Summer League Game 1 Quickie Grades

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Greene ( B- ) -- respectable game most memorable for him bleeding all pover everything. Took a early shot to the nose from Monroe in the early minutes and never seemd to quit bleeding for the rest of the game. Had some nice offensive moments including working the post over scrawny Austin Daye, making a nice drive and dumpoff dish in traffic to Cousins, and adding a nice cut and reverse finish inside on t he pass from Casspi. Had several help blocks, but overall not overwhelming on defense against not terribly impressive competition of the Dajuan Summers level.
Whiteside ( B+ ) -- heh -- wow. In the early going he only did one thing well, but he did that one so ridiculously well that he was having a big impact anyway. Just flying over help blocking on everything. For all that I was a bit disappointed by Cousins defensive presence in there, Whiteside had every Piston looking over his shoulder by the end of the first quarter. Had 5 blocks, and probably at least that many not counted for various reasons (blocking continuations etc.). Offensively missed several of those little open 18 foot jumpers he is supposed to be able to hit, and in the early going looked like his scrawniness was letting him get bounced and bumped off the boards too easily. Took a big fall courtesy of Monroe (who seemed to be trying to shake his softness rep by thugging our guys), getting knocked out of the air trying to dunk and crashing onto his not terribly padded back. Just plucked the ball out of the air on one Detroit drive. Came on late offensively, got a post on Monroe, then a dunk inside, then we got to watch the commissioner tell us everything was hunky dorry rather than see anymore.
Cousins ( B ) -- The Good: it took all of one game for DeMarcus to prove that he's more than just a thug out there. He showed all kinds of skills all over the court. Droppped several nifty passes, hit jumpers, showed ballhandling. The Better: His best trait of the night? Looking like he could be a major defensive rebounder, and a big guy who snags the defensive board and then immediately turns and throws the outlet pass up the court. That can be a major trigger to a fastbreak, and he did it again and again. The Not So Good: for all the nifty stuff I would have liked to have seen more of the thug. He had one big power dunk in traffic, buit really otherwise seemed all too content to float around outside trying to dribble, pass and shoot jumpers. Nice to know he has those skills, but that was junky after a while. The bread and butter is inside, go there and show it to us big guy. The other issue I would say is his defense. Despite the bulk he was actually backed down by Monroe several times and really did not physically intimidate him the way you would have hoped. And as a help defense guy...just did not show anything as a shotblocker at all. In fact spent most of the night doing his best Mikki Moore imitatikon and constantly trying to run over and take charges. Given that he's maybe an inch shorter than Whiteside the difference in approach and effectiveness could not be more stark. Be interested in seeing how the rest of summer league goes, because these things have implications for the future -- if Demarcus is not a shotblocker, then you would like to start him next to one. Maybe even Whiteside. If he is a shotblocker, then his frontcourt mate is a lot more open.
Thompson ( B+ ) -- I was admittedly paying less attention here than I was to the frontcourt guys on the assumption that Thompson was just a scrubby token here as a favor to his brother. But while the assumption may still be true, RT got my attention early and often with an aggressive to the basket game. Did not do much else on the glass or with pasig, but he atacked the rim fast and hard, and was competitive on defense as well. I don't have any feel for whether that is normal for him, but he looked good in the early going.
Sloan ( C+?) -- had a couple of nice moments in the early going with a nifty behind the back escape dribble in the paint, and a nice slashing attack of the rim, then he just disappeared for the rest of the game and never made an other shot. You could see the strength and athleticism, but it was mostly oriented toward scoring, and we did not see much offense running from him. Boogie was actually making more hapopen than either of our PGs. Bumped his grade because i dod not really know what to expect yet, adn his couple of spectacular moments were more memorabel than the empty ones. Realistically by production its lower.

