Greg Monro with the 5th pick

#1
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/05/slamonline-mock-draft-greg-monroe-no-5/

by Brett Callahan

Last season scouts and mock draft “experts” linked Tyreke Evans to the second half of the lottery picks, saying he was too raw, wasn’t a true point guard, and didn’t have a strong basketball IQ. Most Sacramento fans ate up the Rubio pudding and were disappointed that they let him slide to TWolves for the ball-hogging Evans. Good call.

Evans ended up smashing predictions, going fourth to the Kings, winning R.O.Y. honors, and becoming the captain of this team for at least the next decade.

When it comes to Geoff Petrie, the man who took Evans and who the Maloof brothers would extend for life if possible, not a whole lot is out in the open. The guy who looks more like a hockey coach then a basketball exec, believes in the philosophy of don’t talk about it, do it.

He’s been doing it big time in the draft ever since taking over the reigns for Sactown, even while driving fans temporarily nuts. He doesn’t make the flashy pick that everyone wants, but it’s usually the smart one.
When fans wanted John Wallace, Petrie took some Serbian cat named Peja Stojakovic, when they wanted Desmond Mason, he chose Hidayet Turkoglu, when they yelled, “Petrie, take David Harrison,” he went with Kevin Martin, and when fans, enamored over the Summer Olympics, wanted Ricky Rubio, he decided on nabbing the Rookie of the Year instead. Despite his few blunders, eeh hmm, Quincy Douby over Rajon Rondo, and, uhh, Dan Dickau over Carlos Boozer (who everyone else passed on too), Kings fans hopefully have now learned to trust him.

The first instinct bumming around mock drafts and drooling over athletic outputs is to go Wes Johnson. He’s long, a pretty freakish athlete, knocks down shots and distracts opponents. “He’s going to be the next Shawn Marion,” you say. Maybe so or maybe he’ll be the next Jarvis Hayes. He seems like a good guy, smiled a lot during the draft combine interviews, and didn’t seem void of all life like Aminu. He could end up a King, but looking at the youth on the bench, I’m betting against it.

Donte Greene and Omri Casspi, 22 and 21, are at the end of that bench, both exploding with “potential,” and ready to contribute this year. If they kept playing in college/Europe, where are they in this year’s draft? My gut tells me pretty high up, and that the Kings brass isn’t ready to call it a day on these two for the wing position. Factor in the vet, Francisco Garcia, still just 29, and that’s a loaded wing area that may not have a superstar, but certainly has some pieces to pass on Johnson and make the correct draft choice. Petrie is going to break your expectations, so I might as well follow suit. So…

With the fifth pick in the 2010 SLAMonline Mock Draft, the Sacramento Kings select…
Greg Monroe from Georgetown University.

Come on? Really? Monroe fifth? My iPhone says he should go to Utah. I know. But here’s why he should go to Sacramento:

The League is getting bigger and longer every season. Monroe, measured at 6-11 with a 7-2 wingspan, brings size, but more importantly versatility to a sometimes stagnant frontline.

The mid-season acquisition of Carl Landry may have solidified an inside scoring threat in Sacramento, but he needs some help. Landry can be close to a 20-10 guy, maybe more like 18-8, but consistently productive, nonetheless.

Beyond Landry, the Kings have been experimenting with a combo of Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes (both very young) with a mild sprinkling of some Jon Brockman, who they’ll need to re-sign.

The experimentation will continue, and there really is nothing wrong in utilizing each of these guys’ talents. Thompson brings aggressive play (sometimes too aggressive), Hawes (entering the last guaranteed year of his contract) tacks on an ability to stretch the floor with his outside game and an improving running hook, and Brockman provides some beef and hustle to frustrate opponents.

All of them have talent, but Monroe’s skill, length and vision can push him past each to be the Kings full-time center in a season or two. He adds a high IQ player to the mix, a player capable of facing up or taking his back to the basket, who can rebound and handle the rock. It doesn’t hurt that he’d instantly be one of the top-five passing big men in the game or that he’s left-handed either.

