owners to put a competitive product on the floor. If they can’t or fail to do that, they don’t deserve undying loyalty.
Whenever a region's sports team suddenly gets really good really quickly, everyone and their f*cking dog either buys a sports jersey or takes their old one out of the closet where it's been for 20 years, proclaiming they are a diehard fan. Bandwagon fans usually flock to their team's games in large numbers and usually constitute 80% of that team's fanbase. See Florida Gators.
1. Originally Posted by RookieOfTheDay
I wouldn't call someone a bandwagon fan for losing interest in a team that's not even from their city. I just can't understand undying support for a team that's not even from your region. It's hard enough for me to stay loyal to The Kings when they're bad. Take The Celtics for example. I'm a big fan because I love watching them play. If they stink three years down the road when all their good players have retired what reason would I have to still be an avid fan when they aren't even in my area and none of the players i liked are even there any longer? My interest in a team is based on regional/civic pride (rooting for the hometown team) and or that i just like watching them play. Or in the case on a team like the Webber/Divac Kings, both.
Personally, I’ve always found the idea that “bandwagon fans” aren’t real fans to be pretty silly. If a team is bad for long enough it’s perfectly understandable that fans would lose interest. People are attracted to quality. You wouldn’t keep eating at a restaurant that used to serve good food but now serves bad food out of loyalty would you? So why would you expect folks to keep going to games of a team that used to be good but now is bad? It’s incumbent on the owners to put a competitive product on the floor. If they can’t or fail to do that, they don’t deserve undying loyalty.
Whenever a region's sports team suddenly gets really good really quickly, everyone and their f*cking dog either buys a sports jersey or takes their old one out of the closet where it's been for 20 years, proclaiming they are a diehard fan. Bandwagon fans usually flock to their team's games in large numbers and usually constitute 80% of that team's fanbase. See Florida Gators.
Is your reading ability really that poor, or do you just have a penchant for ignoring context, putting words in people’s mouth, and cherry picking comments?
Let’s take a few steps back here and look at my actual comments...
“It could and that's been my hope for the last month. I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done. I wasn't very optimistic about that happening but it appears to be coming to fruition”
Pay particular attention to the words I highlighted there. Now, let’s compare my actual comments with your version of what I said...
“this is what you have been thinking the whole time”
See the difference??? I hope so because it’s a pretty big one and if you can’t see it, it doesn’t say much for your intellect.
Right but that wasn’t the case, that was your twisted, altered version of what I actually said.
You strike me as the type of person who either A, isn’t all that bright, or B has some serious issues with other folk’s expressing their opinions if they don’t adhere to your own.
There is no “solution” that you or I or any other fan can be a part of. It’s out of our hands. If you think you can “make a difference”, you’re deluding yourself.
That’s your poor reading comprehension again. If you read the actual commenst, you’ll see that I wasn’t “defending” myself but defending a type of fan that may lose interest when a team is poor. Nowhere did I say that I had problems with my own loyalty when the team is poor.
Please, stop responding to my posts until you can learn to read things properly.
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Let’s take a few steps back here and look at my actual comments...
“It could and that's been my hope for the last month. I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done. I wasn't very optimistic about that happening but it appears to be coming to fruition”
Pay particular attention to the words I highlighted there. Now, let’s compare my actual comments with your version of what I said...
“this is what you have been thinking the whole time”
See the difference??? I hope so because it’s a pretty big one and if you can’t see it, it doesn’t say much for your intellect.
Right but that wasn’t the case, that was your twisted, altered version of what I actually said.
You strike me as the type of person who either A, isn’t all that bright, or B has some serious issues with other folk’s expressing their opinions if they don’t adhere to your own.
There is no “solution” that you or I or any other fan can be a part of. It’s out of our hands. If you think you can “make a difference”, you’re deluding yourself.