Casspi ( B+ ) -- came in off the bench firing. Actually I think it would be fair to say came in off the bench selfish. Was quick shooting and and playing the star. Looks better when you are converting, but his first wave of offense was mostly forced drives into traffic and turnovers. Settled in and heated up though, and began to dominate play as the half wore on. Made a nifty pass to Donte on the cut, hit a three, and as much as anyhing else was just outcompeting the Pistons on his way to being the leading scorer of the half. Drained another couple of threes and looked offensively potent against this competition before sitting down.
Rice ( B ) - early on I was not terrobly impressed. Hit a three, but looked largely the standard undersized quick scoring type guard, and was overdribbling. But in the late third began to really attack the rim with a vengeance, and came up with several spectacular finishes in there. Not sure if its sustainable, and I think it owuld be nice for a twerp PG to have a positive assist/wild drive ratio, but it was effective this time out, and to whatevr degree he might be competing with Sloan to be or designated doughnut retriever this year, worth watching next time out,
Chisolm ( B- ) -- solid effort from a big you would ahve to expect has almsot no chance to make the team. Not sure what he really does well off of this one, but he was solid on the glass, and went played within hismelf on offense, getting lcose to the hoop, setting picks, an generally looking like he understood how to play even if he does not have a great talent.
Atchley ( INC ) -- at least that's who I assume the tall white guy wws whoi briefly appeared in the first half. The rest of the garbagetime crew all got to play the final 4:19, but we did not get to see it because they deemed Stern must see TV. Atchley played 5:58, so I assume he was the cup of coffee guy in the fiurst half, then got 4:19 at the end. In the 1:39 I actually got to see him I had no notes.
Chrsitmas ( C ) -- did little to shake the reputation as a guy who can realy shoot, but not actually play basketball. Dropped a long jumper early, missed his only three, and critically for a guy who is trying to make the roster as a shooter, missed a technical in the 4th. The rest of his game was empty.
 
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CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#2
My view IMHO:

I have seen some 12 summer leagues and in 8-9 of those, watched the first games for a number of Kings (and other) teams. This effort by the Kings was the best 1st game of a summer league I've seen. Period. The new group played almost as a team with very little out-of-control play. Sure there was some but IT WAS the 1st game. Impressed with Coach Elie's impact this early.

Omri did what was expected of him for the start of a new year and showed marked improvements.

Thompson was a surprise and shot and moved really well in limited minutes and should be threat for back up 2.

Sloan was good but still dribbled a bit too much looking for shot or other mates (who needed to move more w/o the ball)

Brick pretty much summed up the 3 bigs we have

Rice is a ? in my mind. Need to see him in couple more games.

It is only the first game. So valid inputs will start with games 3 and 4 later this week when Bajaden and I can provide some better input from courtside.

Jason Jones quickie Blog after the game provide some more points:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/
 
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Entity

Hall of Famer
#3
Sorry Brick I have to call strwman on one of your takes. When you said Monroe backed Cousins down SEVERAL times. that kinda of insinuates he was having his will. When Monroe actually only had 7 points and 2 of those were on a fast break and 4 when DMC wasn't in the game. I guess he had a freethrow as well somewhere. I distinctly remember them focusing on Monroe in the post one time and I noticed and the commentators made not that DMC didn't give up 1inch instead making Monroe slid over and back toward the freethrow line. I just watched it again where I could just focus on the matchup of those 2 and I never saw Monroe do anything when DMC was defending him 1 on 1. However I do agree with the jumpshots. I would like to see a guard be able to get the ball to DMC in the post as well.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#4
Monroe didn't really back him down, he kind of finessed and wiggled his way down low and did indeed get position on Cousins, but I wouldn't say he "backed him down". At least not in a power sense.

From what I've read it sounds like Westphal and co. might be looking at Whiteside and Cousins together in the frontcourt moving forward and so far it looked pretty good. Whiteside erased a lot of mistakes out there. I almost expect him to be waived for some odd reason. Just doesn't fit the Kings "mentality" :p
 
#5
Sorry Brick I have to call strwman on one of your takes. When you said Monroe backed Cousins down SEVERAL times. that kinda of insinuates he was having his will. When Monroe actually only had 7 points and 2 of those were on a fast break and 4 when DMC wasn't in the game. I guess he had a freethrow as well somewhere. I distinctly remember them focusing on Monroe in the post one time and I noticed and the commentators made not that DMC didn't give up 1inch instead making Monroe slid over and back toward the freethrow line. I just watched it again where I could just focus on the matchup of those 2 and I never saw Monroe do anything when DMC was defending him 1 on 1. However I do agree with the jumpshots. I would like to see a guard be able to get the ball to DMC in the post as well.
Agree.. I know I wear rose colored goggles, but I didn't see Monroe backing down Cousins much, if at all. I was paying attention when those two matched up, and didn't see any imposing going on on the side of Monroe.. I was about to post the same thing you just did until I saw you wrote it.

