where would you rank tyreke

[AriesMar27]

e.g., Wade averaged 16ppg his rookie year. Arenas averaged 10ppg. How are you rating a player who's averaging 0ppg higher?If you want to compare their 5th year stats, wait until Evans is in his 5th year.

that wasnt what he said... he said player drafted, not player drafted in his first 30 games. if that had been the case i wouldnt disagree with it. evans numbers so far are good and few players can say that they have done better in that same time frame. but the jump that they have made will more than likely be greater than any jump that evans will make in that same time span.

martin is a perfect example of that looking at his rookie year in comparison to evans you would think that martin would be a future scrub. same goes for kobe... they didnt have the freedom to do what evans has or lebron had. i remember martin's rookie year and everytime he touched the ball he wanted to drive to the basket but adelman told him to stay in the corner and not move. whos to say that he couldnt have put up 20ppg? has he become that much better at shooting the ball? as far as i can remember he was always a good shooter, he had a ugly release, still does.... but he could always shoot.

just because everyone isnt putting up 20ppg doesnt mean that they cant. in 5 years we can ask this same question and see if evans is that much better than everyone based on his rookie numbers. but today is not the day.

 

[est.1999]

Numbers is icing on the cake. It's the impact that's most imporant. But you wouldn't know that cause you're too caught up with stats and positions!

 

[AriesMar27]

AriesMar27... don't you ever get the hint that you're insane when EVERYBODY on this board disagrees with you?

no, i just think that i couldnt live in sacramento... those people are the crazy ones....

 

[kennadog]

Is it ok to say that AM either IS Ricky Rubio himself or he is very close to 'he who shall remain GAMELESS'!

OMG, you owe me a keyboard. LOL

 

[Kingsguy881]

that wasnt what he said... he said player drafted, not player drafted in his first 30 games. if that had been the case i wouldnt disagree with it. evans numbers so far are good and few players can say that they have done better in that same time frame. but the jump that they have made will more than likely be greater than any jump that evans will make in that same time span.

martin is a perfect example of that looking at his rookie year in comparison to evans you would think that martin would be a future scrub. same goes for kobe... they didnt have the freedom to do what evans has or lebron had. i remember martin's rookie year and everytime he touched the ball he wanted to drive to the basket but adelman told him to stay in the corner and not move. whos to say that he couldnt have put up 20ppg? has he become that much better at shooting the ball? as far as i can remember he was always a good shooter, he had a ugly release, still does.... but he could always shoot.

just because everyone isnt putting up 20ppg doesnt mean that they cant. in 5 years we can ask this same question and see if evans is that much better than everyone based on his rookie numbers. but today is not the day.

LMMFAO, wait, no, ROTGLMMFAO!!!!!!!!

Nice backpedal, but no. We are talking about who would be the best player, PLAYER, where would you rank Tyreke out of all the draft picks this decade. And if there was only one other rookie who put up the #'s Tyreke is, while winning games like Tyreke is, IN THEIR ROOKIE SEASON, then how can you come up with a list of 20 players who are better based on their ENTIRE career up to this point and not compare them as draft picks vs. Evans the draft pick. And how could 2 of those 20 never EVEN PLAY IN THE LEAGUE??????? We don't know what Tyreke will do in the future, but the scary part is he is this damn good AND HAS ROOM TO IMPROVE! He has a GLARING weakness in his jumper and HE IS STILL TEARING **** UP!!!!!!

Dude, you're Evans hate is unheard of for a fan of the Kings. Unheard of. It is seriously borderline accusing you of not being a Kings fan. How can you continue to argue the results based on your Rubio fantasy? Seriously. Quite fantasizing and live in reality. Unless your life is about fantasy, then by all means keep living the fantasy life, it'll get you far.

 

[Kingsguy881]

OMG, you owe me a keyboard. LOL

HEY!!! I came up with that one like 2-3 weeks ago!!! I deserve the credit

 

[Kingsguy881]

no, i just think that i couldnt live in sacramento... those people are the crazy ones....

Wow. Thanks for the insult. Good thing you DON'T live in Sac. So if you hate us that much, why root for our team?

 

[NME]

oj mayo ended his rookie season 18/3.8/3.2 thats 2 points, 1.2 rebounds and
1.8 assists less than what evans is averaging. he wouldve scored more if he werent playing with rudy gay like evans would be averaging fewer points if martin were here.

mayo is just as good if not better than evans. they are the same type of player, evans is 2 inches taller and mayo is more athletic.

So, producing worse in every category (also 3% less on shooting percentage) equals you'd rather take him? This is a special level of denial. I'm only averaging 5 points and 5 assists fewer than Rubio. Maybe I can get a multi-million dollar contract! Also, I nearly tied Walter Mondale in the Electoral College.

