Trade Landry for...

LPKingsFan

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kingsboi said:
No way would I trade Landry for an unproven player like Bradley. We are better off just letting him walk if we can't get anything reasonable for him. With the way he's been playing this year, I doubt we have much people calling about him at this time anyways.
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Wait, so you'd rather have nothing than a player with potential to be a great defender and solid spot up shooter next to Tyreke, for less than $1.5 million? I mean, I understand trying to get something more for Landry (and note my deal included more than just Bradley), but if it get's to that point, you'd rather have nothing than something? I don't get it.
 
bajaden

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Capt. Factorial said:
I don't know why ESPN says it will work, but here's my reasoning on why it shouldn't work:
Big Baby: $3,000,004 (yeah, three million and a happy meal)
Daniels: $2,388,000
Bradley: $1,418,160
Total: $6,806,164

Garcia: $5,500,000
Landry: $3,000,000 (No happy meal, sorry Carl!)
Head: $992,680 (although due to the whole league-pays-part-of-minimum-salaried-vets rule, the Kings only owe $854,389)
Total: $9,492,680 (or $9,354,389 if Head is treated at the lower salary for trade purposes, though I think not)

The Celtics are over the cap, so they can only take 125% + 100,000 over what they send out. That comes up to $8,607,705 maximum returning salary. There's no way to cleverly split it up to make it better, either. The Celtics don't have a TPE. I can't see any way to do it without either not including Head or bringing another minimum salary back to the Kings.
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I'm not sure how he got this trade to work on the ESPN site. There are a couple of problems in the immediate. Both head and Danials were both signed as freeagents this off season, so neither one can be traded until Dec 15th. So the site won't even let you put up their names to see if the trade works, and without them involved it surely won't. The one reason the trade might work after the 15th is that Landry has a 1.5 mil trade excemption attached to him. So with that, you might squeek close enough to make it work.

If the main reason for the trade is Big Baby, then why don't we just trade Landry straight up for him. Why do we have to get all these other players involved. If its just to get Bradley, then find a way to get him straight up. Why do we have to complicate all these deals?
 
Capt. Factorial

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#33
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bajaden said:
The one reason the trade might work after the 15th is that Landry has a 1.5 mil trade excemption attached to him.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm not under the impression that trade exemptions attach to players, and neither we nor Boston have an exemption according to ShamSports. Of course, it's Boston who would need the exemption here, to make up for salary they're not sending.
 
LPKingsFan

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bajaden said:
If the main reason for the trade is Big Baby, then why don't we just trade Landry straight up for him. Why do we have to get all these other players involved. If its just to get Bradley, then find a way to get him straight up. Why do we have to complicate all these deals?
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Because while either would be a nice piece (especially Bradley, I'm indifferent toward Big Baby) neither is sufficient for Landry straight up. And when you're in a position like the Kings are in terms of needing talent, you can't afford to trade players for less than what they are worth.
 
kingsboi

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LPKingsFan said:
Wait, so you'd rather have nothing than a player with potential to be a great defender and solid spot up shooter next to Tyreke, for less than $1.5 million? I mean, I understand trying to get something more for Landry (and note my deal included more than just Bradley), but if it get's to that point, you'd rather have nothing than something? I don't get it.
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It's quite simple really, if we don't get anything for him in a trade. We have money anyways to try to get a player that has more experience and plays d and shoots the ball at a decent rate.
 
LPKingsFan

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kingsboi said:
It's quite simple really, if we don't get anything for him in a trade. We have money anyways to try to get a player that has more experience and plays d and shoots the ball at a decent rate.
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That'd be a fine point if Bradley made more than $1.5 million. He doesn't, though, and that would put hardly a dent in any salary cap space that we might want to use to get a player as you describe.
 
Dr. Spaceman

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Gary said:
G-F I wouldn't mind having;

Dorell Wright
Anthony Morrow
CDR (for real cheap)
Wesley Matthews
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Really wishing we had thrown in the little cash it took (well, relative to our needs right now) to sign Morrow or Wright, too. They both would've had a real shot at solving some of our needs at the 2 that Petrie's answers haven't been able to fulfill.

