The Jon Brockman Free Agency Tracker
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I love Brockmans toughness, hustle and work ethic. But he could end up on the outside looking in. We have Dalembert, Thompson, Cousins, Landry and Whiteside. He made the team last year on hustle. This year he has to go up against more size and talent than he went against last year. Unless there's an injury in camp I don't think he makes the team.
You are assuming no injuries. Brockman is the kind of guy that you want in a dress suit much of the season, until someone gets hurt (or other event that keeps them out). You then enter a fresh Brockman who will play like a beast in a pinch.
it works, because I dont't think Brockman, or anyone else, can play like him 30-40 mintes a night, 82 games a year. But in a pinch, he could be a really nice asset.
I find it unlikely that both Landry and Thompson are in the long term plans. It's coming down to the point where we have to either re-sign Landry or not, or extend JT or let him go. As Brick said, perfect 11th man type and with next summer coming up he might move up the ladder. Brockman and Cousins is going to hurt somebody!
Well actually I think we are so deep up front that I actually AM assuming injuries. Even with injuries he may never get to see the floor outside of garbagetime. He could literally be 6th on our depth chart of big men, and all of the guys ahead of him can easily expand their minutes in case of injury. That's before we get into any smallballing with Donte.
But I actually do I think its realistic for us to bring him back just mainly as a practice player. You have to carry 13 guys. Many teams carry 14 or 15. As long as we can sign him to a minimum deal he costs no more than anybody else would to fill that position, and we could hardly do better in terms of chemistry/hard work/reliability/toughness etc. which is really what you want guys who are not playing to bring. Sometime earlier in the summer I referred to him as an "elite 12th man". And by that I really do mean that while he's not good enough to be a rotation guy as a mainline player, he's built to be a perfect 12th man/practice squad guy. Its kind of the way that you would prefer having an elite roleplayer coming off the bench than just a poor starter type forced into a bench role. Well I think you would prefer to have an elite 12th man type filling that spot rather than random scrub or failed rotation guy.
But I actually do I think its realistic for us to bring him back just mainly as a practice player. You have to carry 13 guys. Many teams carry 14 or 15. As long as we can sign him to a minimum deal he costs no more than anybody else would to fill that position, and we could hardly do better in terms of chemistry/hard work/reliability/toughness etc. which is really what you want guys who are not playing to bring. Sometime earlier in the summer I referred to him as an "elite 12th man". And by that I really do mean that while he's not good enough to be a rotation guy as a mainline player, he's built to be a perfect 12th man/practice squad guy. Its kind of the way that you would prefer having an elite roleplayer coming off the bench than just a poor starter type forced into a bench role. Well I think you would prefer to have an elite 12th man type filling that spot rather than random scrub or failed rotation guy.
He should be back for all the above reasons, plus some more.
Yes, we do have good (in fact great) depth up front, but some of it is untested, and things can of course change during the season.
Cousins of course, is one of the two or three main pieces of our future core, but lot of others are either still developing, or enders, and might be traded during the season.
Consider this. Suns have lost Amare. Jazz have lost Boozer and Korver. That's two playoff teams that shall potentially see significantly more losses than last year.
Sure, we were too far out, and there are still plenty of teams ahead of us. But, if we start strong, we might be able to parlay Sam's expiring, along with some other assets for a good SG, to make a push for the playoffs. The Brockness monster is one of the guys that teams might be interested in, or he can step in if someone else (JT/Whiteside) is traded.
Yes, we do have good (in fact great) depth up front, but some of it is untested, and things can of course change during the season.
Cousins of course, is one of the two or three main pieces of our future core, but lot of others are either still developing, or enders, and might be traded during the season.
Consider this. Suns have lost Amare. Jazz have lost Boozer and Korver. That's two playoff teams that shall potentially see significantly more losses than last year.
Sure, we were too far out, and there are still plenty of teams ahead of us. But, if we start strong, we might be able to parlay Sam's expiring, along with some other assets for a good SG, to make a push for the playoffs. The Brockness monster is one of the guys that teams might be interested in, or he can step in if someone else (JT/Whiteside) is traded.
We first we simply do not need this"good shooting guard" people keep on talking about. More than that, I would go so far as to say that a "good shooting guard" might very well hurt us in the win column rather than help us. There is a reason Kobe starts next to Fisher, CP3 next to ghost of Peja, Deron next to Wesley Johnson, MJ next to guys like Paxson, BJ Armstrong and one legged Harper etc. Only room in the backcourt for one top player.
And second I really think Brockman is the guy you DON'T trade. Not because he is that talented, but because the benefits he brings are all intangibles attached to your particular team, unquantifiable, and what he adds in trade is nothing compared to the subtle support he can add as a glue guy to the Kings.
I am a little curious actually what our plans/thoughts are for moving forward. Develop the kids seems obvious, but when it comes time to try to make use of that capspace, whether in trade or free agency, who is it we realistically like?
And second I really think Brockman is the guy you DON'T trade. Not because he is that talented, but because the benefits he brings are all intangibles attached to your particular team, unquantifiable, and what he adds in trade is nothing compared to the subtle support he can add as a glue guy to the Kings.
