I'll take Landry instead. It's not like Boston's 1st rounder would've been that good, Hill hasn't shown he'll ever be as good of player as Landry, and the right to swap picks with NY in 2011 could be worthless to us if we both make the playoffs because they land 2 top tier free agents or we both suck again. So really what it comes down to was another NY pick in 2012, which you can't count on them being bad then because they'll have 2 seasons to land someone in FA. Sure it sounds like a treasure trove of assets until you break it down into something that'd actually help us and you realize it wouldn't help us that much. We need GOOD PLAYERS now, but guys that aren't too old. Landry fits that mold, and he can do a lot offensively because he can post up, drive, shoot, pass, get some offensive boards, etc. He's not a horrible defender either. ESPN is stupid IMO.
ESPN says front office is lazy
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I'll take Landry instead. It's not like Boston's 1st rounder would've been that good, Hill hasn't shown he'll ever be as good of player as Landry, and the right to swap picks with NY in 2011 could be worthless to us if we both make the playoffs because they land 2 top tier free agents or we both suck again. So really what it comes down to was another NY pick in 2012, which you can't count on them being bad then because they'll have 2 seasons to land someone in FA. Sure it sounds like a treasure trove of assets until you break it down into something that'd actually help us and you realize it wouldn't help us that much. We need GOOD PLAYERS now, but guys that aren't too old. Landry fits that mold, and he can do a lot offensively because he can post up, drive, shoot, pass, get some offensive boards, etc. He's not a horrible defender either. ESPN is stupid IMO.
Gee whiz! I guess we missed out on Orlando's offer to give us Dwight Howard for Martin? Gosh darnit! 
Paul (Miraculously healthy now)
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
Dwight Howard
with a bench of Evans, Deron Williams, Amare, and Kevn Durant.
Fire Petrie!
How about these?
1/11/10 - Acquires Hilton Armstrong from NO for a 2016 2nd-round pick + cash
6/25/09 - Trades the 31st pick in the 2009 draft for Sergio + 38th pick
2/19/09 - Trades Shelden Williams to MN for a 2014 2nd-round pick
2/18/09 - Trades John Salmons & Brad Miller for Ike Diogu, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden
2/17/09 - Acquires Sam Cassell from Boston for a 2015 2nd-round pick
8/14/08 - Trades Ron Artest & Sean Singletary for Donte Green, Bobby Jackson, 2009 1st-round pick
2/16/08 - Trades Mike Bibby for Shelden Williams, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, 2008 2nd-round pick
2/24/05 - Trades Webber, one of the NBA's elite power forwards and a five-time All-Star + Matt Barnes + Michael Bradley to Philadelphia for Brian Skinner, Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson.
1/11/10 - Acquires Hilton Armstrong from NO for a 2016 2nd-round pick + cash
6/25/09 - Trades the 31st pick in the 2009 draft for Sergio + 38th pick
2/19/09 - Trades Shelden Williams to MN for a 2014 2nd-round pick
2/18/09 - Trades John Salmons & Brad Miller for Ike Diogu, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden
2/17/09 - Acquires Sam Cassell from Boston for a 2015 2nd-round pick
8/14/08 - Trades Ron Artest & Sean Singletary for Donte Green, Bobby Jackson, 2009 1st-round pick
2/16/08 - Trades Mike Bibby for Shelden Williams, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, 2008 2nd-round pick
2/24/05 - Trades Webber, one of the NBA's elite power forwards and a five-time All-Star + Matt Barnes + Michael Bradley to Philadelphia for Brian Skinner, Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson.
Jordan Hill may be worth an even up trade for Hilton Armstrong. The two picks have some conditions. The 2011 pick is the right to swap and is #1 protected. The Knicks have a lot of money to spend on free agents and it isn't too wild to suspect that swapping that pick in 2011 may actually not be beneficial. So that could be a throw away. The 2012 pick is top 5 protected. So you may actually be aquiring Jordan Hill and middle to late first round pick if the Knicks sign some good free agents. And if the Knicks go into the tank in 2012 and get a 1-5 lottery pick, the Rockets don't get that pick that year.
Gee whiz! I guess we missed out on Orlando's offer to give us Dwight Howard for Martin? Gosh darnit!
You should be rolling your eyes at that lame *** joke.
Clearly him telling the entire world over and over again that "Martin is not available" had nothing to do with only 3 teams being interested in him.
the mavs and celtics wanted him we've already seen the other potential offers all of which were worthless. what do the mavs and celtics have to offer that we want?? you don't think Petrie knows talent around the league and who he wants? are you surprised he told the mavs and celtics he didn't wanna trade Martin? it's obvious nothig was going to happen there. David lee and thabeet were never legitimately available. as usual espn picking on the kings with nonsense. have they ever said anything positive about the kings? other than bill simmons.
Why are all of the teams (Lakers, Mavs, Suns, Jazz) that the Kings battled with in the 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 playoffs still in the upper echelon of the NBA? Is it because of bad luck?