 

[est.1999]

Sorry kingsguy, maybe if you weren't arguing with rubios homie all the time more poeple would have noticed ... But in all seriousness I came up with this about 1 1/2 months ago. I just don't post on this board too often

 

[Nighthawk1]

I just looked at all the first rounds of the 2000's and that draft is the only decent one. Funny you didn't mention any other years because the drafts were pretty bad.

Superstars taken in drafts

2008: No one I would take over Evans
2007: Durant
2006: Roy
2005: Derron Williams, Chris Paul
2004: Dwight Howard
2003: James, Anthony, Bosh, Wade
2002: Stoudemire
2001: Gasol
2000: No one

Those are the legitimate superstars taken during those drafts. And your 30 game argument only makes me realize more how special Evans is, considering only James (the best player in this list) put up the numbers Evans is putting up as a Rookie. 11 players here and I would take Tyreke over at least 1/2 of these guys, so I think that puts him inside the top ten right now.

I agree, I would also take tyreke over half of those guys. Honestly with my full homer goggles on... Only LBJ, Dwight, CP3, and Wade would I take before Evans.... While Pau, Amare, and Bosh are great big men, they championship level sidekick options (all-stars and borderline superstars nonetheless). That upper tier of guys are guys I would trust to lead the way to a championship or once in a lifetime talents.

 

[USNAVY15]

20th best NBA player this year.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Sorry kingsguy, maybe if you weren't arguing with rubios homie all the time more poeple would have noticed ... But in all seriousness I came up with this about 1 1/2 months ago. I just don't post on this board too often

Yeah, I know, I pick the most insane poster to debate with, but seriously, when someone says things so out of left field, someone has to try to talk some rational thought into them. Right? Maybe not. Maybe it's just a waste of breath, when someone is that insane there is no making them sane. Unless you are paid $400 an hour for them to sit on your sofa.

 

[VF21]

Yeah, I know, I pick the most insane poster to debate with, but seriously, when someone says things so out of left field, someone has to try to talk some rational thought into them. Right? Maybe not. Maybe it's just a waste of breath, when someone is that insane there is no making them sane. Unless you are paid $400 an hour for them to sit on your sofa.

Actually, when someone says things so far out of left field, you have to consider the possibility they do so with the sole intent of having someone try to "talk some rational thought into them" ...

 

[ParniValjak]

oj mayo ended his rookie season 18/3.8/3.2 thats 2 points, 1.2 rebounds and
1.8 assists less than what evans is averaging. he wouldve scored more if he werent playing with rudy gay like evans would be averaging fewer points if martin were here.

mayo is just as good if not better than evans. they are the same type of player, evans is 2 inches taller and mayo is more athletic.

Now thats just laughable! I thought you couldn't stoop any lower but boy was I wrong!

 

[Kingsguy881]

Actually, when someone says things so far out of left field, you have to consider the possibility they do so with the sole intent of having someone try to "talk some rational thought into them" ...

Ahhh, free therapy, I get it

 

[vikinginferno]

you cant rank him or anyone from this years draft class because they havent played a full season and in some cases havent played a single game. even if you took the top 3 players(not draft order) from each draft he wouldnt be ranked in the top 10 because he hasnt played enough games.

top 3?

lebron
wade
bosh
carmelo

oh wait, thats just the 2003 draft. i dont care for blind homerism on other teams and i would be a hypocrite if i was okay with it on my team.

with that said, are you serious?

Sorry for bringing this from the first page, but I just have to refute these incorrect statements. I am not exactly sure what Bosh's numbers were his rookie year, but I am sure he was not as good as Reke is right now. That can also be said about Melo and probably Wade. Lebron was probably a bit better in his rookie year. It seems like you are comparing these players at their current age to Reke as a rookie, but instead you have to compare them at the same time.

 

[VF21]

Ahhh, free therapy, I get it

Just another reason why I get the big bucks.

 

[tyrant]

players from the 2000-2009 draft that have been better than tyreke ( in no particular order)

1. wade
2. lebron
3. carmello
4. amare
5. arenas (because of injuries etc i feel tyreke is better than him today)
6. cp3
7. pau gasol
8. durant
9. granger
10. deron williams

within 2 years tyreke will be better than

1. arenas
2. durant
3. granger
4. deron williams


disputable

5. pau
6. cp3

 

[rhythmless]

How is Ricky N00bio better than Tyreke when Tyreke is busy winning games for the NBA's worst team last year and N00bio is averaging like 5 PPG and 3 TO per game in a worse league than the NBA? Or how can you say N00bio is better when N00bio was too scared to work out vs Evans or any of the other PGs. Ricky N00bio ftl.