I see on the front page of RealGM right now that Andre Iguodala is on the market. He's a big contract at a little over $12 million -- anyone up for trading for him with the wishful thought that he somehow develops a steady 3-point shot (shooting 35% this season, we'll see how that goes...) and becomes Reke's Pippen? It's how he shined in the FIBAs, serving as a glue guy on a gold medal team. So if he can come in and position himself solidly as the third star of our trifecta, is he worth the money? Just wanna hear people's thoughts on this.
 
LPKingsFan

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Dr. Spaceman said:
Really wishing we had thrown in the little cash it took (well, relative to our needs right now) to sign Morrow or Wright, too. They both would've had a real shot at solving some of our needs at the 2 that Petrie's answers haven't been able to fulfill.

I see on the front page of RealGM right now that Andre Iguodala is on the market. He's a big contract at a little over $12 million -- anyone up for trading for him with the wishful thought that he somehow develops a steady 3-point shot (shooting 35% this season, we'll see how that goes...) and becomes Reke's Pippen? It's how he shined in the FIBAs, serving as a glue guy on a gold medal team. So if he can come in and position himself solidly as the third star of our trifecta, is he worth the money? Just wanna hear people's thoughts on this.
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I'd throw an offer of Casspi+Landry out there and see if they bite, maybe even a protected pick if that's what it takes. He's still young, but it seems like this summer was humbling for him and showed that he can contribute in other ways than just scoring. He definitely has the defensive and facilitating skills that would work well next to Reke. The jumper certainly is worrying, but since we're starting Cousins and JT now, putting Iggy out there with Reke, Cousins, JT and either Cisco, Beno, and Donte would really leave only him and Reke as the ones who couldn't hit a J on a consistent basis.

The physicality of that lineup would be fun. Run a team of Evans, Iggy, Donte, JT, and Cousins and teams would have nowhere to hide inside. That is a big bunch. Try guarding Reke with your SF or SG with that group!
 
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kingsboi

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LPKingsFan said:
That'd be a fine point if Bradley made more than $1.5 million. He doesn't, though, and that would put hardly a dent in any salary cap space that we might want to use to get a player as you describe.
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It's not like he would be seeing any significant minutes anyways, because Westphal clearly doesn't know how to keep a steady rotation.
 
sidney

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Mayo makes some sense. Talent and salary wise they are not significantly apart. Both are struggling this year and could benefit from a change of pace.
 
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TheWileyVet said:
Mayo would be a dream come true
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Yes he would be. Although his numbers and minutes are down this year, he's an excellent shooter. He shoots a good percentage from the line and 3 point land. He has also never missed a game in his NBA career so he's durable. I just don't really see why Memphis would part with him for Landry, but if they would we need to jump all over it.
 
bajaden

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LWP777 said:
Yes he would be. Although his numbers and minutes are down this year, he's an excellent shooter. He shoots a good percentage from the line and 3 point land. He has also never missed a game in his NBA career so he's durable. I just don't really see why Memphis would part with him for Landry, but if they would we need to jump all over it.
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From everything I've read in the local rags there, the team is very happy with Mayo. Add in that Landry is an expiring contract, I don't see this happening. I'm sure they would love to unload some excess baggage, but don't don't consider Mayo to be part of that.

If we want to trade Landry, then we have to find a team that really needs his services. And although Memphis could surely use him, they're not in desperate need of him. Randolph eats up most of the minutes at PF, and they have Carroll and Arthur as backup's. They're biggest need ironicly is at the position Mayo plays. Shooting guard! They have pleny of depth there, but its all inexperienced. As I said, I just don't see this happening
 
TheWileyVet

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bajaden said:
From everything I've read in the local rags there, the team is very happy with Mayo. Add in that Landry is an expiring contract, I don't see this happening. I'm sure they would love to unload some excess baggage, but don't don't consider Mayo to be part of that.

If we want to trade Landry, then we have to find a team that really needs his services. And although Memphis could surely use him, they're not in desperate need of him. Randolph eats up most of the minutes at PF, and they have Carroll and Arthur as backup's. They're biggest need ironicly is at the position Mayo plays. Shooting guard! They have pleny of depth there, but its all inexperienced. As I said, I just don't see this happening
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boooooo
 
kingsboi

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Anybody hear that rumor about Hedo coming back here? I saw someone on the Kings Forum post it on RealGM. Apparently the Suns are very high on JT and want him in return and there was no mention of them having interest of Carl.
 