I am a little curious actually what our plans/thoughts are for moving forward. Develop the kids seems obvious, but when it comes time to try to make use of that capspace, whether in trade or free agency, who is it we realistically like?
That's a good question. I agree that, for this season at least, there aren't any more big moves to be made. I always felt that Tyreke, Beno, and Cisco had the guard rotation covered, ditto with Donte and Omri at SF, and now with DeMarcus and Dalembert, we have plenty of beef inside with JT and Landry. Hassan should be developed slowly, and Brockman is the perfect 12th man energy/hustle practice guy. Maybe another 3rd PG, but that's pretty much it.
Next season, what do we do with the cap space we've rolled over? For one, it'll be interesting to see if the new CBA is all that different, with a harder cap, lower salaries, etc. We should be well positioned to deal with any changes with our low salary. But we also have our own free agents to take care of. Not sure at this point if we re-sign both Landry and Dalembert, but I'd imagine either one is probably looking at $6-8 million a year at least. So, I can understand if we're standing pat in anticipation of using our money on our own guys.
The biggest question is how our guys develop. Can Reke continue on the path to superstardom? Can Cousins become the franchise big man we hope him to be? Can one or both of Donte and Omri provide the defense and shooting we need on the wing? Is Cisco the ideal passing/shooting/ball handling guard next to Tyreke. Call me optimistic, but I think we're in very good shape moving forward. I'm sure there will be more holes that present themselves, but we'll have the $$$ to address them. Right now, though, it's too early to tell.
Next season, what do we do with the cap space we've rolled over? For one, it'll be interesting to see if the new CBA is all that different, with a harder cap, lower salaries, etc. We should be well positioned to deal with any changes with our low salary. But we also have our own free agents to take care of. Not sure at this point if we re-sign both Landry and Dalembert, but I'd imagine either one is probably looking at $6-8 million a year at least. So, I can understand if we're standing pat in anticipation of using our money on our own guys.
The biggest question is how our guys develop. Can Reke continue on the path to superstardom? Can Cousins become the franchise big man we hope him to be? Can one or both of Donte and Omri provide the defense and shooting we need on the wing? Is Cisco the ideal passing/shooting/ball handling guard next to Tyreke. Call me optimistic, but I think we're in very good shape moving forward. I'm sure there will be more holes that present themselves, but we'll have the $$$ to address them. Right now, though, it's too early to tell.
Actually, I always felt that we need to shore up our guard rotation a bit, and that was before news of Greene gaining height came out, which, if true, might make him more of a 3 than 2.
Going back to Reke, Cisco and Beno, I think it is grossly inadequate. Cisco has had injury history, and while we can hope he shall have an injury free, strong season, we can't plan based on it. Simialrly, Beno had two decent season in the last 3, but had a bad one prior to last. And if we have some injury, we are looking at lot of Sloan and/or Ime, etc.
I do think we need a more solid/dependable 2. He needn't be a star player, but more like Bruce Bowen, a solid defender, who can capably defend the 2 (or in some cases, 1s like Deron Williams, to take some load off Reke), and hit the corner 3s. This shall become even more important if Cousins develops into a good low post presence, so that he can benefit from his passes, and Reke's drive and kick passes.
Going back to Reke, Cisco and Beno, I think it is grossly inadequate. Cisco has had injury history, and while we can hope he shall have an injury free, strong season, we can't plan based on it. Simialrly, Beno had two decent season in the last 3, but had a bad one prior to last. And if we have some injury, we are looking at lot of Sloan and/or Ime, etc.
I do think we need a more solid/dependable 2. He needn't be a star player, but more like Bruce Bowen, a solid defender, who can capably defend the 2 (or in some cases, 1s like Deron Williams, to take some load off Reke), and hit the corner 3s. This shall become even more important if Cousins develops into a good low post presence, so that he can benefit from his passes, and Reke's drive and kick passes.
How tall he is doesn't matter is whether he's still quick enough to guard 2s. If he can stay with 2s on defense (and he was the guy guarding Kobe late when we had our close games against LA last winter if I recall correctly) then he can play 2 in our system. If he's a 7-foot shooting guard, then, well, better for us.
The cap space is interesting. And if we do nothing with it this season other than to add some one year depth then we'll really have some cap space next year. Will we resign Landry and Dalembert. Or will we sign just one of the two. Its possible that Cousins establishes himself and wins the starting job. Will Dalembert be happy returning to limited minutes off the bench. If not, he could be gone at the end of the season. Or he could go to a team at the trade deadline as an expiring for an established player or a trade exception. Perhaps Whiteside progresses faster than thought, and makes Landry unnecessary. He could also be traded as an expiring or not resigned at the end of the season.
Lets assume for a moment that Landry and Dalembert are gone at the end of the season and that Brockman accepts our qualifing offer. That would put the Kings salaries at around 30 million total. If the cap remained the same it would give the Kings about 28 million dollars under the cap to work with. Leaving them with a temporary roster of Cousins, Whiteside, Thompson, Greene, Casspi, Beno, Evans, Cisco, and Brockman. Which is a lot of talent for just 30 million dollars. Of course that would once again leave us with just one center. Unless you want to once again move Thompson over to the center spot, which I don't.
