where would you rank tyreke

iowamcnabb

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VF21 said:
To add to your thought, the only other one I'd think really hard about taking before Tyreke would be Dwight Howard.
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Dwight is an absolute beast but I just dont know if you can go to him with the game on the line like Reke. Plus that 400 mile an hour hook shot just doesn't do it for me haha.
 
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xyrin said:
You're doing a great job at proving how flawed your logic is.
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That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
 
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iowamcnabb said:
Dwight is an absolute beast but I just dont know if you can go to him with the game on the line like Reke. Plus that 400 mile an hour hook shot just doesn't do it for me haha.
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Ah, but in my dream I'd have Lebron, Carmelo and Howard already on board when I drafted Evans. :p
 
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AriesMar27 said:
That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
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NO, it's not HIS accomplishment. It's a team accomplishment. Using your logic, Mark Madsen is better than Lebron James because Mark Madsen has a championship ring.

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AriesMar27 said:
That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
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At what point does a poster change from somebody with a distorted opinion to a flat-out troll?

And like you said, basketball is a team sport, and Beno has two rings. Does that make him better than Evans? Of course not. Does Rubio's silver medal make him better than Evans? Or even better than Beno? Of course not.

Wait for Rubio to step on an NBA court. Then discussion can begin about him.
 
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uhm the best way to do this is to pick all the players drafted in this decade that you would trade Tyreke for.* I got 1 and it damn sure isn't Ricky Rubio.* Lebron ...
 
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Bottom line, Tyreke is by far the best rookie in the history of the Kings and has already started to turn the franchise around. He's a real go to guy and at 20 is clearly the best player on the team. Need we say more?
 
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AriesMar27 said:
Carmelo has made the playoffs every year of his career, Wade made it his rookie season with odom and butler. Bosh didn't make it because Carter got injured. Evans is a good player but to try to put him in the same category as players who have been there already is crazy. He might get there one day or he might not, he hasn't played 30 games in the NBA yet. He who shall remain nameless hasn't played a single game in the NBA and has accomished more than Evans, he does have a silver medal from the olympics. He has played pg on a much bigger stage and against the best players in the world. If you can say that Evans is better because he has played less than 30 NBA games then I can just as easily say that he who shall remain nameless is better for winning a silver medal. Which isn't easy, ask lebron James, Wade and Carmelo. They tried after their rookie season and couldn't do it.
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Can't really argue that point. Rubio did dominate in his olympic play to the tune of 4.8 ppg, 4 reb, and 3 assists while managing to shoot 28.1% from the field. Solid numbers that definitely show he is much more accomplished than Evans.

And no one is saying Evans is better because he's played nearly 30 NBA games, people are saying he's better because HE IS BETTER, and it's not even close right now.
 
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AriesMar27 said:
That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
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Hey, their excited again. Cut them some slack. Reality, what ever it turns out to be will return.. Having read only a few of the posts I really don't know whats been said. But personally I can't really rank or rate anyone until they've been in the league for five or six years. 25 or 26 games does not a career make. Doesn't mean I'm not excited about the possibilities, but the kid is just starting. Its a good start. Actually its a great start. But he has to sustain it. Thats what really seperates the good from the great. So far, so good..:)
 
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AriesMar27 said:
Carmelo has made the playoffs every year of his career, Wade made it his rookie season with odom and butler. Bosh didn't make it because Carter got injured. Evans is a good player but to try to put him in the same category as players who have been there already is crazy. He might get there one day or he might not, he hasn't played 30 games in the NBA yet. He who shall remain nameless hasn't played a single game in the NBA and has accomished more than Evans, he does have a silver medal from the olympics. He has played pg on a much bigger stage and against the best players in the world. If you can say that Evans is better because he has played less than 30 NBA games then I can just as easily say that he who shall remain nameless is better for winning a silver medal. Which isn't easy, ask lebron James, Wade and Carmelo. They tried after their rookie season and couldn't do it.
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That is a bogus argument. FIBA/International Basketball and the NBA are two completely different kettles of fish, and though it might irk me to say it as a non-US citizen, the NBA is where the best players in the world are, talent-wise. You put any of the elite teams in the NBA against any of the big countries (Argentina, Greece, etc), and 7 out of 10 times, the NBA team will win.