As with everyone on the Kings, Monroe will need to work on defense and improve his rebounding, but the length, skill, and understanding of the game are there.

As he develops, I see the Kings using their gang of big men as matchup problems. Playing the Lakers and need to stretch them out, plug in Monroe and Hawes. Playing Phoenix and need to run the floor, go with Monroe, Landry and Thompson. Either way, a surplus of young big men is never a bad thing, creating competition in practice and advantageous mismatches in games.

More than anything, Monroe is a Petrie player. He’s cerebral, team-oriented, and will be a huge asset for Evans to make cuts to the lane or fill in on a fast break if Monroe leads, ala Lamar Odom.

Team needs wise this pick makes sense too. The Kings have a solid backcourt with Evans and the underrated Beno Udrih, only 27 and coming off a highly efficient season. As mentioned, they have a selection of wingmen to pluck from, and a lot more choices at forward and guard this free agency (where the Kings have nearly $20 million at their disposal) than they do at landing Chris Bosh or Amar’e Stoudemire.

It’s fairly safe to say Monroe has a long way to go before being named an All-Star, but the League demands being able to adapt to different styles of play, and Monroe does that for Sac.

A young and long core led by Evans and followed by Landry, Udrih, Casspi, Monroe, Greene and Thompson can have this team in place to make a strong Playoff push in a couple seasons. Much like the Thunder’s philosophy of stashing young talent and letting them develop together, it will eventually pay off for the Kings.
 
#2
We get another softie Monroe over the tougher Cousins and we somehow make a step back in building a tough Championship team.

Are we forgetting how close we were to winning it all ONLY if we have that BIG who can contain SHAQ?

Did Vlade Divac ( with all of his talent ) mattered in stopping SHAQ?

Did we forget how frustrating it was watching our softie BIG unable to defend the paint last season?

This is our best chance of landing a BIG who can play against the likes of Howards, Bynum/Gasol, or even the aging Shaq, Duncan, and Garnet. The TOUGH, BIG, and BAD KID ( who does not want to be dominated ) named Cousins should be the BIG we should draft.
 
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#5
All that was said was blah blah blah offense blah blah offense. I think most people just watch 2 teams play offense. Bret Callahan comes off as someone that really believes they know what theyre talking about but doesnt.
 
#6
Man, if we end up drafting this guy at 5th overall, I'll be really disappointed. I wouldn't mind trading down to #9 or #10 and taking a guy like this, but 5th overall? If Petrie has his heart set on Monroe, no problem, but trade down a few slots at least, and get another early 2nd round pick. Somebody would be willing to jump into our slot to get Johnson or Cousins.
 
#7
I'd rather almost any player in the draft other than Monroe. People are hoping that he can play Center in the NBA, which would give the Kings a defensively soft Center. If he ends up playing PF, it would give the Kings a defensively soft PF.

JT can rebound.
Landry can score in the post.
Hawes can stretch the floor and play a beautiful high-post game with great passing.

None of them can contain the other team's top PFs and Centers.

Why in the world would you want to add yet another young piece who does not bring anything that isn't already covered by young bigs currently on the team?

Also note, that if you do draft Monroe, then you're going to have to trade or let walk someone, which could ultimately be a great loss of value for a previous lottery pick.

In some ways Monroe reminds me of Charlie Villanueva. Very similar in size, length, bulk, and athleticism. Both are Big men with versatile offensive abilities (though their games differ). Both greatly increased their rebounding from their Freshman to Sophmore years and had questions regarding their physicality.

Now Villanueva was better rebounder and a much better shot-blocker (per 40). (Monroe played almost 10 more minutes a game than Villanueva, so per 40 helps in this instance)

So my question is simple.

Would you want Charlie Villanueva to be your interior defender during a deep playoff run?

