I don't want to say goodbye
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Doubt that 1140 pays very much, but I figure that if they really wanted to keep him, he could just broadcast from another station in LA and 1140 could pick it up. That being said, I'm not sure how 1140 will even be able to survive if the Kings move, and I doubt Grant would still have a show, since most of the talk is centered around the Kings.
Well true, but they also have Kings Talk which is 2 nights a week for 2-3 hours. Plus you have Kings games, which takes up 3-4 hours (depending on pre/game/post) 82 times a year. I guess they'll just become more ESPN/Fox sports centered, which means broadcasting more popular NBA games through the radio.
Great post VF. (As always.)
Even as one of the dreaded Laker fans on here...I seriously feel for you guys, especially since I think of a lot of you as my friends. Hopefully, there's a positive resolution to this whole thing...I prefer my friends to be happy than bickering with each other.
Even as one of the dreaded Laker fans on here...I seriously feel for you guys, especially since I think of a lot of you as my friends. Hopefully, there's a positive resolution to this whole thing...I prefer my friends to be happy than bickering with each other.
Beautifully written VF.
All through out the 90's, My dad would take my older brother, my older sister and me. My mom would stay home with my little sister but was always ok with the it, mainly for the peace and quiet as well as the promise I would make to bring her back some of those candied walnuts in the purple paper cone. She loved those. I am about to have my first child any day now, and it absolutely breaks my heart knowing that the one of the most important things in my life is about to be taken from me and that I will never be able to take my son to a Kings game like my dad did with me. It's truly devastating.
All through out the 90's, My dad would take my older brother, my older sister and me. My mom would stay home with my little sister but was always ok with the it, mainly for the peace and quiet as well as the promise I would make to bring her back some of those candied walnuts in the purple paper cone. She loved those. I am about to have my first child any day now, and it absolutely breaks my heart knowing that the one of the most important things in my life is about to be taken from me and that I will never be able to take my son to a Kings game like my dad did with me. It's truly devastating.
Just wanted to chime in here and agree that this is a great piece of writing. By far the best on the subject I've seen anywhere in the last two weeks (or however long it's been) and I've seen a lot. this really should be published in the Bee. Heck, it's better written than anything I've ever seen any of their writers write. That's not an insult to their writing, just a compliment to yours.
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I have bleed purple/black/blue/red/powderblue since the 80s and good for you if you remain a fan. Don't look down at the peopel who can't find it in their heart to remain a fan. For some people this team means more to them than others. I have been to almost a thousand games, and have watched or listened to almost every game since the early 90s. Am I not a fan because I choose not to follow a team that broke my heart and left? Good god shut up.
I kinda get the whole not being a fan anymore if they move but the hate I don't understand. What does that do for you? Self pride? You're gonna walk around sactown saying F the kings and the Magoofs? Seriously, what does that do for you? At the end of the day, sports is just entertainment. If it affects your quality of living then maybe it is best to cut ties. But I don't know, I just really can't see what boycotting and hating the franchise will do for you.
VF21, please read my reply:
Your thread really touched me, and it was very emotional for me to read this.
I am only 16 years old, but similarly to you, I have many memories of myself sitting on my couch at home with my father in Arizona watching the kings. Moreover, we drove to phoenix to watch our team play the suns every time we could. (These years are about from when I was 6-10). Right now I am in my room, in Israel typing this post. I am here for more than six consecutive years now. I try watching my Kings once a week, which sucks but the time differences (the games start at approximately 4 am) are really making it difficult. I feel so sad thinking the Kings are gonna move, and I feel even worse that I couldn't take part in the Here We Stay game.It's killing me. You have over 67,000 posts here! Its crazy, and it's depressing that a fan like yourself hasn't witnessed our players celebrating a championship. I feel your deep pain which is clearly deeper than mine. I wish you and your family health and peace. Lets hope for a miracle.
Dvir
Your thread really touched me, and it was very emotional for me to read this.
I am only 16 years old, but similarly to you, I have many memories of myself sitting on my couch at home with my father in Arizona watching the kings. Moreover, we drove to phoenix to watch our team play the suns every time we could. (These years are about from when I was 6-10). Right now I am in my room, in Israel typing this post. I am here for more than six consecutive years now. I try watching my Kings once a week, which sucks but the time differences (the games start at approximately 4 am) are really making it difficult. I feel so sad thinking the Kings are gonna move, and I feel even worse that I couldn't take part in the Here We Stay game.It's killing me. You have over 67,000 posts here! Its crazy, and it's depressing that a fan like yourself hasn't witnessed our players celebrating a championship. I feel your deep pain which is clearly deeper than mine. I wish you and your family health and peace. Lets hope for a miracle.