Your top notch wit and analysis notwithstanding, Brandon Jennings put up similar pedestrian numbers in Europe, and is now putting up 20/4/6.

Now I'm not saying Rubio > Tyreke at this point. What I am saying is that your statement (after I paraphrase for myself, editing all the aforementioned wit you seem to possess) means nothing as well b/c stats in Europe are not a perfect correlation to success in the NBA, with exhibit A squarely in your face at this time.

 

[vikinginferno]

players from the 2000-2009 draft that have been better than tyreke ( in no particular order)

1. wade
2. lebron
3. carmello
4. amare
5. arenas (because of injuries etc i feel tyreke is better than him today)
6. cp3
7. pau gasol
8. durant
9. granger
10. deron williams

within 2 years tyreke will be better than

1. arenas
2. durant
3. granger
4. deron williams


disputable

5. pau
6. cp3

Tyreke is definitely going to be better than Pau. Pau is a great player, but IMO he isn't a superstar. The only players that I really see that are likely to be better than him are Lebron, Wade, Dwight, and CP3, and he might even turn out to be better than those last 3.

 

[tyrant]

Probably unquestioned as to going before Reke
Lebron
Melo
dwight
durant
Cp3
wade
dirk
pau

Open to discussion
granger
Roy
iggy
Rose
bosh

um, dirk was drafted in the late 90's pal

 

[tyrant]

i knew this was gonna happen.

lebron
wade
yao
pau gasol
chris paul
dwight howard
kevin durant
brandon roy
he who shall remain nameless...
blake griffin
gilbert arenas
joe johnson
amare
boozer
al jefferson
rajon rondo
greg oden(sucks that he's injured)
derrick rose
oj mayo

how many is that? to be honest i wouldve added martin but i decided not to do it. wait i just said his name so yeah... our very own kevin martin.

griffin? no. hasnt played an NBA game yet. the hell
al jefferson? no
rajon? seriously man?
oden? has he been active for a full 48 minutes yet?

 

[BMiller52]

Your top notch wit and analysis notwithstanding, Brandon Jennings put up similar pedestrian numbers in Europe, and is now putting up 20/4/6.

Now I'm not saying Rubio > Tyreke at this point. What I am saying is that your statement (after I paraphrase for myself, editing all the aforementioned wit you seem to possess) means nothing as well b/c stats in Europe are not a perfect correlation to success in the NBA, with exhibit A squarely in your face at this time.

Yeah and Tyreke has been better than Jennings too. I get your point but I watched some of Rubio and outside of the youtube stuff I didn't think he was that good. He didn't shoot the ball well, he didn't look like a great defender to me, and the main thing people liled about him was his behind the back passes and stuff. But I can't see him taking over a game like Tyreke has. I can't see him picking Arenas to end the game vs Washington. I can't see him leading us back from 35 points. I can't see him making that lay up vs Milwaukee. He doesn't score like Evans does, he doesn't defend like Evans does, and he can't create Mismatches like Tyreke can. Tyreke can post up smaller guards then draw a double and kick it out. Rubio's too skinny to do that.

Not to mention the fact that if he were really good enough to be "ranked as better than Tyreke", he should've worked out against the other PGs and show he wasn't scared. The fact that he DIDN'T do this told me a lot about him, because he knew he wasn't as good as these other guys and he wasn't ready. He's not a good shooter. He's an overrated passer. He's not a great defender. He's not an instant mismatch. He hasn't proven anything against the best in the NBA like Tyreke has. To say he's better than Tyreke is flat out ridiculous and should be called on the carpet for saying that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[John Galt]

players from the 2000-2009 draft that have been better than tyreke ( in no particular order)

1. wade
2. lebron
3. carmello
4. amare
5. arenas (because of injuries etc i feel tyreke is better than him today)
6. cp3
7. pau gasol
8. durant
9. granger
10. deron williams

within 2 years tyreke will be better than

1. arenas
2. durant
3. granger
4. deron williams


disputable

5. pau
6. cp3

I like the top 10 list. I don't assume Reke will be better than the guys in the second and third lists though... those are really really good players. If Reke assumes a position in the heart of that second list and maintains it for the long haul I'll be happy.

 

[kingsnation]

players from the 2000-2009 draft that have been better than tyreke ( in no particular order)

1. wade
2. lebron
3. carmello
4. amare
5. arenas (because of injuries etc i feel tyreke is better than him today)
6. cp3
7. pau gasol
8. durant
9. granger
10. deron williams

within 2 years tyreke will be better than

1. arenas
2. durant
3. granger
4. deron williams


disputable

5. pau
6. cp3

I have to say, this is the first time I've opened this thread and I've gotten a few good laughs.