There was that "finesse" play in the 3rd quarter I think where he went around Cousins, but he was not moving Cousins around at all from what I remembered.
 
#6
Monroe didn't really back him down, he kind of finessed and wiggled his way down low and did indeed get position on Cousins, but I wouldn't say he "backed him down". At least not in a power sense.

From what I've read it sounds like Westphal and co. might be looking at Whiteside and Cousins together in the frontcourt moving forward and so far it looked pretty good. Whiteside erased a lot of mistakes out there. I almost expect him to be waived for some odd reason. Just doesn't fit the Kings "mentality" :p
Isn't Whiteside on a guaranteed contract? I know it's kind of "tongue and cheek" what you had said but I heard Maloof talking about how he's in the plans for the future.. Which brought a big smile to my face.
 
#8
I was very impressed by Ryan Thompson. He did everything pretty well. Made smart plays, defended Daye well who's been killing it, and even brought the ball up the court a little bit.
 
#9
I felt this was big problem, it wasn't just that he was playing outside, but when he was in the post nobody really got him the ball.

Agree with this as well.. He would get position pretty much at will and he would have to clear the path for the guard who wanted to take it in and shoot. This was another reason I didn't agree with Vlade on the game thread.. Cousins would get position almost every offensive set.. Problem was we didn't have a guard capable of giving him the ball consistently. I would go as far as to say I think Cousins was probably the best passer out there today.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#10
Sorry Brick I have to call strwman on one of your takes. When you said Monroe backed Cousins down SEVERAL times. that kinda of insinuates he was having his will. When Monroe actually only had 7 points and 2 of those were on a fast break and 4 when DMC wasn't in the game. I guess he had a freethrow as well somewhere. I distinctly remember them focusing on Monroe in the post one time and I noticed and the commentators made not that DMC didn't give up 1inch instead making Monroe slid over and back toward the freethrow line. I just watched it again where I could just focus on the matchup of those 2 and I never saw Monroe do anything when DMC was defending him 1 on 1. However I do agree with the jumpshots. I would like to see a guard be able to get the ball to DMC in the post as well.

He did indeed back him down several times in the early going. But that is where Whiteside entered the picture.
 
#11
Sorry Brick I have to call strwman on one of your takes. When you said Monroe backed Cousins down SEVERAL times. that kinda of insinuates he was having his will. When Monroe actually only had 7 points and 2 of those were on a fast break and 4 when DMC wasn't in the game. I guess he had a freethrow as well somewhere. I distinctly remember them focusing on Monroe in the post one time and I noticed and the commentators made not that DMC didn't give up 1inch instead making Monroe slid over and back toward the freethrow line. I just watched it again where I could just focus on the matchup of those 2 and I never saw Monroe do anything when DMC was defending him 1 on 1. However I do agree with the jumpshots. I would like to see a guard be able to get the ball to DMC in the post as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-SS0NLkgDc

50 seconds in. Pretty sure that was the play Brick was referencing.

Its clear DMC has some work to do in order to get his post defense up to par, but keep in mind Monroe was one of the more potent post scorers in college ball. He projects into a good offensive player in the pros. Its not surprising he was able to get position against DMC. The first step will probably be to get his conditioning up to scratch so he has more energy to fight the positioning early on. Second will probably to learn a more fundamental understanding of leverage in the post.

He's really big, heavy and long. With his natural talent and Bball IQ there is no reason he shouldn't be a steller post defender in the NBA.
 