TTown Kings

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kingsboi said:
Anybody hear that rumor about Hedo coming back here? I saw someone on the Kings Forum post it on RealGM. Apparently the Suns are very high on JT and want him in return and there was no mention of them having interest of Carl.
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We should have no interest in Hedo and his terrible contract. If we gave up JT for him I'd be pissed.
 
rainmaker

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I'll throw this idea out there.....again. Brick seems to be the only other poster aware of this guy.

Houston wants Landry back. Have seen those rumors in multiple sources.

Kings are looking for a pg, and have been rumored to go after Collison, Teague, and Brooks.

I hate Brooks. Shoot first pg who plays worse defense than Beno.

What about Kyle Lowry? Trade Landry back to Houston, who actually wants him, and go after Lowry, who has more upside IMO than Brooks, and will be replaced by Brooks in the starting lineup in a couple weeks.

I know you all caught his 22/12/6 game last week. Actually, most likely none of you did, because 99% of you don't have a clue who he is. I've written multiple posts about Lowry over the last year, and have gotten one response total. How is it that none of you know who he is, and that he would fit well next to Tyreke?
 
sidney

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bajaden said:
From everything I've read in the local rags there, the team is very happy with Mayo. Add in that Landry is an expiring contract, I don't see this happening. I'm sure they would love to unload some excess baggage, but don't don't consider Mayo to be part of that.

If we want to trade Landry, then we have to find a team that really needs his services. And although Memphis could surely use him, they're not in desperate need of him. Randolph eats up most of the minutes at PF, and they have Carroll and Arthur as backup's. They're biggest need ironicly is at the position Mayo plays. Shooting guard! They have pleny of depth there, but its all inexperienced. As I said, I just don't see this happening
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If Gasol, Conley, and Randolph all start new contracts next year (Conley already has his) they are going to add a ton of salary and be close to the tax. Surprising that they put Mayo on the bench so while the papers may say they like him still something is a little wonky. Also....this is Memphis we are talking about. Who knows how cheap they want to be.
 
Sarunas

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#56
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rainmaker said:
I'll throw this idea out there.....again. Brick seems to be the only other poster aware of this guy.

Houston wants Landry back. Have seen those rumors in multiple sources.

Kings are looking for a pg, and have been rumored to go after Collison, Teague, and Brooks.

I hate Brooks. Shoot first pg who plays worse defense than Beno.

What about Kyle Lowry? Trade Landry back to Houston, who actually wants him, and go after Lowry, who has more upside IMO than Brooks, and will be replaced by Brooks in the starting lineup in a couple weeks.

I know you all caught his 22/12/6 game last week. Actually, most likely none of you did, because 99% of you don't have a clue who he is. I've written multiple posts about Lowry over the last year, and have gotten one response total. How is it that none of you know who he is, and that he would fit well next to Tyreke?
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I don't think this could happen. The Rockets are higher on Lowry than Brooks. I think Lowry so far this season has made Brooks somewhat expendable actually.
 
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sidney said:
If Gasol, Conley, and Randolph all start new contracts next year (Conley already has his) they are going to add a ton of salary and be close to the tax. Surprising that they put Mayo on the bench so while the papers may say they like him still something is a little wonky. Also....this is Memphis we are talking about. Who knows how cheap they want to be.
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It would have to be a 3 way I think..
At first I thought Philly w/ Iggy to Memphis but that just adds to the problems...

Now i'm thinking along the lines of Brandon Rush and Indy

Landry to Indy
Rush + Pick or filler to Memphis
Mayo to Sac

It may be a good starting point, Memphis will get a defender/shooter in the SG slot, although a prospect.. Indy get's their interior big, Sac gets Mayo - seems like a solid deal for all 3 teams
 
matthew76

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Nighthawk1 said:
It would have to be a 3 way I think..
At first I thought Philly w/ Iggy to Memphis but that just adds to the problems...

Now i'm thinking along the lines of Brandon Rush and Indy

Landry to Indy
Rush + Pick or filler to Memphis
Mayo to Sac

It may be a good starting point, Memphis will get a defender/shooter in the SG slot, although a prospect.. Indy get's their interior big, Sac gets Mayo - seems like a solid deal for all 3 teams
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maybe include beno to the pacers, and tj ford to us? salaries would work (yours currently doesn't) and pacers get a slightly-less paid back-up PG
 
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