Dvir
I very much share the same sentiments. Truthfully speaking, it doesn't really affect me whether or not the team moves, because unlike a lot of fans from Sacramento I'm a fan of the KINGS first and SACRAMENTO second, but that's only because I'm not from anywhere near SAC. However, I sympathize greatly with all you sac natives who may be losing a huge part of your city and identity.
My country is frankly not very known for sports, and there is very very little support for local teams, namely due to the quality of play. As such, I have never had that amount of pride for a local team that you all must have for the Kings. I can only imagine how painful it must be losing a team that you really care for, especially when you consider what the Kings have been through in the last 15 years.
If the Kings do move, I hope to see most of the posters here on whatever new message board there is, especially people like VF, Baja, Brick, Tetsujin and all. For those that find it too painful to support the Anaheim Royals or whatever, I totally understand and I hope that some day you may get a new team to support as fervently, be it in basketball or another sport.
I suppose there's a lesson to be learnt here, as painful as it may be, and that is that you never know what you have until it's gone.
My country is frankly not very known for sports, and there is very very little support for local teams, namely due to the quality of play. As such, I have never had that amount of pride for a local team that you all must have for the Kings. I can only imagine how painful it must be losing a team that you really care for, especially when you consider what the Kings have been through in the last 15 years.
If the Kings do move, I hope to see most of the posters here on whatever new message board there is, especially people like VF, Baja, Brick, Tetsujin and all. For those that find it too painful to support the Anaheim Royals or whatever, I totally understand and I hope that some day you may get a new team to support as fervently, be it in basketball or another sport.
I suppose there's a lesson to be learnt here, as painful as it may be, and that is that you never know what you have until it's gone.
Ok. This will be my last comment regarding this thread (Again VF, sorry). For those select few posters who A.) Are so damn sensitive that you would get this bent out of shape over a "fans" comment or B.) Who are so paranoid that you think every little comment is directed at you, let me clarify my "fans" comment. "Fans" is referring to those who were not around during the dark days, but decided to jump on the bandwagon when things got good because they thought it was the IN thing to do, then decided to jump off when things got dark again. "Fans" refers to those who are seemingly happy that the Kings are leaving and love to gloat about it (If anyone has read the Comments portion of the Sacramento Bee, you know the people I am talking about). "Fans" to me are those who do not really give 2 craps about this team. All of you are members of a Kings Fan site, so I assumed you know that people consider you real fans. Never did I think "fans" would cause such uproar. I am sorry that some decided to take it personally, but last time I checked I never once referred to anyone personally. The comment was mean to touch on what VF said and illustrate what a true fan is, and how her thread encompassed what a true fan is. Now can we just be done with this nonsense?
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First of all, I'm not spinning anything, and thats in response to Rookie. All I'm saying is that I read the post and didn't come up with the same conclusion that you and rookie did. Now maybe I'm not as sensitive as the two of you, and all I'm saying is that if you are that sensitive to it, maybe the fault lies with the two of you and not with him.
Now its in my nature to give people the benefit of the doubt. And I'll admit that if you don't completely explain yourself on this fourm, someone will take what you say and run with it in a different direction. I know, because people have completely misunderstood what I'm talking about many times. Which is why I tend to be so long winded in my posts now. To make sure I'm completely understood.
I would never be so bold or stupid as to tell anyone whats in Hoover's mind. Or what his darkside intentions were when he made that post. Or that he even had darkside intentions. So I don't accuse him of such. I, personally will say what I mean, and mean what I say. I try to carefully think out what I post and hopefully leave as much emotion out of it as possible. I'm not always sucessful. I let my temper get in my way at times. And!!!!! I almost always regret it.
A good rule to go by, is unless you know for a fact what someone's intentions are, don't accuse him. If you have doubts, then PM him and find out. Thats what I do. Its way too easy to get in someones face on this fourm without consequence. The easier it is, then the more often we do it without thought. I think I should also add, that I don't know Hoover, so I have no reason to defend his position. What I do take a stand on is that VF21 started a thread that doesn't deserve to be sidetracked by selfserving intentions. Everytime my grandson does something wrong, he always says, I didn't mean to! And I always tell him, that saying you didn't mean to, isn't an excuse.
To me, what he said wasn't that important. What VF21 said was. And it upsets me that the focus was taken away from her, because of some petty bickering that has more to do with ego than anything else.
Now its in my nature to give people the benefit of the doubt. And I'll admit that if you don't completely explain yourself on this fourm, someone will take what you say and run with it in a different direction. I know, because people have completely misunderstood what I'm talking about many times. Which is why I tend to be so long winded in my posts now. To make sure I'm completely understood.