The Lakers have benefited from one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history (though Marc Gasol is doing his best to make the trade look reatively worthwhile for the Griz).
The Mavs were a really really young team when we were facing them. And they too will have to face an inevitable rebuilding when their old guys become eligible for Meals on Wheels.
The Suns are good but not quite what they used to be. Once again they are old (at least their All-Star is) so it is debateable how much longer they will be in the hunt, especially if Amar'e leaves in free agency.
If you're going to call trade bad, you definitely have to view the intent of the trade as well as the result. For instance, one might see "2/17/09 - Acquires Sam Cassell from Boston for a 2015 2nd-round pick", note that Cassell never even suited up for the Kings and conclude that it was a bad trade. However, the summary omits that the entire reason the trade was conducted was that Boston was looking for somebody to take on Cassell's contract to help them with their luxury tax payments, and they gave us money to do it. We actually made money by trading a second-round pick (that will almost certainly never be conveyed) and acquiring a player that we instantly cut. It's a tough crowd that thinks that's a bad trade.
Anyway, three trades on your list were trades that gave us a financial advantage with essentially no cost. And the trade in red...that was a good trade. That was a really good trade. Donte Greene and the pick that became Omri Casspi (and a year of old friend Bobby) for Artest and his antics a bad trade?
The other four you list have been argued to death on this site (particularly the "Webber" and the "Brockman") and there is unlikely to be a consensus anytime soon.
Anyway, three trades on your list were trades that gave us a financial advantage with essentially no cost. And the trade in red...that was a good trade. That was a really good trade. Donte Greene and the pick that became Omri Casspi (and a year of old friend Bobby) for Artest and his antics a bad trade?
The other four you list have been argued to death on this site (particularly the "Webber" and the "Brockman") and there is unlikely to be a consensus anytime soon.
I am glad someone in the National media finally said it, our front office is lazy. However their examples are pretty bad. Maybe because I am a Francisco homer but his deal does not seem too out of line, especially if he starts at SG. I also consider the Martin deal a success if it keeps the Kings in Sacramento.
With the atrocity that the Mikki Moore signing or our complete lack of anything out of the 2nd round for years. I love Brockman but his pick could also be a sign of laziness, since we already had Spencer.
I am surprised with Martin deal no one mentioned us trading him to Rick's team. Everyone jumped on McHale for trading Garnett to his old team, but no one mentioned Petrie and Rick's relationship. Not that I really think he could have gotten a better deal it's just interesting how Geoff gets a pass on this.
With the atrocity that the Mikki Moore signing or our complete lack of anything out of the 2nd round for years. I love Brockman but his pick could also be a sign of laziness, since we already had Spencer.
I am surprised with Martin deal no one mentioned us trading him to Rick's team. Everyone jumped on McHale for trading Garnett to his old team, but no one mentioned Petrie and Rick's relationship. Not that I really think he could have gotten a better deal it's just interesting how Geoff gets a pass on this.
Discounting the remainder of this season...you think Landry for one more season at 3m plus his bird rights is worth more than 3 years of Hill at 9M, two late #1's and an additional 6.7M in cap space for 2012. Really?
I still think the Landry deal is a solid one. That's not the point. But since the whispers alluded to in the article match up exactly with what I've thought myself; that the FO is not working hard enough to get the best deals out there...shoot, that's just not good.
I still think the Landry deal is a solid one. That's not the point. But since the whispers alluded to in the article match up exactly with what I've thought myself; that the FO is not working hard enough to get the best deals out there...shoot, that's just not good.
I like Cisco, I'm glad he's on the team. But we should have offered him half that if we were extending him a year early and not budged. If he didn't like it we could have played the market in his restricted free agent year. Worst case scenario some team offers him the full mid-level, which is almost exactly what we offered, and we could have matched it. Instead the economy went down, teams tightened budgets and we missed an opportunity to get a good player at a bargain because we half-*** negotiated with him ten months before we had to.
You bring up an interesting question. We all know that Petrie holds his cards close to the vest. But the bigger question then is how do you have discussions with other teams about a player, and not have it become known. I'm sure that a lot of the GM's are honorable men that would keep a secret. But we also know that there are leaks in most organizations. So I find it hard to believe that Petrie could have had significant discussions around the league about Martin without it becoming known. And since it didn't become known, then I'm inclined to believe that he didn't have those discussions. Which would mean that maybe, just maybe, we didn't get the best deal we could have gotten.
Let me just say this. I have defended Petrie on many occasions. But if I were to find out that he wanted to make sure that Martin went somewhere he would be happy ( Adelman ), at the expense of passing on better deals, then I'm done with him. I don't know that to be the case, and I'll probably never find out even if it were the case. I just hope thats not the case.
Let me just say this. I have defended Petrie on many occasions. But if I were to find out that he wanted to make sure that Martin went somewhere he would be happy ( Adelman ), at the expense of passing on better deals, then I'm done with him. I don't know that to be the case, and I'll probably never find out even if it were the case. I just hope thats not the case.