#12
Cousins ( B ) -- The Not So Good: for all the nifty stuff I would have liked to have seen more of the thug. He had one big power dunk in traffic, buit really otherwise seemed all too content to float around outside trying to dribble, pass and shoot jumpers. Nice to know he has those skills, but that was junky after a while. The bread and butter is inside, go there and show it to us big guy. The other issue I would say is his defense. Despite the bulk he was actually backed down by Monroe several times and really did not physically intimidate him the way you would have hoped. And as a help defense guy...just did not show anything as a shotblocker at all. In fact spent most of the night doing his best Mikki Moore imitatikon and constantly trying to run over and take charges. Given that he's maybe an inch shorter than Whiteside the difference in approach and effectiveness could not be more stark. Be interested in seeing how the rest of summer league goes, because these things have implications for the future -- if Demarcus is not a shotblocker, then you would like to start him next to one. Maybe even Whiteside. If he is a shotblocker, then his frontcourt mate is a lot more open.
This was the first time ever seeing Cousins play so I really hesitate in making observations, but I had just assumed he'd was more athletic and would provide more of a theat on the defensive end. He didn't look all too athletic out there today, maybe it was playing next to Whiteside, maybe because he didn't need to...I don't know. But I too would like to see what to make of his shotblocking abilities or the lack thereof.
 
#13
Yeah, ive got to say I also TOTALLY MISSED the backing down of Cousins by Monroe. I think almost all of the freethrows Cousins took were from being fouled next to the basket.
 

Capt. Factorial

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Staff member
#15
Cousins more or less lived up to my expectations, with the traffic dunk and a few long grabs on rebounds he wasn't really in position for the highlights for me. I hope to see him play down low a bit more in later games.

Casspi looked solid, though the form on his jumper looked a bit stale (I remember it being very fluid last year, this time out it kind of looked like he was shoving the ball instead of shooting it...). He had a couple of strong takes to the basket that I liked, one good fast break and one where he should have dumped off to Donté.

Greene also looked good but was a bit quiet.

I liked my first look at Ryan Thompson - seemed to be a good shooter, a good slasher, I liked his effort on both sides of the court.

As far as Sloan/Rice goes, Sloan was unspectacular but seemed to be in control all the time. I thought he did a good job running the offense. Rice on the other hand scared the crap out of me. He looked out of control with the dribble at all times - I was continually surprised that the defense did not steal it from him every time he touched it. He seemed to have no ability to run the team at all, and until he got aggressive in the third and started taking it to the hole (to good effect, I will admit) he looked to me like a nother player on the garbage heap. If this game is representative, I don't see Rice making the squad, 3rd quarter or no 3rd quarter. Either that, or we'll have to get a sponsorship from Tums so we have some product samples every time he brings the ball up the court.

But Whiteside, Whiteside, Whiteside. I will admit to Hassan having me giggling like a schoolgirl over his block spree in this game. We have had absolutely nothing like that on the floor for us in years - I don't even think Keon compares based on this one-game sample. Does he have a lot to learn? Sure. But the hardest thing to learn is timing, and the impossible thing to learn is length, and he's already got both in spades. We'll get him to learn defensive fundamentals. We'll straighten out that jump shot, which looked a lot better in the workout videos than it did during game time. It will come. And those sweet blocked shots are what's going to earn him the floor time to learn the rest. Not to take anything away from Cousins - he met my expectations. But Whiteside, even with only a one-dimensional game, exceeded them.

As a side note - exactly how many fouls did Detroit commit in this game? I'm pretty sure they were pushing 40 when NBATV cut out for Stern's press conference with about 7 minutes to go in the game. Clearly more than a foul a minute. I think they committed four fouls in the first 46 seconds of the second half. It was ridiculous.
 
#16
This was the first time ever seeing Cousins play so I really hesitate in making observations, but I had just assumed he'd was more athletic and would provide more of a theat on the defensive end. He didn't look all too athletic out there today, maybe it was playing next to Whiteside, maybe because he didn't need to...I don't know. But I too would like to see what to make of his shotblocking abilities or the lack thereof.
He's not the most athletic but he's a real special player.. He will be a star.. He has the "it" factor.
 