I would never be so bold or stupid as to tell anyone whats in Hoover's mind. Or what his darkside intentions were when he made that post. Or that he even had darkside intentions. So I don't accuse him of such. I, personally will say what I mean, and mean what I say. I try to carefully think out what I post and hopefully leave as much emotion out of it as possible. I'm not always sucessful. I let my temper get in my way at times. And!!!!! I almost always regret it.
A good rule to go by, is unless you know for a fact what someone's intentions are, don't accuse him. If you have doubts, then PM him and find out. Thats what I do. Its way too easy to get in someones face on this fourm without consequence. The easier it is, then the more often we do it without thought. I think I should also add, that I don't know Hoover, so I have no reason to defend his position. What I do take a stand on is that VF21 started a thread that doesn't deserve to be sidetracked by selfserving intentions. Everytime my grandson does something wrong, he always says, I didn't mean to! And I always tell him, that saying you didn't mean to, isn't an excuse.
To me, what he said wasn't that important. What VF21 said was. And it upsets me that the focus was taken away from her, because of some petty bickering that has more to do with ego than anything else.
I'm also an LA native who grew up as a Rams fan. Frankly, as a younger man, when the Rams moved to St. Louis, I didn't even give a half a thought of whether I would change my allegiance. The bond was formed. When the Rams won the Superbowl a few years ago I was ecstatic; the St. Louis part had no bearing on it. Similarly, I would follow the Kings if they moved to Anaheim because that bond has been formed as well. The only way that bond gets cut is if another NBA team moved to Sacto, and then, just as with my Lakers way back when, I'd probably change allegiance.
By the way, if the Kings move, I don't begrudge people who never would want to watch the Kings ever again, or who would never watch an NBA game ever again Being a fan isn't a moral prerogative, it's an emotional attachment. And everyone is due respect for their personal feelings on the matter.
By the way, if the Kings move, I don't begrudge people who never would want to watch the Kings ever again, or who would never watch an NBA game ever again Being a fan isn't a moral prerogative, it's an emotional attachment. And everyone is due respect for their personal feelings on the matter.
Great Post VF
I don't post here very often, However I am on here reading it every day. I too am sad about the Kings probable move to So Cal. This feels like a divorce in many ways. I can't really tell who is to blame, As everyone has some blame here,
The Maloof's decided to cut payroll and players in order to have a chance to rebuild this team all the way next year, This hurts because they must have known that they were going to move and SoCal is a more attractive destination for free agents. So I feel lied to by the Maloofs. but, If I were a business owner and could make more money when i was struggling financially, I would probably go as well, But be straight with us and don't lead us to the last game of the season
On the other hand the city of Sacramento and everyone but Mayor Johnson has not helped us get a new arena at all. So in a lot of ways the city is to blame
The Sacramento Bee seems to be against the Maloofs and the city and slants there stories as does the news stations
When all is said and done I hope to be able to still support the Kings, I just do not know whether my heart will allow it.
I know as a loyal fan, I never gave up on my team, Sadly my team has just given up on me
I hope this site stays no matter what city the team is in or what they call themselves
I don't post here very often, However I am on here reading it every day. I too am sad about the Kings probable move to So Cal. This feels like a divorce in many ways. I can't really tell who is to blame, As everyone has some blame here,
The Maloof's decided to cut payroll and players in order to have a chance to rebuild this team all the way next year, This hurts because they must have known that they were going to move and SoCal is a more attractive destination for free agents. So I feel lied to by the Maloofs. but, If I were a business owner and could make more money when i was struggling financially, I would probably go as well, But be straight with us and don't lead us to the last game of the season
On the other hand the city of Sacramento and everyone but Mayor Johnson has not helped us get a new arena at all. So in a lot of ways the city is to blame
The Sacramento Bee seems to be against the Maloofs and the city and slants there stories as does the news stations
When all is said and done I hope to be able to still support the Kings, I just do not know whether my heart will allow it.
I know as a loyal fan, I never gave up on my team, Sadly my team has just given up on me
I hope this site stays no matter what city the team is in or what they call themselves
I live in Ensenada Mexico. So I guess you could include me in with the SoCal people that root for the Kings. And although, I would benefit geographically if they were to move down here, both in ability to attend games, and in making it easier for me to watch them on television, I want them to stay in sacramento.
My daughter, son and grandson, all live in the sacramento area. The thought of my grandson growing up without the Kings makes me sick to my stomach. But its not just my grandson, its all the young kids, that won't have what I had as a young boy growing up in St. Louis.
I remember sitting out on the back porch in the heat of the summer evenings. Lightning bugs were in the air, and perspiration was running down my face. The voice of Harry Carey was booming over the radio. It was the bottom of the ninth, runners were on 1st and 2nd, the Cards were down two, and Stan Musial was coming to bat. There was a crack of the bat, and the words I wanted to hear leaped out of the radio. " Theres a drive, it might be, it could be, it is, a homerun. Holly Cow!!"