Monroe ~may~ bring an upgrade on the offensive end. But it's guaranteed that he won't bring the rebounding that JT brings, and it's doubtful that he'll be a better defender than either JT or Landry.
Now if we didn't have JT, Landry, or Hawes then sure, I could possibly see taking Monroe. If all we had was SAR, K9, and Mikki Moore, then Ok, Monroe would be a huge, young upgrade.
But we do have JT, Landry, and Hawes, and Monroe simply isn't that much of an upgrade, and the areas he may upgrade would be on the offensive end, and that is where we don't need the help.

Detroit just destroyed their team in the last off-season by signing Charlie Villanueva to a large contract. All I'm hoping for is that the Kings don't make the same mistake and take a player who does not address any of their needs. Give me the defensive stability of Aldrich at Center, or the defensive potency of Udoh at PF, or the hope Johnson can play at SG, or even the potential upside of Whiteside at C. Any of those would be better than Monroe if Cousins is off the table.

I wouldn't want Charlie Villanueva to be part of my interior defense in a tough, gritty play-off series, and for that reason I'm hoping that Monroe is not a starter for the Kings when we do finally break into the playoffs.
 
#9
and if hes not there and we still need said big ?
That is the only time I'll even consider drafting Monroe.

Even then you have to look at the potential of the other defensive bigs ( Aldrich, Udoh, Whiteside, or even Orthon ) at the coming workouts. And if it is not smart to get them at #5, then might as well trade down in the hope we get some added bonus/goodies. Monroe should be at the lower end of the list of players we should consider drafting.

The bottom line is WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER SOFTIE CENTER IN THIS TEAM.

If some fans are masochistic ( and willing to watch another season moaning and groaning while watching our softie center get physically abused in the paint ), I am not.

One ( Hawes ) is enough.

Two ( Hawes and Monroe ) will just be too much.
 
#10
Hmmmm so its a choice between the tough as pillows team consisting of monroe and hawes.... or the all buffet team cousins and may


Monroe is not the guy we need at the 4 right now.... we need a dependable big... or an athletic body to go along our team...


aldrich, aminu, whiteside, etc. who ever geoff thinks will fit.... with tyreke and the other guys..
 

Bricklayer

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#11
The best thing about Monroe is that it would give us three near 7-footers across the frontline (and then two midgets in Landry and presumably Brockman). But given that two of the three near 7 footers would be weenies, and the third plays dumb, all that height would be wasted and ironically you might immediately need to trade one of them away to get a defensive guy in there. Or would if you were anybody but the Sacramento we roll out the red carpet down our paint Kings.

It really is just unacceptable that you can grow up to be the biggest guy on the court and never develop a mean streak or intimidating mein in there.
 
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#12
What if Petrie's intention is to straight replace one of our bigs with Monroe and then trade whatever piece is to be replaced (Hawes) for more help where we need it? Is Monroe an upgrade over Hawes?
 

bajaden

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#15
I have to admit that Monroe did improve this year. And realisticly, that all you can ask from a player. He improved his rebounding, and his post play. So I have to give him his due. He put in the work, and his accomplishments were noticable. So here's the deal. My brain tells me that he wouldn't be a bad choice if whomever we want isn't there. My gut tells me that my brain is wrong. I always like it better when my brain and my gut are in agreement. No logic behind the gut thing. More of an osmosis thing I guess.

If I were to rationalize my gut feelings, the best I could come up with, is that I'm not sure what kind of player Monroe is. See I know exactly what kind of player Cousins is. Ditto Udoh and Aldrich, and Turner. But with Monroe, I'm not sure. And that bothers me. Is he a guy that will get in the post and do the dirty work when its necessary. Or is he a guy that will live on the elbow and eventually work his way out to the three point line. I don't know! And it bothers me...
 
