can you explain how the bulls could have landed all three? i know cavs were out cuz bosh didnt want to play there. and miami had enough room under the cap to sign all three, plus with the no state tax, they could all get the same amount of money as a max contract but give up a little to sign other FA. i thought chicago could only sign 2 max FA at most with around $30 million. and with the ability to play with bosh AND wade, lebron chose miami.
Did Lebron James Make the Right Decision?
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Because Wade has proven he can lead a team to a championship and LeBron hasn't. However it all plays out, LeBron is either hiding behind or next to Wade. At the very least he'll never be the no. 1 undisputed leader of that team, and with that his opportunity to prove he's GOAT or even in the discussion of GOAT disappears.
And wade has done WHAT since then? Nothing!
You really believe that if you switched wade or Kobe for lebron on those championship teams that those teams would have lost since "lebron hasn't proven he can lead a team to a championship"? Well have wade or Kobe lead a team of scrubs to the finals? Nope!
You really believe that if you switched wade or Kobe for lebron on those championship teams that those teams would have lost since "lebron hasn't proven he can lead a team to a championship"? Well have wade or Kobe lead a team of scrubs to the finals? Nope!
Why can't he be the leader of this team? Last I checked wade made himself a free agent for this offseason too. He has no teammates to speak of and he hasn't done squat the last few years. This team is almost like an expansion team except rather than average players and college players forming a team we have 2 superduper stars and one all star with the rest pending.
Did you honestly just compare the Miami Heat roster from the past few years since their championship to that of the Cleveland Cavs? Because if you did .... Well I'll let that speak for itself. Because you know, the Cavs were full of D-leaguers and stuff. Oh and what was that? LeBron was injured and sat out almost a whole season you say? Oh .... Oh hey wait, that was Wade wasn't it?
I find it funny how people say Lebron >>> Kobe, and then follow by saying (not directed at you) "If lebron were on the lakers they would have won too". How does that even make sense?? If Lebron truly is so much better than Kobe, then he would have been able to lead a much lesser team to win a championship. Now, I have no doubt in Lebron's talent nor his place as the possible top player in the league. He is also not entirely "riding Wade's coattails" per se, but he's not doing it on his own either. Is that wrong? Not exactly ... and no one is saying it's wrong. It's simply not what the real best players do, especially those in the conversation for GOAT.
Ah, this discussion is going to be on and on. It's just funny how the best team in the East from the past two years in the regular season is suddenly full of scrubs comparable to Miami, and far far worse than the Lakers. This is good stuff. Carry on.
I find it funny how people say Lebron >>> Kobe, and then follow by saying (not directed at you) "If lebron were on the lakers they would have won too". How does that even make sense?? If Lebron truly is so much better than Kobe, then he would have been able to lead a much lesser team to win a championship. Now, I have no doubt in Lebron's talent nor his place as the possible top player in the league. He is also not entirely "riding Wade's coattails" per se, but he's not doing it on his own either. Is that wrong? Not exactly ... and no one is saying it's wrong. It's simply not what the real best players do, especially those in the conversation for GOAT.
Ah, this discussion is going to be on and on. It's just funny how the best team in the East from the past two years in the regular season is suddenly full of scrubs comparable to Miami, and far far worse than the Lakers. This is good stuff. Carry on.
You just proved my point. You can't win without a legit number 2 man. And wades teams have been trash the last few years and he hasn't done anything. I said in an earlier post that he was injured that one year. My argument is not entirely about whether lebron is better than Kobe or wade but to the fact that people say he can't lead a team to a ring when in fact Kobe and wade haven't done anything when their roster isn't stacked.
There are alot of replies in this thread so I hope I'm not saying anything that's already been said hahaha.
But as for the original topic yes I think Lebron made the right decision. But he clearly could of handled it better as the whole decision crap was a spectacular display of loserdom. I remember years ago I was an original witness I thought this kid could do no wrong and I have always seen him as more Magic than MJ and in no way is that a bad thing. He's too unselfish for his own good, he has that Magic blood in him not that cold bloodedness MJ possesses.
He's not mentally built to do it all by himself and sadly no man can win a team game by himself. Looking at it from a full out fan perspective the guy who is the biggest loser in this whole thing is Chris Bosh. For months people have wanted this cat to come to there team, thinking he is the piece to take them over the top when he isn't. He was the most annoying part about this whole fiasco, he's done virtually nothing in this league and made this thing into a platform to launch his own brand.
Lebron gave Cleveland 7 years of his career took em to the finals once and won 2 MVPs. When it came to having to add that last guy to help him, they dropped the ball. At the trading deadline Pho offered Amare for JJ Hickson and pieces, Ferry didn't wanna do it and now Bron is in Miami.
