Donte Greene 2010/11

OptimusRhyme

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I have a feeling Donte is going to breakout next season.
What does everyone think he needs to improve on?
What do you think his stats will be like?
Should he start at SF over Omri?
What is his role on this team?

I think he needs to continue focusing on his defensive awareness. He could be a Kirilenko type of defender if he wanted too be.

3 Point shooting needs to be improved. It would be nice to see him closer to 40 % next year.

Free throw shooting should be worked on aswell. It would be nice to have him around the 75-80% clip.

I dont see a reason why he cant average 7+ rebounds a game, with his athleticism, height and length ..

I'm going to predict 15.5 ppg, 7 RPG, 2 APG, 1.2 BPG. 39 % 3pt, 46 % FG, 75FT % What do yall think?

Oh yah hes gotta work on his freestylin to for the donte greene show! ha
 
Aenadin

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Or start him at the SG or SF along with Casspi thats a size match up in the back court im sure... length wise

Donte's got what it takes to be a great defender if he works hard on it
 
Capt. Factorial

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OptimusRhyme said:
I dont see a reason why he cant average 7+ rebounds a game, with his athleticism, height and length ..
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That's kind of optimistic. At his career rebounding rate, he'd have to play 51.5 minutes a game to get 7 rebounds. I hope he continues to improve in the rebounding department (he did a bit last year) but that seems a bit out of reach.
 
Chupacabra

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I would just like to see Donte work on his 3 point stroke and id like to see him get more playing time. No reason Donte shouldnt get around 30 minutes per game. Especially since you can switch him around between the 2-4 spots.
 
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CaAllDay

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I really like Donte and think he can be a pretty good player in the leauge. Some things i noticed this year, he thinks he has more handles then he actually does, and isnt as athletic as i thought. Often he tries to cross defenders over and either loses the handle or gets picked all together. One thing about great players they know what they can, and cannot do. His def is good, and he does have a nice shooting stroke, with his size i would like to see some post moves. Right now he should start, i like Omri off bench for the time, imo he will eventually play pf.
 
vikinginferno

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Driving. I want to see him be able to drive in the lane without getting out of control, trying to do too much as well as study the game more, learn when to pass, when to shoot, when to drive better. Obviously he has done very well learning in those departments from his rookie season to last season and hopefully he can improve even more.
 
sono

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vikinginferno said:
Driving. I want to see him be able to drive in the lane without getting out of control, trying to do too much as well as study the game more, learn when to pass, when to shoot, when to drive better. Obviously he has done very well learning in those departments from his rookie season to last season and hopefully he can improve even more.
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Yep, or better decision making in traffic.
 
Bricklayer

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needs to improve his rebounding and decisionmaking -- the latter of which might come naturally just with maturity. Free throws too I guess, although I always consider that just a nit.

Other than that, as long as he keeps his defensive focus high he's already got most of the game he needs to be a really good player. Just needs to get a handle on it, be smarter. After his big jump from yr1 to yr2, I'm encouraged. Biggest Q might be how the competition ebtween he and Casspi evolves. Killer platoon? One man clearly a starter, the other off the bench? Friends? Rivals?
 
bajaden

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On the offensive side of the ball, he needs to seriously improve his ballhandling and passing. He also needs to work on a mid-range game. A good mid-range game will make getting to the basket easier. Defensively he just has to keep learning the game and improve his footwork. He's a little clumsey with his lateral movement at times. He also needs to improve his defensive rebounding in particular and overall rebounding in general.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
That's kind of optimistic. At his career rebounding rate, he'd have to play 51.5 minutes a game to get 7 rebounds. I hope he continues to improve in the rebounding department (he did a bit last year) but that seems a bit out of reach.
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That's kind of the whole point in becoming a better rebounder. The dude is 6'11". Even Peja flirted with 6 or 7 rebounds a game for a few years there. I think that 7 rebounds a game is kind of the benchmark for an almost seven foot swing man. Anything less and he's just not trying.
 
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dbfish

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Ball handling, mid range game, consistency.
His defense improved tremendously last year.
If we are able to draft Turner I would like to see him start at the 3.
If we draft Cousins I would start him at the 3.
If we draft Wall, as talented as he is I see possible chemistry problems.
I know Greene can play the 2 but I don't like him there. Just my opinion.
 
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pkballr

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He needs to become a stronger spot up shooter. Too many times I felt he tried to take a page in the Tyreke book, only to have the ball slapped or stolen from him. He just seems to do too much with too little, but doesn't have the upper body strength like Reke to do the same. Ball handling is important in this aspect. It's like everytime he dribbles, he seems to be a deer in the headlights. Maturity will come but I think just building his stroke and working on defining his role on this team.
 