#16
We are in agreement. I would add Udoh into that second group. Well, it becomes a group if you add him..:rolleyes:
Yeah, I suppose Udoh has the potential to look a lot better to me after workouts like Davis does. I guess it wasn't fair of me to leave him out, but I'm not really feeling either player too much. Fact is, either Johnson or Cousins will be there and I want whichever one is left. I don't feel the need at this moment to really consider anyone else.
 
#17
I always like it better when my brain and my gut are in agreement.
Yeah that is nice but nothing beats when my spleen and my lymph nodes are getting along famously. ;)

So what happened to your opinion of Aldrich?

And my thought on Monroe was that it's clear that whatever Petrie had in mind for Hawes didn't work, maybe he'll want another shot at it with Monroe.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#18
Yeah, I suppose Udoh has the potential to look a lot better to me after workouts like Davis does. I guess it wasn't fair of me to leave him out, but I'm not really feeling either player too much. Fact is, either Johnson or Cousins will be there and I want whichever one is left. I don't feel the need at this moment to really consider anyone else.
No arguement from me..:)
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#19
Yeah that is nice but nothing beats when my spleen and my lymph nodes are getting along famously. ;)

So what happened to your opinion of Aldrich?

And my thought on Monroe was that it's clear that whatever Petrie had in mind for Hawes didn't work, maybe he'll want another shot at it with Monroe.
You do know the definition of insanity don't you? Its to keep repeating the same process over and over again and expecting a different result. :)
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#22
Since we were talking about Monroe and I happened to be looking at the rest of the combine results I thought I'd do a couple of comparisons. So I chose to compare the results of Monroe and Parakhouski. And I'm by no means saying that the two players are comparable. I'm also not saying that they couldn't be five years from now.

Parakhouski:

6'11.75" - Wingspan, 7'1" - Reach, 9'1.5" - Handwidth, 10.5 - No step vertical, 25.5" - No step reach, 11'3" - Max vertical, 26.5" - Max reach, 11'4" - Bench press, 16 reps - Agility, 12.07 seconds - Sprint, 3.33 seconds - weight, 268 Lbs - Body fat, 6%.

Monroe:

6'11" - Wingspan, 7'2.25" - Reach, 9'0.5" - Handwidth, 9.50 - No step vertical, 25" - No step reach, 11'1.5" - Max vertical, 29" - Max reach, 11'5.5" - Bench press, 15 reps - Agility, 12.10 seconds - Sprint, 3.35 seconds - Weight, 247 Lbs - Body fat, 11.2%

Their spec's are very similar. Monroe has a slight edge in a couple of areas and Parakhouski has the edge in a couple of areas. There is no doubt of course that Monroe is the more skilled from the point of view of passing the ball and his game away from the basket. But Parakhouski is tougher in the post and definitely a better rebounder. As a matter of fact, Parakhouski is just a tougher all around player.

I'm not trying to make a case for Parakhouski. Not at all. What I'm trying to do, is make those almost on the Monroe bandwagon take a harder look at Monroe. Parakhouski is considered a second round pick. Monroe is being considered a lottery pick. I'm not so sure that the difference five years from now will be that great. Is that because Parakhouski should be drafted higher, or because Monroe should be drafted lower. Just something to think about..
 
#23
My heart won't break if Petrie draft Monroe at #5.

What will disappoint me is if we get this kid and let him rat in the bench or the D-League when regular season comes. Being less athletic doesn't mean immediate inability to be an effective basketball player since basketball is a team game.

From what I've seen so far, Monroe is a better offensive player compared to Hawes, Thompson, or Landry when they first came into the league. So in some way, the kid may just be an effective big to pair with Evans on the offensive end and it least big enough body to take space down low.

Some draft even have this kid go as high as number 3 with reasons that he can effective alongside Brook Lopez.

Maybe if Darko was not drafted by the Pistons, he could have had a much better career at this time. ;)
 
#24
You do know the definition of insanity don't you? Its to keep repeating the same process over and over again and expecting a different result. :)
You're preaching to choir- I'm not interested in anyone soft at either PF or C, but that might be Petrie's train of thought. I do admire Monroe's skill though.
 

