Is there anyone who would still rather have Landry than Martin?

#92
Houston becoming decent again has directly coincided with the insertion of two defensive tough guys (Battier/Lowry) on either side of Kevin to cover for all that other stuff he doesn't do. Like guard Tyreke Evans. Or anyone.
Funny how the Kings had Donte on Martin and not Evans too. Stop with the Evans is a good defender too. He stinks.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Funny how the Kings had Donte on Martin and not Evans too. Stop with the Evans is a good defender too. He stinks.
You have a terrible time concealing it you know.

Evans can be a very strong defender in stretches, but his focus comes and goes. He doesn't stink or anything close to it. And of course when you are talking Kevin, a main point was to protect him from foul toruble.
 
#95
You have a terrible time concealing it you know.

Evans can be a very strong defender in stretches, but his focus comes and goes. He doesn't stink or anything close to it. And of course when you are talking Kevin, a main point was to protect him from foul toruble.
No, Evans pretty much stinks. He's had 1 notable defensive play against Arenas and thats about it. He gets some steals on gambles, but most of the time he loses his man on the weakside and never goes around or fights throught picks. Top it off he's slow to close out on shooters. Let me ask you this. Do you ever recall him taking a charge?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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No, Evans pretty much stinks. He's had 1 notable defensive play against Arenas and thats about it. He gets some steals on gambles, but most of the time he loses his man on the weakside and never goes around or fights throught picks. Top it off he's slow to close out on shooters. Let me ask you this. Do you ever recall him taking a charge?
No, which doesn't concern me because I think taking charges is generally high school stuff.

He does very good work with his hands. He has had entire quarters this year where he's been excellent defensively. Its just an energy thing. Not too far off of how it works for a guy like Kobe BTW -- top defender when he wants to be. Coasts most of the time.

And he's had a lot more than 1 notable defensive play. What you meant to sya is he had 1 defensive play so notorious that even you were forced to acknowledge it.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#97
No, Evans pretty much stinks. He's had 1 notable defensive play against Arenas and thats about it. He gets some steals on gambles, but most of the time he loses his man on the weakside and never goes around or fights throught picks. Top it off he's slow to close out on shooters. Let me ask you this. Do you ever recall him taking a charge?
Mikki Moore took a lot of charges but no one's mistaking him for Bill Russell.
 
#99
Yeah, I don't know where he saw that Martin was guarding Reke last night though since with the exception of one shot, I remember Reke going against Battier for most of the game.
You either did not watch the game or was not paying enough attention. I'm ok with people disagreeing with me, but at least get the facts straight. KMart was guarding Tyreke from the 2:00 minute mark until three minutes left in the first half, when Battier switched to guard Tyreke. KMart was back guarding Tyreke for most of the 3rd. I have the game on Tivo, I can send a DVD copy if you wish.

And this is a perfect example of this imaginary KMart that fans remember that has no connection to reality. When a fan can't even remember who was guarding who and is adamant about things that never happened, something is wrong.

KMart guarding Tyreke for most of the game is iron-clad. If you give me a little time I can dub some clips of the game on KMart vs Tyreke and upload to youtube.
 
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Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
You either did not watch the game or was not paying enough attention. I'm ok with people disagreeing with me, but at least get the facts straight. KMart was guarding Tyreke from the 2:00 minute mark until three minutes left in the first half, when Battier switched to guard Tyreke. And then all thru the 3rd guarter it was KMart guarding Tyreke. I have the game on Tivo, I can send a DVD copy if you wish.

And this is a perfect example of this imaginary KMart that fans remember that has no connection to reality. When a fan can't even remember who was guarding who and is adamant about things that never happened, something is wrong.

KMart guarding Tyreke for most of the game is iron-clad. If you give me a little time I can dub some clips of the game on KMart vs Tyreke and upload to youtube.
If you're really that intent on trying to prove that K-Mart isn't a defensive liability, then go ahead.

A survey conducted by the university of my eyes over the past half dozen years seems to be pointing otherwise, so unless I missed a bunch of games where Kevin suddenly managed to shutdown Kobe and LeBron or something, I'm sticking with my opinion.
 
If you're really that intent on trying to prove that K-Mart isn't a defensive liability, then go ahead.

A survey conducted by the university of my eyes over the past half dozen years seems to be pointing otherwise, so unless I missed a bunch of games where Kevin suddenly managed to shutdown Kobe and LeBron or something, I'm sticking with my opinion.

Now you're just being difficult. A player doesn't have to shutdown Kobe and Lebron in order not to be a liability, not to mention that such a stopper does not exist.

But if you're basing your opinion solely on your eyes, I question how reliable that is when your eyes mistaken Shane Battier for Kevin Martin and vice versa. If you had watched the game on TV, at least you'd have been alerted to that fact when Grant asked Reynolds about the Martin defending Tyreke matchup. Perhaps you watched the game from the top row, upper level; I've been in those seats and I could swear I saw Chris Dudley wearing a Kings uni and hitting a bunch of threes.
 
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Your right. My mistake. I just don't like him is the sole reason I called him an a-hole, I have no reason as to why I don't like him it's just one of those situations where you don't like a player, explanations can't be put into words in this case.
Ok, that I can understand. Sometimes your spirit just doesn't take to certain people, as they say down here...
 
No, which doesn't concern me because I think taking charges is generally high school stuff.

He does very good work with his hands. He has had entire quarters this year where he's been excellent defensively. Its just an energy thing. Not too far off of how it works for a guy like Kobe BTW -- top defender when he wants to be. Coasts most of the time.

And he's had a lot more than 1 notable defensive play. What you meant to sya is he had 1 defensive play so notorious that even you were forced to acknowledge it.
The only thing that concerns me is Tyreke isn't nearly as good as Kobe, and his overall play does not warrant him coasting on defense, especially with our team playingl ike this. I do see him have active hands and he has a pretty good knack for slapping balls away, but struggles getting over screens and isn't fast enough to chase quick guys around them. He's got long arms but not much leaping ability so you don't see him block many shots either. I'd definitely take him over Martin though.

Going back to the whole coasting idea ... I find it sad to say that I feel Evans is not a very hard worker. He's smart and learns quickly (somewhat) but in all honesty I don't see him busting his *** out on court, nor do I see much improvement made over the offseason, be it in basketball skills or conditioning. Now this may all be due to injury, but either way the real studs in the league don't get there by working on their shootnig and conditioning with their brothers over the offseason.