Your pushing of Rubio and Griffin above Evans right now isn't based on performance or stats, but based on your view of their potential. Maybe Griffin will do gangbusters when he finally gets to play, maybe not. One thing is sure; there's no factual basis to put him ahead of Evans in any tangible category right now. Rubio shouldn't even be mentioned anymore. I can't say whether he would or would not be a great player in the NBA, all I can say is that he had a shot to play in the NBA and turned it down. That doesn't bode well for his props at all, and as far as I'm concerned, he has to earn back props a la Jennings if he plays next year.

I think a good indicator of how good Tyreke is would be your answer to this question: In what round would you draft him on your fantasy bball team next year? :-D For me, I'd definitely take him if he was still on the board in the third round, which in my view definitely puts him in the top 20 players of the past decade draft, and quite possibly in the top 15 list.

but yeah dude, your Rubio love is just weak right now...it's making whatever good stuff you have to say completely irrelevant.
 
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AriesMar27 said:
That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
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Come ON. You pushing Rubio, and then asking "what has Evans done?" &^%$ that, what has RUBIO done? Seriously now, convince me.
 
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bajaden said:
Hey, their excited again. Cut them some slack. Reality, what ever it turns out to be will return.. Having read only a few of the posts I really don't know whats been said. But personally I can't really rank or rate anyone until they've been in the league for five or six years. 25 or 26 games does not a career make. Doesn't mean I'm not excited about the possibilities, but the kid is just starting. Its a good start. Actually its a great start. But he has to sustain it. Thats what really seperates the good from the great. So far, so good..:)
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excitement is one thing, this is out of hand... where does he rank out of every player drafted in the past 10 years? after 27 games... in 2 years i can understand trying to compare players but we havent even made it to the trade deadline... evans has 27 games averaging 20/5/5, pau gasol went to the finals 2 times in a row and has ring and a silver medal. dwight went to the finals and has gold medal. wade won a ring, a bronze and gold medal. lebron has gone to the finals, won mvp, has a bronze and gold medal and is basically the man... carmelo has gone to the playoffs every year of his career after an amazing college career... so much has been accomplished by the players that have been playing since before this current season.

if evans becomes one of the the players that we can add to that list that will be great. but today, evans is not that player...
 
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Geoff said:
Come ON. You pushing Rubio, and then asking "what has Evans done?" &^%$ that, what has RUBIO done? Seriously now, convince me.
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okay...

Won 4 Catalan Championships: (2005, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Won the FIBA EuroCup Championship: (2006)
Led the Spanish ACB League in steals: (2007, 2009)
Won the Spanish ACB League Rising Star Award: (2007)
2× FIBA European Young Player of the Year: (2007, 2008)
Won the Spanish King's Cup: (2008)
Won the ULEB Cup Championship: (2008)
All-Spanish ACB League Team: (2008)
Voted the Spanish ACB League's Best Point Guard: (2008)
Mr. Europa European Player of the Year: (2008)
Spanish ACB League Defensive Player of the Year: (2009)
Catalan League MVP: (2009)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Bronze Medal (2005)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Gold Medal (2006)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: MVP (2006)
2008 Olympics Basketball Tournament: Silver Medal
2009 FIBA European Championship: Gold Medal

not too shabby for a 19 year old guy that hasnt played a nba game...:cool:
 
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AriesMar27 said:
excitement is one thing, this is out of hand... where does he rank out of every player drafted in the past 10 years? after 27 games... in 2 years i can understand trying to compare players but we havent even made it to the trade deadline... evans has 27 games averaging 20/5/5, pau gasol went to the finals 2 times in a row and has ring and a silver medal. dwight went to the finals and has gold medal. wade won a ring, a bronze and gold medal. lebron has gone to the finals, won mvp, has a bronze and gold medal and is basically the man... carmelo has gone to the playoffs every year of his career after an amazing college career... so much has been accomplished by the players that have been playing since before this current season.

if evans becomes one of the the players that we can add to that list that will be great. but today, evans is not that player...
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You're right. It is out of hand. How dare these people discuss things that you personally don't find relevant? You're getting to be a parody of yourself, dude. Last time I checked the rules, you don't have to continue monopolizing a thread just to keep abusing the deceased equine.
 
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You're right. It is out of hand. How dare these people discuss things that you personally don't find relevant? You're getting to be a parody of yourself, dude. Last time I checked the rules, you don't have to continue monopolizing a thread just to keep abusing the deceased equine.
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so now i cant reply to a post where i was quoted? im not monopolizing this thread... im responding to a post. if no one else posts here in this thread thats not my problem...
 
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I think comparing Evans with the other draftees of the decade at this point ( 30 games into the season ), no one can deny Tyreke Evans the ranking as high as TOP THREE.