Depending on what the new rules are, the Kings could be in the cat bird seat. With a lot of the teams capping themselves out this summer, and a possible hard cap coming the following summer, the only teams that would be able to do anything in freeagency would be those teams under the cap. The question that begs answering is what happens to the teams that are over the cap. Are they given a year or two to comply. Or do they have to shed salary to comply. If the latter is true, which I would doubt, then teams already under the cap would have a smorgasbord to choose from. Anyway, it should be interesting.
There are a lot of potential freeagents of interest in 2011. I say potential because some teams like Denver are trying to head disastor off by trying to do extensions. Such as with Carmelo Anthony. But there are unrestricted freeagents like Shane Battier, Jason Kapono, Tim Duncan, Andrei Kirilenko, Tony Parker, Jason Richardson, Kendrick Perkins, Nene Hilario, David West, Yao Ming, and Leandro Barbosa to name a few. Then you have some of the restricted freeagents in Greg Oden, Mike Conley, Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Jeff Green, and Marc Gasol. I suggest we save our money till next offseason when there will be more sellers than buyers, and the price might be considerably reduced as well.
Lets assume for a moment that Landry and Dalembert are gone at the end of the season and that Brockman accepts our qualifing offer. That would put the Kings salaries at around 30 million total. If the cap remained the same it would give the Kings about 28 million dollars under the cap to work with. Leaving them with a temporary roster of Cousins, Whiteside, Thompson, Greene, Casspi, Beno, Evans, Cisco, and Brockman. Which is a lot of talent for just 30 million dollars. Of course that would once again leave us with just one center. Unless you want to once again move Thompson over to the center spot, which I don't.
Depending on what the new rules are, the Kings could be in the cat bird seat. With a lot of the teams capping themselves out this summer, and a possible hard cap coming the following summer, the only teams that would be able to do anything in freeagency would be those teams under the cap. The question that begs answering is what happens to the teams that are over the cap. Are they given a year or two to comply. Or do they have to shed salary to comply. If the latter is true, which I would doubt, then teams already under the cap would have a smorgasbord to choose from. Anyway, it should be interesting.
There are a lot of potential freeagents of interest in 2011. I say potential because some teams like Denver are trying to head disastor off by trying to do extensions. Such as with Carmelo Anthony. But there are unrestricted freeagents like Shane Battier, Jason Kapono, Tim Duncan, Andrei Kirilenko, Tony Parker, Jason Richardson, Kendrick Perkins, Nene Hilario, David West, Yao Ming, and Leandro Barbosa to name a few. Then you have some of the restricted freeagents in Greg Oden, Mike Conley, Al Horford, Joakim Noah, Jeff Green, and Marc Gasol. I suggest we save our money till next offseason when there will be more sellers than buyers, and the price might be considerably reduced as well.
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Add in a probable lottery pick and this is a very attactive destination for a free agent or agents. This offseason could be titled the year of the Superstar, followed by th year of the overpay. Wesley matthews, for instance, is going to probably get 9 million dollars to play basketball next year. And Joe freaking Johnson will be the highest paid player in the league. I am glad we are not players in this madness outside of the top two free agents.
Yeah, I'm having trouble seeing Landry in the team's future. As needed as his presence was just several months ago, the roster's developing to a point where his no-rebounding minutes feel like a waste. His main value is his go-to ability, and if Cousins becomes a major low post weapon and the young forwards continue to develop, that aspect isn't terribly necessary anymore.
I read some of these postings and think..... hey, you know, there is an NBA season coming up and the Kings are going to field a team, I'm at about a quarter of them, we have players at all the positions, some developing talent, some new guys we have hopes for, can we be competitive?, can we win some games, questions that i can't answer when some of the big parts haven't even met each other yet, things like what somebody is paid, how many years his contract is for, whether we could get somebody else, I guess I'm just not a fan of being a GM, fortunately we have a very good professional one, I'm looking forward to seeing Cousins and Whiteside play, I've never seen them play, same with Dalembert, I've seen him play but didn't pay that much attention, now he will play for the Kings, NBA games aren't necessarily that exciting for me unless the Kings are playing. I agree that Brockman is a good guy to have on the team for lots of reasons. I'm anxious to see the Kings field a team and play. Let the salary cap fall where it may. Let Petrie manage the team.
Uh....thanks for posting about something that has nothing to do with this thread? All the things you mentioned are the entire point of the personnel moves forum. We like to play GM and talk about what ifs and speculate about what moves would improve the team moving forward. If you don't like people speculating about various current and future roster moves, no one is forcing you to read this forum...
As far as Brockman goes, I think in the end he will be back for this year simply because he isn't likely to get more money or PT elsewhere. I am sure he would love to go somewhere where he could get more playing time, but i doubt he will find anyone willing to guarantee him any more PT than he would get here.
As far as Brockman goes, I think in the end he will be back for this year simply because he isn't likely to get more money or PT elsewhere. I am sure he would love to go somewhere where he could get more playing time, but i doubt he will find anyone willing to guarantee him any more PT than he would get here.
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