Warhawk

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#26
Since we were talking about Monroe and I happened to be looking at the rest of the combine results I thought I'd do a couple of comparisons. So I chose to compare the results of Monroe and Parakhouski. And I'm by no means saying that the two players are comparable. I'm also not saying that they couldn't be five years from now.

Parakhouski:

6'11.75" - Wingspan, 7'1" - Reach, 9'1.5" - Handwidth, 10.5 - No step vertical, 25.5" - No step reach, 11'3" - Max vertical, 26.5" - Max reach, 11'4" - Bench press, 16 reps - Agility, 12.07 seconds - Sprint, 3.33 seconds - weight, 268 Lbs - Body fat, 6%.

Monroe:

6'11" - Wingspan, 7'2.25" - Reach, 9'0.5" - Handwidth, 9.50 - No step vertical, 25" - No step reach, 11'1.5" - Max vertical, 29" - Max reach, 11'5.5" - Bench press, 15 reps - Agility, 12.10 seconds - Sprint, 3.35 seconds - Weight, 247 Lbs - Body fat, 11.2%

Their spec's are very similar. Monroe has a slight edge in a couple of areas and Parakhouski has the edge in a couple of areas. There is no doubt of course that Monroe is the more skilled from the point of view of passing the ball and his game away from the basket. But Parakhouski is tougher in the post and definitely a better rebounder. As a matter of fact, Parakhouski is just a tougher all around player.

I'm not trying to make a case for Parakhouski. Not at all. What I'm trying to do, is make those almost on the Monroe bandwagon take a harder look at Monroe. Parakhouski is considered a second round pick. Monroe is being considered a lottery pick. I'm not so sure that the difference five years from now will be that great. Is that because Parakhouski should be drafted higher, or because Monroe should be drafted lower. Just something to think about..
Get 'em both. :D
 

Warhawk

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#29
This is the correct answer....also possible.
Yeah, if Cousins slips to us, I'd still say grab him and the Big P. Can't have too many bigs, especially the way we are situated right now. You can always trade a big for a small to put someone else at the 2 if necessary.

Can you imagine a lineup of Evans, Garcia, Greene, Thompson, and Cousins with Hawes, Big P, and Omri coming off the bench as the frontcourt backups - look at all that length and size and defense. I like it. Still have Landry too as a smallish PF.
 

hrdboild

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#30
I'm really hoping that all these mock drafts sliding Greg Monroe up to number 5 lately is just another misperception of what Geoff Petrie is going to do. It's not atypical for Petrie to surprise all the prognosticators. Eventually you get to a point where you can't keep drafting and signing defensively deficient players and then complaining that your team is poor defensively. After 5-10 years I would think any GM (and certainly one often in the discussion for executive of the year) would be smart enough to look in the mirror and see where the problem lies. Wasn't that what last year's draft was all about?

Which is to say...Greg Monroe isn't a terrible pick at #5. He's got a lot of skill and he's got the size, if not the athleticism, to be a dominant player if he wants to be. But he would not be a good pick for this team at #5. I'm not convinced he'll be significantly better than either Hawes or Thompson down the road and his strengths and weaknesses as a player are in many ways redundant with theirs. In addition, I still can't shake the impression that he doesn't have the mental toughness or the will to dominate. That makes it a meager upgrade at best and we go through another draft without adding a physically dominant or explosive player. That's just not acceptable to me at this point.

I'd love to get Cousins. I'd be okay with Wesley Johnson. And part of the reason I'm more willing to go with Aminu than most here seem to be is that I think he's got the phyisical tools and defensive fundamentals to be an imposing force at SF in a few years. And that's what this team needs. I don't care what postion they play, we need somebody who is going to play hard on both ends of the floor and dominate their competition.