Kingster

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He needs to work on everything, but it would be nice if he developed some go-to move. His offensive game reminds me of Hawes - he's got a little bit of everything, but not enough of one or two particular things.
 
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Donte needs a post game. The team is to the point were they are building around Tyreke. For this team to ever be a contender, Tyreke will be a 1st/2nd option at worst, and will need a 1/2 option in the frontcourt. That is how championships are won. A star backcourt player and a star frontcourt player. That leaves Donte as a 3rd option at best. He already has shown great defense at times, which you have to have from your roleplayers. The 3 point shot will come, it is the easiest thing to practice, and with time it will become consistent, possibly even automatic. Eventually, teams will have to put their best perimeter defenders on tyreke, the way we have seen good teams put guys like Battier and Artest on him already. The key to a team that can compete for a championship will be putting the type of roleplayers on the court that can make the other team pay if they try and hide a smaller guy/poor defender on him. He's already got enough skills to be able to get a shot off from 3pt or a pump fake and pull up against guys his size. To utilize his size, he needs to be able to back a smaller player up and hit a turnaround jumper, not necessarily taking guys to the hoop. In the playoffs, the perfect roleplayer is the guy who can hit the open 3, play solid defense, and make the opponent pay for mismatches. Nobody cared about Horry's ballhandling skills.
 
upinsmoke

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I just want to start off say that Donte can be a core piece of the Kings for years to come. His game is very versatile and appears to mesh well with Thompson and tyreke especially. Dont worry to much about the numbers those things will work themselves out with time he appears to be on the right path.
 
Uncia03

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I'm very high on Donte, especially after this last season.

All I want him to do is to work hard and focus on his game so that we can see the same improvement this upcoming year as we saw last year. If he can do that he can be a major factor for our team.

And though he does have holes in his game, as long as he can continue to put maximum effort on the defensive end, I won't mind so much if he isn't able to do everything else. In my mind the only two things he has to do is:
1.) Be an elite defender
2.) Be able to knock down open shots

If he can do those two things, that's all I ask.

He did show a very good ability to attack the basket and hit the open player under the basket for the easy score. So I'd like to see him work on that more.

Obviously I'd love for him to become a better rebounder, and to be under more control when he takes it to the hoop for either the finish or the pass. But defense 1st, and consistent shooting 2nd. Those are the two things that he has to master in my mind to continue to help this team win.
Anything else he can add to the table is just the cherry on top.

And to be honest, I really think that he's going to get there.
 
Uncia03

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bajaden said:
Here's an article thats related to Greene as far as rebounding goes. I don't totally agree with the premise, but in general its has merit.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/05/12/nba-hd-does-effective-height-have-an-effect/
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Maybe Greene will stumble upon this article, and he'll put a bit more focus into not finding himself in such a bad statistical rebounding place.
I don't know if he's the type of player who would even find this motivational or not.
I will say that he isn't a very good rebounder in traffic. And I think the reason why is that he seems to wait for the ball to come to him rather than going up for it, and I believe is surprised when someone beats him to the ball.

He's got good length and height, so if he can change his rebounding mentality just a little bit while in traffic, and aggressively go up to meet the ball rather than letting it come down to him, I think he can have a lot better success at getting those rebounds. He's young, so we'll see how he improves his game for next year.
 
Capt. Factorial

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bajaden said:
Here's an article thats related to Greene as far as rebounding goes. I don't totally agree with the premise, but in general its has merit.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/05/12/nba-hd-does-effective-height-have-an-effect/
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Of course, it's a bit unfair to Donté to label him as the worst 6'11" rebounder ever, since he measured out at 6'9" IN SHOES. I suppose he'd fare at least a little bit better if compared to 6'9" players. Not a lot, but at least a little.
 
bajaden

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Uncia03 said:
Maybe Greene will stumble upon this article, and he'll put a bit more focus into not finding himself in such a bad statistical rebounding place.
I don't know if he's the type of player who would even find this motivational or not.
I will say that he isn't a very good rebounder in traffic. And I think the reason why is that he seems to wait for the ball to come to him rather than going up for it, and I believe is surprised when someone beats him to the ball.

He's got good length and height, so if he can change his rebounding mentality just a little bit while in traffic, and aggressively go up to meet the ball rather than letting it come down to him, I think he can have a lot better success at getting those rebounds. He's young, so we'll see how he improves his game for next year.
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I think Greene went to the Spencer Hawes school of rebounding. He falls into that same catagory I call being a rebounder of convience. In other words he gets the easy uncontested one's. Unlike Brockman and Thompson who you'll see coming down with Boards in an unfriendly crowd. Team rebounding always goes up when either of them are on the floor, because even if they don't get the rebound, they block out for their teammates or they tip the ball to a teammate.