That’s your poor reading comprehension again. If you read the actual commenst, you’ll see that I wasn’t “defending” myself but defending a type of fan that may lose interest when a team is poor. Nowhere did I say that I had problems with my own loyalty when the team is poor.
Please, stop responding to my posts until you can learn to read things properly.
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Nice try Rookie. You can try and spin this anyway you like. You and I both know what you said. Did you or did you not say "I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done"? I'm pretty sure you did and I'm pretty sure that goes against everything you have posted in here since this whole relocation issue came about. I don't ever recall you saying this was a scare on the Maloof's part. In fact it’s been quite the opposite. The Maloof’s have been plotting this for years according to you. It's ok, you're trying to backpedal, I would too if I just completely contradicted myself like you did. As far as solution, please answer me the following: How many rallies/city council meetings have you attended? How many letters have you written to members of the council, the MSE, etc? How many games have you gone to since this relocation issue started? I'm guessing none of the above. If I am wrong then I will gladly apologize. Like I said, you are a whiner who does nothing to contribute anything positive, and then when there happens to be a glimmer of hope, you jump back in acting as though this was something you thought was a possibility all along
Oh, well if you don't recall it...it must not have happened then. You're an arrogant and presumptuous individual. You know nothing about the extent of my thoughts/opinions on the matter yet you think you can infer them by drawing fuzzy conclusions from unrelated comments.
What is your problem? Are you that insecure that you need to attack my posts to try and prove that I didn’t think something or that I’m lying or being a hypocrite? Seriously, get a grip.
The fact is I’ve said nothing contradictory and if you’d have the decency to ask me to clarify something rather than sniping my posts with assumptions, you might learn something.
You can't tell what people think just by assuming that if person x says A then they must not have thought B. It's possible to say A and think B. People aren't robots. Folks can hold conflicting ideas and waver on an issue, especially when it's an emotional issue.
Pardon me if I'm not "positive" enough for you, I'm not a glass is half full type of guy. If you are, fine, it's OK for folks to be different. We don't all have to have the same approach, attitude, vision, etc.
What is your problem? Are you that insecure that you need to attack my posts to try and prove that I didn’t think something or that I’m lying or being a hypocrite? Seriously, get a grip.
The fact is I’ve said nothing contradictory and if you’d have the decency to ask me to clarify something rather than sniping my posts with assumptions, you might learn something.
You can't tell what people think just by assuming that if person x says A then they must not have thought B. It's possible to say A and think B. People aren't robots. Folks can hold conflicting ideas and waver on an issue, especially when it's an emotional issue.
Pardon me if I'm not "positive" enough for you, I'm not a glass is half full type of guy. If you are, fine, it's OK for folks to be different. We don't all have to have the same approach, attitude, vision, etc.
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This would be like thinking your wife was cheating on you but really she was just planning your surprise birthday party (even if she may have been planning it with a hot guy that you openly dislike). It would be natural to say a bunch of horrible things about her until you got your nice Surprise! and then boom, everything is spiffy again.
The irony of this post is overwhelming. I'll give you this Rookie, you are pretty funny. Please prove me wrong if I misspoke about not recalling you saying something. You are right though, I am arrogant, but certainly not presumptuous. Since I don’t know you, I can only go by what you post. What your posts have consisted of are that:
A.)Maloofs are the ones at fault for this possible move and have been plotting it for years.
B.)You stopped watching/supporting the Kings once there was a possibility of them leaving.
C.)You speak of decency in asking someone to clarify something rather than sniping with assumptions, yet you are the same person who assumes people are always targeting you. When someone speaks about rooting for the Kings if they leave, you immediately take it personally. Or, god forbid someone puts fans in quotation marks. Don’t recall you ever asking for a clarification on that one Rook, instead you just went on the defensive and assumed I was insinuating something. In reading your other posts, it has become quite clear as to why you do get so defensive.
D.)Even though you feel this is a done deal and the Maloof’s have plotted this for years, you also have been thinking all along that this was a scare with a possibility of getting something done. Sorry, a lot of this just seems a bit contradictory to me.