It's gonna be entertaining watching this go down I think anything less then 2-3 titles in the 6 years they are together is a disappointment for that type of talent that has been assembled.
But as for the original topic yes I think Lebron made the right decision. But he clearly could of handled it better as the whole decision crap was a spectacular display of loserdom. I remember years ago I was an original witness I thought this kid could do no wrong and I have always seen him as more Magic than MJ and in no way is that a bad thing. He's too unselfish for his own good, he has that Magic blood in him not that cold bloodedness MJ possesses.
He's not mentally built to do it all by himself and sadly no man can win a team game by himself. Looking at it from a full out fan perspective the guy who is the biggest loser in this whole thing is Chris Bosh. For months people have wanted this cat to come to there team, thinking he is the piece to take them over the top when he isn't. He was the most annoying part about this whole fiasco, he's done virtually nothing in this league and made this thing into a platform to launch his own brand.
Lebron gave Cleveland 7 years of his career took em to the finals once and won 2 MVPs. When it came to having to add that last guy to help him, they dropped the ball. At the trading deadline Pho offered Amare for JJ Hickson and pieces, Ferry didn't wanna do it and now Bron is in Miami.
It's gonna be entertaining watching this go down I think anything less then 2-3 titles in the 6 years they are together is a disappointment for that type of talent that has been assembled.
Interesting piece about Cal Ripken Jr. - a hometown guy that chose not to leave his team.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=At7QDJLrGqhFHPJu7fMxJHo5nYcB?slug=lc-ripkenjames071210
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=At7QDJLrGqhFHPJu7fMxJHo5nYcB?slug=lc-ripkenjames071210
So far I've found that it's the opposite. A lot of people I know are moving on to other sports or something because the NBA has now turned into the Lakers vs Heat league. I just hope that what LeBron and Bosh did doesn't have a domino effect. Just having 3 or 4 super teams will eventually run the league into the ground
Professional sports leagues are trying to sell this image that their leagues have true parity, when in fact, none of them do. The big market teams always have an advantage. The billionaire owners always have an advantage. States with no sales or income tax have an advantage. You can't legislate parity, because certain factors are not in anyone's control.
You can make changes to your system so that you make it harder on teams to build dynasties, and easier for bad teams to fix their mistakes and get back in the mix. The NBA has done things in that vein for several years now, because they want fans of the Indiana Pacers to pay for League Pass and buy season tickets in hopes that their team will/can contend for a title. Not that they can't, but the league is tilted toward the big market teams. Always has been, always will be.
You can make changes to your system so that you make it harder on teams to build dynasties, and easier for bad teams to fix their mistakes and get back in the mix. The NBA has done things in that vein for several years now, because they want fans of the Indiana Pacers to pay for League Pass and buy season tickets in hopes that their team will/can contend for a title. Not that they can't, but the league is tilted toward the big market teams. Always has been, always will be.
This is my last post about this topic ... Of course, James made the right decision because it was HIS decision and he did what he wanted to do. It is his life and it is too short to listen to everybody taking into consideration that those "teachers" and "advisers" are usually talentless couch-potatoes.
And of course there are a lot of oracles and geniuses who already know his destiny, some people absolutely sure that Miami will win 0 titles, some people know that James will be a second fiddle and I can continue this list.
Let's wait a little bit before making such bold statements; not even one game is played.
And of course there are a lot of oracles and geniuses who already know his destiny, some people absolutely sure that Miami will win 0 titles, some people know that James will be a second fiddle and I can continue this list.
Let's wait a little bit before making such bold statements; not even one game is played.
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While that's true, if (and this is admittedly a big IF) this season plays out in such a way that LeBron is obviously Numero Uno on that team and it's in fact Wade who takes a back seat, and they win a championship, then LeBron becomes a difference maker. They go from being a fringe playoff team that got beat in five in the first round, to the champs. While LeBron can never supplant Wade as the guy who got them there first, if the roles make it clear that he is The Man, then what happened in 2006 ceases to matter.
I don't know how it's going to play out. I just don't think that just because Wade is the guy that's been there that it means LeBron is necessarily second fiddle. I think it depends on the shape that the team takes as the season goes on. The scales are tilted in Wade's favor, but that doesn't mean that it can't change.
I don't know how it's going to play out. I just don't think that just because Wade is the guy that's been there that it means LeBron is necessarily second fiddle. I think it depends on the shape that the team takes as the season goes on. The scales are tilted in Wade's favor, but that doesn't mean that it can't change.
Didn't want to make a new thread..but..Here’s an interesting read about Lebron.
Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heatfreeagency071610
The guy talks about loyalty, how classy the organization is but he doesn’t believe in any of that. I wish people wouldn’t coddle these athletes at such a young age. The ego and lack of respect for anyone but themselves is embarrassing…I guess I was wrong about Lebron’s “Team” pushing him into something.
Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heatfreeagency071610
The guy talks about loyalty, how classy the organization is but he doesn’t believe in any of that. I wish people wouldn’t coddle these athletes at such a young age. The ego and lack of respect for anyone but themselves is embarrassing…I guess I was wrong about Lebron’s “Team” pushing him into something.
I'm curious if those that support this decision by Lebron would also support a decision by CP3 and Carmelo to join Stoudemire in NY? So they get together for lunch and make the group decision to form their own little "dream team". Would that sit well with you? Then we could have a couple of "super" teams and the rest could eat popcorn.
Wojnarowski's articles have been interesting reads but if you go back he has clearly been anti-Lebron for quite some time. All the olympic stuff is interesting if true (the part about all the non-players hating him and almost leaving him off the team) and he does basically accuse Wade of telling Riley to dump contracts which would definitely be collusion but of course unproveable.
Even though I am willing to believe most of that stuff I really have to take Wojnarowski's stuff with a HUGE grain of salt because he is the only one reporting this story in as negative a light as he has been.
Even though I am willing to believe most of that stuff I really have to take Wojnarowski's stuff with a HUGE grain of salt because he is the only one reporting this story in as negative a light as he has been.
I don't get the Indiana example vis a vis parity because it's not too long ago that Indy had a healthy streak of playoff relevance, even beating the Knicks one year, and having a 13 pt lead over Chicago in a Game 7. The main reason was that they had something approximating a superstar at the time. Get a superstar and then you can talk about parity. Chris Webber. Tim Duncan. Malone-Stockton. Drexler. Kidd (the Nets made the Finals twice, good God).
How can you legislate making it easy to fix stupid decisions while penalizing more cunning FOs that are able to build a great roster? We're also not far from the dynasty of one of the smallest markets in the league. Should Buford have been hindered during the process?
How can you legislate making it easy to fix stupid decisions while penalizing more cunning FOs that are able to build a great roster? We're also not far from the dynasty of one of the smallest markets in the league. Should Buford have been hindered during the process?
With respect to Supes' suggestions, if the NBA had a player's union as strong as, say, Major League Baseball, it wouldn't be as significant an issue. In my personal opinion, I think that the union should negotiate that free agents should not be allowed to sign for less than a certain percentage below their relative market value, unless they're staying with their original team. Like when Duncan took a little less than the max so that San Antonio could build a better team around him. And, yes, even Dwyane Wade should be commended for doing the same thing... But, while there are all kinds of people trying to defend James and Bosh's decision from a player standpoint, and a free agent standpoint, I think that, overall, it hurts the players' bargaining power to have max players signing for significantly less than the max to form the Superfriends on one team.
I mean, some people got paid this summer, but as you'll recall the chronology of it, that was before James and Bosh changed the game. And, now that they have, it's going to be to the detriment of the "midcard" teams of the NBA. Certainly, the Heat and the gd lakers will still be able to get quality players to sign with the for the vet minimum, or the LLE, and that's good for them, not so good for the Pacers and Bobcats and Hornets. Which, in turn, hurts the players: You're not going to continue to see "glue guys" like Sefalosha end up on a midcard team, because they're not going to sign with a midcarder for low dollars, and midcarders aren't going to pay them a lot when they know that there's only two, maybe three teams that are actually in contention.
This is a completely arbitrary number, but I think ninety percent works: I think that the player's union should negotiate for the next CBA that players cannot sign for less than ninety percent of their market value, unless they're staying with their original team and/or the team that has their bird rights.
I mean, some people got paid this summer, but as you'll recall the chronology of it, that was before James and Bosh changed the game. And, now that they have, it's going to be to the detriment of the "midcard" teams of the NBA. Certainly, the Heat and the gd lakers will still be able to get quality players to sign with the for the vet minimum, or the LLE, and that's good for them, not so good for the Pacers and Bobcats and Hornets. Which, in turn, hurts the players: You're not going to continue to see "glue guys" like Sefalosha end up on a midcard team, because they're not going to sign with a midcarder for low dollars, and midcarders aren't going to pay them a lot when they know that there's only two, maybe three teams that are actually in contention.
This is a completely arbitrary number, but I think ninety percent works: I think that the player's union should negotiate for the next CBA that players cannot sign for less than ninety percent of their market value, unless they're staying with their original team and/or the team that has their bird rights.