First, as pointed out only Lebron James rookie stat is better than Evans. That tells you that compared to the other rookies of this decade, stat-wise our rooky Evans is already performing better than anyone out there not named Lebron.

Second, impact-wise it is apparent Evans probably is comparable with the best rooky in this decade. The complete turn around of the team from being the worst to a team not that far from being a playoff contending team is a very clear testament. Especially true if you'll consider his clutch plays, and again his stats.

Third, being a rooky and one of only four active players playing with an awesome stat of 20/5/5 tells you Evans is a once in a blue moon kind of player who can just get better as he puts more experience in his belt. Your very own Evans in his rookie year is performing like the seasoned Superstars named Lebron, Kobe, and Wade at this point in time. You Evans deniers and haters better wake-up to reality if you cannot swallow this fact.

Now, to those people who are professing to be Kings fans, and yet who still deny Evans' accomplishments as AWESOME and worth considering on the TOP THREE ROOKIE performance of this decade - I consider as either not too knowledgeable about the NBA, or Evans haters.

We drafted a 19 year-old player who performs better than the rest of the rookies from this decade, and actually performing like the phenomenal player Lebron James in his rookie year ( stat-wise ). Actually, you can argue that Lebron is only better than Evans because of media over-hyping. Stat-wise and impact-wise, they are very similar.

Please do not deny the fans from enjoying Evans by dicounting the above mentioned reasons and by distorting REALITY.



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AriesMar27 said:
okay...

Won 4 Catalan Championships: (2005, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Won the FIBA EuroCup Championship: (2006)
Led the Spanish ACB League in steals: (2007, 2009)
Won the Spanish ACB League Rising Star Award: (2007)
2× FIBA European Young Player of the Year: (2007, 2008)
Won the Spanish King's Cup: (2008)
Won the ULEB Cup Championship: (2008)
All-Spanish ACB League Team: (2008)
Voted the Spanish ACB League's Best Point Guard: (2008)
Mr. Europa European Player of the Year: (2008)
Spanish ACB League Defensive Player of the Year: (2009)
Catalan League MVP: (2009)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Bronze Medal (2005)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Gold Medal (2006)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: MVP (2006)
2008 Olympics Basketball Tournament: Silver Medal
2009 FIBA European Championship: Gold Medal

not too shabby for a 19 year old guy that hasnt played a nba game...:cool:
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Hey, that's all just peachy-keen but it doesn't mean diddly-squat as far as the NBA is concerned. He could end up another Dejan Bodiroga, who decided - and probably rightly so - to stay in Europe.

But you know that. And once again, you've made this about Rubio instead of about Evans, which is about as far from the original intent as possible.

I'm sorely tempted to just scrub all your comments and the responses and put this thread back on topic...
 
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AriesMar27 said:
That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
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The same **** that is in the water at yahoosports, bspn.com, and sportingnews.com, not to mention hoopshype.com and spurstalk.com. You wanna argue against the fact that people ACROSS THE NATION are again talking about the Kings? Lol.
 
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AriesMar27 said:
okay...

Won 4 Catalan Championships: (2005, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Won the FIBA EuroCup Championship: (2006)
Led the Spanish ACB League in steals: (2007, 2009)
Won the Spanish ACB League Rising Star Award: (2007)
2× FIBA European Young Player of the Year: (2007, 2008)
Won the Spanish King's Cup: (2008)
Won the ULEB Cup Championship: (2008)
All-Spanish ACB League Team: (2008)
Voted the Spanish ACB League's Best Point Guard: (2008)
Mr. Europa European Player of the Year: (2008)
Spanish ACB League Defensive Player of the Year: (2009)
Catalan League MVP: (2009)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Bronze Medal (2005)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Gold Medal (2006)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: MVP (2006)
2008 Olympics Basketball Tournament: Silver Medal
2009 FIBA European Championship: Gold Medal

not too shabby for a 19 year old guy that hasnt played a nba game...:cool:
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Foolish. Do you realize how many things/accomplishments can be put up against this for Evans? Totally weak, no to mention taking a 17 win team without it's best player from that year to a 13-14 record in 27 games........totally foolish. All you make yourself out to be, living in Los Angeles, is a ..... ....
 
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AriesMar27 said:
That's why I put the lol at the end. It's a team sport but his silver medal is still his accomplishment. What has Evans done? I like the kid, he's played well this season but seriously? What's in the water in Sacramento? Maybe you guys should stick to bottled water or get a brita water filter.
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Do you know where LA gets its water? ;)
 
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