Feel free to correct any inaccuracies of my post.
A.)Maloofs are the ones at fault for this possible move and have been plotting it for years.
B.)You stopped watching/supporting the Kings once there was a possibility of them leaving.
C.)You speak of decency in asking someone to clarify something rather than sniping with assumptions, yet you are the same person who assumes people are always targeting you. When someone speaks about rooting for the Kings if they leave, you immediately take it personally. Or, god forbid someone puts fans in quotation marks. Don’t recall you ever asking for a clarification on that one Rook, instead you just went on the defensive and assumed I was insinuating something. In reading your other posts, it has become quite clear as to why you do get so defensive.
D.)Even though you feel this is a done deal and the Maloof’s have plotted this for years, you also have been thinking all along that this was a scare with a possibility of getting something done. Sorry, a lot of this just seems a bit contradictory to me.
Feel free to correct any inaccuracies of my post.
There is no irony other what you've manufactured in your own mind.
I said they share in the blame. I never said they were wholly to blame or that the city was without blame.
Yeah, so what? Lots of people did.
What I took “personally” was the notion that someone wasn’t a real fan if they stopped rooting for the team if they leave. Several other folks took issue with that as well.
I don’t get “defensive”. I clear up inaccuracies and false assumptions. You can criticize me for anything you like, but at least have your facts straight. I’ve wavered on that day to day. I’ve been over the spectrum from being sure it is done to thinking it’s a bluff and back again, several times. It’s been an emotional roller coaster and thus hardly odd that folks may have revolving opinions about it.
Basically none of us have the facts. We’re all just speculating, so naturally folk’s positions may go back and forth as conflicting reports come in.
You just seem to have a personal problem with me for whatever reason and have taken to nitpicking my posts for any little thing you can use to provoke an argument/confrontation.
I said they share in the blame. I never said they were wholly to blame or that the city was without blame.
Yeah, so what? Lots of people did.
What I took “personally” was the notion that someone wasn’t a real fan if they stopped rooting for the team if they leave. Several other folks took issue with that as well.
I don’t get “defensive”. I clear up inaccuracies and false assumptions. You can criticize me for anything you like, but at least have your facts straight. I’ve wavered on that day to day. I’ve been over the spectrum from being sure it is done to thinking it’s a bluff and back again, several times. It’s been an emotional roller coaster and thus hardly odd that folks may have revolving opinions about it.
Basically none of us have the facts. We’re all just speculating, so naturally folk’s positions may go back and forth as conflicting reports come in.
You just seem to have a personal problem with me for whatever reason and have taken to nitpicking my posts for any little thing you can use to provoke an argument/confrontation.
I guess you and I have different interpretations of the word irony. Oh well. This is pointless, as you will always have an answer for everything, no matter how overwhelming the evidence is against you. Again I asked you to clear up any inaccuracies, which you can't seem to do. You said that the Maloof’s and city share the blame, but the majority of your posts say otherwise. It's real easy to go back and pull up things you have written. I have nothing against you personally, I am just getting tired of whiners.
LOL, I didn’t even know I was on trial.
I don’t recall you asking me to clear up anything. You just made assumptions about me.
No they don’t say otherwise. You’re inferring things without enough imformation.
Yet you haven’t tired of whining about me and my opinions. Odd.
I’m not going to bother looking for them, as I’ve nothing to prove here but I’ve criticized the city of Sacramento for their dawdling and thumb twiddling on this board on more than one occasion. I’ve also mentioned in the past that I felt the whole thing could be a bluff. Like I said though, opinions on that can change. I think it’d be odd if someone had the exactly same opinion on this issue all the time given all the reports and speculation that have been swirling around the last month.
I don’t recall you asking me to clear up anything. You just made assumptions about me.
No they don’t say otherwise. You’re inferring things without enough imformation.
Yet you haven’t tired of whining about me and my opinions. Odd.