Tyrant's list is the best I've seen in comparing Reke's ranking to others. Aries, sorry dude but when you include Oden and Blake Griffin in your list - it just kind of makes the list moot, IMO.

Anyways, in looking at Tyrant's list - I disagree with a few.. namely Arenas, Pau, Granger and Deron Williams. And Dwight Howard/Chris Bosh should be on the list as well.

I think in evaluating Reke's performance as a PLAYER, you have to look at the impact he's had on and off the court for this team and this city. He has brought, not single-handedly I know, but he's brought passion and excitement back to a franchise that was just about dead.

Add to the fact that Reke is averaging the same ppg/rpg/apg numbers as Lebron and is only 1 of 4 to do so, that's pretty amazing. He has also proven that in 27 games into his young career - he is one pretty clutch dude.

Arenas and Granger have never, IMO, shown the ability to change the face of their team. All-stars, yes. Franchise-changers, no.

I already think Reke is better than Deron, and honestly Pau is only as good as his supporting cast - namely the defending NBA champions. He was good in Memphis, but LA has really made him great. Again, he is not a franchise changer. If he was, Memphis would be a different team now.

So, Reke is easily, IMO, based on the type of player he is (clutch, franchise-changing, 20/4/4, etc...) He is Top 7-8 drafted at the very least. And in a few years, will be Top 3-5.

 

[iowamcnabb]

If I was starting a franchise I would take Lebron and Melo over Evans no question. After that I'd have to think pretty hard about taking Reke over anyone else. He just has "it" and that "it" goes beyond skill and athletic ability. We would probably have 5 or 6 wins if we didn't draft him. That's impact.

 

[AriesMar27]

Sorry for bringing this from the first page, but I just have to refute these incorrect statements. I am not exactly sure what Bosh's numbers were his rookie year, but I am sure he was not as good as Reke is right now. That can also be said about Melo and probably Wade. Lebron was probably a bit better in his rookie year. It seems like you are comparing these players at their current age to Reke as a rookie, but instead you have to compare them at the same time.

Carmelo has made the playoffs every year of his career, Wade made it his rookie season with odom and butler. Bosh didn't make it because Carter got injured. Evans is a good player but to try to put him in the same category as players who have been there already is crazy. He might get there one day or he might not, he hasn't played 30 games in the NBA yet. He who shall remain nameless hasn't played a single game in the NBA and has accomished more than Evans, he does have a silver medal from the olympics. He has played pg on a much bigger stage and against the best players in the world. If you can say that Evans is better because he has played less than 30 NBA games then I can just as easily say that he who shall remain nameless is better for winning a silver medal. Which isn't easy, ask lebron James, Wade and Carmelo. They tried after their rookie season and couldn't do it.

 

[kingsnation]

He who shall remain nameless hasn't played a single game in the NBA and has accomished more than Evans, he does have a silver medal from the olympics. He has played pg on a much bigger stage and against the best players in the world. If you can say that Evans is better because he has played less than 30 NBA games then I can just as easily say that he who shall remain nameless is better for winning a silver medal.

And Fabricio Oberto won a gold medal. What's your point?

 

[VF21]

Carmelo has made the playoffs every year of his career, Wade made it his rookie season with odom and butler. Bosh didn't make it because Carter got injured. Evans is a good player but to try to put him in the same category as players who have been there already is crazy. He might get there one day or he might not, he hasn't played 30 games in the NBA yet. He who shall remain nameless hasn't played a single game in the NBA and has accomished more than Evans, he does have a silver medal from the olympics. He has played pg on a much bigger stage and against the best players in the world. If you can say that Evans is better because he has played less than 30 NBA games then I can just as easily say that he who shall remain nameless is better for winning a silver medal. Which isn't easy, ask lebron James, Wade and Carmelo. They tried after their rookie season and couldn't do it.

Pretty desperate comment. And totally without any kind of relevance whatsoever. Rubio hasn't accomplished anything that would compare to Evans. A silver medal in the Olympics is nice and shiny and all that but it doesn't mean a thing in this discussion.

Nice try, but the emperor's clothes are starting to look a bit frayed.

 

[VF21]

If I was starting a franchise I would take Lebron and Melo over Evans no question. After that I'd have to think pretty hard about taking Reke over anyone else. He just has "it" and that "it" goes beyond skill and athletic ability. We would probably have 5 or 6 wins if we didn't draft him. That's impact.

To add to your thought, the only other one I'd think really hard about taking before Tyreke would be Dwight Howard.