#17
He's not the most athletic but he's a real special player.. He will be a star.. He has the "it" factor.
Yea, I think it may have been my own doing. I kept hearing all these things about him since the Kings drafted him and thought to myself hey, he kind of sounds like a Chris Webber-esqe player with the offensive skills, the passing, the rebounding even the supposed off court issues. As we all know Webb in his younger, pre shotty knee days was quite explosive and athletic, so I was making the unnecessary comparions. But, like I said, it was one summer leauge game, 25 min of play, there is undoubtely a lot more to evaluate.
 
#19
Thanks, Brick and you folks who kicked in comments and insights on today's game. I got to see the first quarter but could not get in again. In what i saw they did look like a team playing together which is no mean accomplishment in a first game together.
 
#20
Yea, I think it may have been my own doing. I kept hearing all these things about him since the Kings drafted him and thought to myself hey, he kind of sounds like a Chris Webber-esqe player with the offensive skills, the passing, the rebounding even the supposed off court issues. As we all know Webb in his younger, pre shotty knee days was quite explosive and athletic, so I was making the unnecessary comparions. But, like I said, it was one summer leauge game, 25 min of play, there is undoubtely a lot more to evaluate.

Chris Webber wasn't 285 pounds though. I have no worries about Cousins explosiveness. That one really impressive post move around 3 piston defenders for the 2 handed slam was enough to erase any doubts I had.
 
#22
Yea, I think it may have been my own doing. I kept hearing all these things about him since the Kings drafted him and thought to myself hey, he kind of sounds like a Chris Webber-esqe player with the offensive skills, the passing, the rebounding even the supposed off court issues. As we all know Webb in his younger, pre shotty knee days was quite explosive and athletic, so I was making the unnecessary comparions. But, like I said, it was one summer leauge game, 25 min of play, there is undoubtely a lot more to evaluate.
Been watching him at UK as well.. He has always intrigued me since I started watching John Wall, and thought to myself "Damn! This Cousins guy is better than I thought!" From that day I watched my first UK game of last season I knew I wanted Cousins on the Kings.. He is VERY good. I would not be surprised if by his 3rd year in the league he is putting up 23ppg 13rpg 3apg 2bpg.

And I wouldn't be surprised if given 30 minutes a game this season if he was to put up 15ppg 10rpg 2apg 1.5bpg while pulling in the ROY award.
 
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Nickname game – Small forward Donté Greene recently referred to rookie forward Hassan Whiteside as "Stretch Armstrong" because of his wingspan and shot-blocking ability.

After Whiteside blocked five shots Monday, Cousins had another moniker.

"That's 'AKA Swat' right there," Cousins said.


LOL

Vlade, don't worry man.. He is going to be great.. Do you not like him or something?
 
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Here are the highlights for Game 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIiUdeyD738

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#29
Nickname game – Small forward Donté Greene recently referred to rookie forward Hassan Whiteside as "Stretch Armstrong" because of his wingspan and shot-blocking ability.

After Whiteside blocked five shots Monday, Cousins had another moniker.

"That's 'AKA Swat' right there," Cousins said.


LOL

Vlade, don't worry man.. He is going to be great.. Do you not like him or something?
No, of course I like him and I'm very glad we drafted him, but I'm not going to gloss over the things that concern me about his game regardless of how lucky we were to get him. I worry about whether he is going to try to push his way out to the perimeter and that's not his game regardless of how much he would like to prove to everyone that he's more than just a low post player. I know it's been repeated here many times, but he did have the nerve to say he wanted to be a SG when he showed up at Kentucky. I don't like the showboating, he can save that stuff for all-star weekend.
 
#30
My two concerns after one game with Cousins are him being too cute around the basket and slow response time. I cringed when he tried to go for a reverse against Detroit's small frontline. He did not react quickly at times either, to rebounds or transition. This I observed in college, so it is nothing new.

Brent Barry's comment on how SL isn't really going to test Cousins more than college when it comes to size was pretty spot on. I'd like to see him go up strong now. He would spin the wrong way on post moves here or there. Against NBA size, he won't be able to overcome that sort of mistake by just fading away.