I’m not going to bother looking for them, as I’ve nothing to prove here but I’ve criticized the city of Sacramento for their dawdling and thumb twiddling on this board on more than one occasion. I’ve also mentioned in the past that I felt the whole thing could be a bluff. Like I said though, opinions on that can change. I think it’d be odd if someone had the exactly same opinion on this issue all the time given all the reports and speculation that have been swirling around the last month.
-No trial just brought up things you have posted in the past.
-Hmm, I think told you “to feel free to correct any inaccuracies of my post” when I laid out how ironic your post was. But as you like to say, if you didn’t recall it, then it must not have happened. These “assumptions” you speak of were based on things you posted that were pretty black and white. Not much assuming needed to be done.
-How do your posts not say otherwise? Anything I am inferring was a based on what you said.
-You’re right I haven’t. I should just drop it, but if you want to keep debating me I am game.
When this thread was first started, I was very interested to see who would respond and what they would say. You were one of the people whose response I was interested in. For you to post that “I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done” is absolute bullsh*t and your posts back that up. You have been steadfast in your view that this was the Maloof’s fault and that they have been plotting this for some time, which goes directly against you saying you were “thinking this the whole time”. Stop insulting people’s intelligence.
-Hmm, I think told you “to feel free to correct any inaccuracies of my post” when I laid out how ironic your post was. But as you like to say, if you didn’t recall it, then it must not have happened. These “assumptions” you speak of were based on things you posted that were pretty black and white. Not much assuming needed to be done.
-How do your posts not say otherwise? Anything I am inferring was a based on what you said.
-You’re right I haven’t. I should just drop it, but if you want to keep debating me I am game.
When this thread was first started, I was very interested to see who would respond and what they would say. You were one of the people whose response I was interested in. For you to post that “I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done” is absolute bullsh*t and your posts back that up. You have been steadfast in your view that this was the Maloof’s fault and that they have been plotting this for some time, which goes directly against you saying you were “thinking this the whole time”. Stop insulting people’s intelligence.
I already explained to you that someone can say A and think B at the same time. You seem to be ignoring that as if you have the power to read my mind and know what I thought. Everything you’re going on here is based on the false premise that you can glean the entirety or extent of my thoughts based on isolated comments about other issues. You can’t.
As I said, I’ve insulted the city too. My thinking the Maloofs share fault for this in no way conflicts with my thinking that this scare might possibly trigger something to finally get done. As they say, desperate times call for desperate measures.
One other thing you seem to be ignoring/misunderstanding. I said I hoped for something like this and saw it as a possibility, not that I actually thought it would happen. Nowhere did I say "yeah I knew this would happen" or something like that.
But hey, if it gives you pleasure, go right on thinking you can read my mind and that you've caught me in some big lie.
As I said, I’ve insulted the city too. My thinking the Maloofs share fault for this in no way conflicts with my thinking that this scare might possibly trigger something to finally get done. As they say, desperate times call for desperate measures.
One other thing you seem to be ignoring/misunderstanding. I said I hoped for something like this and saw it as a possibility, not that I actually thought it would happen. Nowhere did I say "yeah I knew this would happen" or something like that.
But hey, if it gives you pleasure, go right on thinking you can read my mind and that you've caught me in some big lie.
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So you think B, but say and continually back A? Makes perfect sense.
Yes, and you also said you had thought that the scare could possibly lead to something, which would indicate you thought that the Maloof's were pulling a scare tactic. Something that all your posts contradict. Exact quote was “I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done”
I don't have to read your mind, you make it clear as day as to what you think in your posts
Yes, and you also said you had thought that the scare could possibly lead to something, which would indicate you thought that the Maloof's were pulling a scare tactic. Something that all your posts contradict. Exact quote was “I've been thinking this whole time that there was a possibility this scare would finally motive someone with the means to do something into getting something done”
I don't have to read your mind, you make it clear as day as to what you think in your posts
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