Lets face it. If your going to battle for rebounds, your going to get shoved, poked, elbowed, and generally get beat up on a regular basis. If you don't have the stomach for it, your never going to be a good rebounder.
 
OptimusRhyme

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Like someone above said, if peja can get 6 rebounds a game. Donte should in theory be able to top that. Heres are players similar to Greenes size and athleticism. .

Durant 6'9- 7.7 RPG
Ilyasova 6'10- 7.6 RPG
Jamison 6'9- 7.4 RPG
Grant Hill 6'8- 6.7 RPG
Rashard Lewis 6'10- 5.5 RPG (but hes also beside Superman)

I dont see any reason why Donte cant average close to 7 boards a game. He has all the physical gifts to do it. I think like other people said it just comes down to his aggressiveness.
 
Bricklayer

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Capt. Factorial said:
Of course, it's a bit unfair to Donté to label him as the worst 6'11" rebounder ever, since he measured out at 6'9" IN SHOES. I suppose he'd fare at least a little bit better if compared to 6'9" players. Not a lot, but at least a little.
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He's a lot taller than that. We've had the pics on here before, and he's evey bit as tall as Jason. Longer too.
 
Capt. Factorial

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Bricklayer said:
He's a lot taller than that. We've had the pics on here before, and he's evey bit as tall as Jason. Longer too.
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You know as well as I do that pictures can be deceiving. One guy may be slouching. One guy may be a little closer to the camera. The angle of the camera, whether from above or from below, will make a difference.

Is Tyreke Evans about the same size as Paul Westphal?

Or does he tower over him?


Pictures are no substitute for a ruler. And Donté Greene, at the age of 20 years and 3 months, was measured at the NBA draft combine at 6' 8.25" (no shoes). Now it's possible that he has grown since then, but most people do not grow after they turn 20.

As far as length goes, there have been 23 prospects that have measured out at 6' 8.25" and also had wingspan measurements. Donté measured out at 6' 10", the average is 7' 0.75". So his wingspan isn't particularly long for his height.

As far as standing reach goes, there have been 22 prospects that have measured out at 6' 8.25" and also had standing reach measurements (not sure why one guy didn't have standing reach done). Donté measured out at 9' 0", and the average was 8' 11.1". So Donté does make up for some of his lack of wingspan with a greater standing reach, which suggests he has either narrow or high shoulders.

Either way, at the time he was measured he was not unusually long for his height. Whether or not he's longer than Thompson we'll likely never know, because Thompson did not go to the combine so there are no official measurements for him.
 
Bricklayer

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Not necessarily deceptive. All you have to get is a shot more or less headon, with both players roughly the same distance away, and voila:



Notice the shoulders where they nearly touch. Not a camera trick. I didn;t really buy Donte being upgraded to 6'11" this year by the media guide until I saw him out there standing next to those guys.

And again here, with Jason actually grabbing him:




In any case he's clearly too tall and too athletic to rebound like he does.
 
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bajaden

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Capt. Factorial said:
You know as well as I do that pictures can be deceiving. One guy may be slouching. One guy may be a little closer to the camera. The angle of the camera, whether from above or from below, will make a difference.

Is Tyreke Evans about the same size as Paul Westphal?

Or does he tower over him?


Pictures are no substitute for a ruler. And Donté Greene, at the age of 20 years and 3 months, was measured at the NBA draft combine at 6' 8.25" (no shoes). Now it's possible that he has grown since then, but most people do not grow after they turn 20.

As far as length goes, there have been 23 prospects that have measured out at 6' 8.25" and also had wingspan measurements. Donté measured out at 6' 10", the average is 7' 0.75". So his wingspan isn't particularly long for his height.

As far as standing reach goes, there have been 22 prospects that have measured out at 6' 8.25" and also had standing reach measurements (not sure why one guy didn't have standing reach done). Donté measured out at 9' 0", and the average was 8' 11.1". So Donté does make up for some of his lack of wingspan with a greater standing reach, which suggests he has either narrow or high shoulders.

Either way, at the time he was measured he was not unusually long for his height. Whether or not he's longer than Thompson we'll likely never know, because Thompson did not go to the combine so there are no official measurements for him.
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Yeah, I've looked everywhere for some official measurements of Thompson. The best I could come up with was when one scout asked another if Thompsons height measurements were accurate and he said yes. All I know is that when we were standing in the tunnel at the Clips game and the team came out, he seemed bigger and taller in person than he does on TV.

I know that the Kings measure all the players when they bring them in for workouts, so I'm sure they have his real measurements.
 
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