Priceless! Absolutely priceless. There are things in life you just can't buy. They have to be experienced. And those experiences are priceless and personal. Even though shared with thousands at the time. There are moments in life that you'll remember when you lie down for the last time in your life. There is no way to put a value on those moments. You wouldn't sell them to anyone for any price.
If the Kings move, those are the moments that young boys and girls won't have. They may never consciously know it, the same way a poor person says, that as a child, he never knew he was poor, because as a child thats all he knew. Whats lost, is than in reality, whether he or she knew it or not, they were poor. And those who grow up without the Kings, will be poorer for it.
We live and die vicariously with our team. And its not just about the win or the loss of the last game. Or even the last season. Its about hope. Its about, there's always next year. They teach us to have hope, and to have expectations for the future. They teach
us how to deal with failure, and not turn failure into despair.
Most of all, they give us memories that can never be replaced. Maybe another team can add to them, but never replace them. There will never be another Vlade in my memory bank. There will never be another moment of standing and screaming along with 17 thousand plus for 20 minutes before the Kings even walked out onto the floor. And continuing to scream for their entire warmup period prior to their first home playoff game.
I don't want my grandson to be deprived of those memories. I don't want his classmates to be deprived. And selfishly, I want the fairytale to go on. I want to see the prince put the glass slipper on the foot of the chosen one. I want to see a championship banner flying in the rafters of the arena, regardless of the name. I want sacramento to be the shinning city on the hill.
My heart aches at the thought of them leaving. I pray for a miracle, because it appears thats what it will take. Miracles do happen, but you have to believe..
My daughter, son and grandson, all live in the sacramento area. The thought of my grandson growing up without the Kings makes me sick to my stomach. But its not just my grandson, its all the young kids, that won't have what I had as a young boy growing up in St. Louis.
I remember sitting out on the back porch in the heat of the summer evenings. Lightning bugs were in the air, and perspiration was running down my face. The voice of Harry Carey was booming over the radio. It was the bottom of the ninth, runners were on 1st and 2nd, the Cards were down two, and Stan Musial was coming to bat. There was a crack of the bat, and the words I wanted to hear leaped out of the radio. " Theres a drive, it might be, it could be, it is, a homerun. Holly Cow!!"
Priceless! Absolutely priceless. There are things in life you just can't buy. They have to be experienced. And those experiences are priceless and personal. Even though shared with thousands at the time. There are moments in life that you'll remember when you lie down for the last time in your life. There is no way to put a value on those moments. You wouldn't sell them to anyone for any price.
If the Kings move, those are the moments that young boys and girls won't have. They may never consciously know it, the same way a poor person says, that as a child, he never knew he was poor, because as a child thats all he knew. Whats lost, is than in reality, whether he or she knew it or not, they were poor. And those who grow up without the Kings, will be poorer for it.
We live and die vicariously with our team. And its not just about the win or the loss of the last game. Or even the last season. Its about hope. Its about, there's always next year. They teach us to have hope, and to have expectations for the future. They teach
us how to deal with failure, and not turn failure into despair.
Most of all, they give us memories that can never be replaced. Maybe another team can add to them, but never replace them. There will never be another Vlade in my memory bank. There will never be another moment of standing and screaming along with 17 thousand plus for 20 minutes before the Kings even walked out onto the floor. And continuing to scream for their entire warmup period prior to their first home playoff game.
I don't want my grandson to be deprived of those memories. I don't want his classmates to be deprived. And selfishly, I want the fairytale to go on. I want to see the prince put the glass slipper on the foot of the chosen one. I want to see a championship banner flying in the rafters of the arena, regardless of the name. I want sacramento to be the shinning city on the hill.
My heart aches at the thought of them leaving. I pray for a miracle, because it appears thats what it will take. Miracles do happen, but you have to believe..
Those are some of the sentiments I share. Some of my fondest memories growing up were listening to Gary Gerould call the games as I was going to sleep. My grades were pee poor back then, so I wasn't allowed to watch TV during the week, so instead I had to listen to it. The picture the G Man painted for me was far greater than anything I could have ever watched on TV. Even to this day I will turn the TV down and put the G-Man on for Kings games. Those moments and thousands of other moments like those are ones that my kids and many other kids will never be able to experience if the Kings do in fact leave. Great, now I just realized we also could be losing the G-Man.
I still believe! And I will until the day the moving vans take my beloved Kings away. Thanks for sharing, Dennis. Maybe if the Maloofs can really feel our pain, they'll understand that what they're thinking of doing isn't just moving a franchise. It's destroying family traditions and creating a void that may never be filled.