Grades v. Hornets 12/08/09

This team is coming close, but what will it take to get over the hump?

  • Jason learns to control his fouls

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Spencer toughens up

    Votes: 15 12.9%
  • Evans becomes a better point guard

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Cut down on turnovers

    Votes: 6 5.2%
  • Better FT shooting

    Votes: 29 25.0%
  • Kevin returns

    Votes: 9 7.8%
  • A trade

    Votes: 18 15.5%
  • Time --- just let the kids grow up

    Votes: 30 25.9%

  • Total voters
    116
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Bricklayer

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#1
So damn close.

Boxscore

Nocioni ( C- ) -- ooh boy. Got off to the poor start to this one. Not only poor results, but just did not like the flow/feel -- seems to be increasingly resistant to our playcalling, taking the ball and running away from plays, particualrly when Reke is involved, to go go one on one. But he's not and never will be a great one on one player and so we get ugly forces instead. Played a poor first half, and was getting minutes for no other reason than being a veteran after half, and in particular being used as a mini-PF against West with Jason in foul trouble again. At one point there in the 4th in fact our frontline was KT/Noc :eek:. Finally seemed to justify the tactic and the minutes when he came up with a great block on Okafor in the mid 4th, then a couple of minutes later played good active defense on West with less than two minutes to go keying another Reke runout. But got posted up and beat by West at the one minute mark as we just could not get the key stops we needed. And then came the sequence everybody will be talking about. Came up with a potential game saving offensive rebound off the Evans miss with 1 second to go, got fouled, and went to the line with a chance to tie it and send it to OT. Unfortunately you know how this story ends. He choked the first FT. And then, jsut to finish things off, needing to intentionally miss the second so we could come up iwht the miracle tip follow, he insead got called for a lane violation. The Hornets got the ball back with us having nothing to show for the supposedly "free" points, and all they had to do was inbound it into their backcourt, and game over. There's really not much to say. Just choked. Am sure he feels worse about it than anyone, but I think we feel pretty damn bad too. Did underscore something for me though -- been years since I flopped back in the coach and groaned after we lost a tight game -- just hasn't mattered in a long time. Now all of a sudden we, and I, want them again. Much more fun this way.

Thompson ( B+ ) -- got off to another struggling start, wasn't staying with West on defense, but was at least trying to work the smaller West down in the post, to mixed effect. Was solid on the glass, although no more solid than West and Okafor, who both nabbed 12 to JT's 9 (Jason played fewer minutes however due to fouls). Started off the 3rd just turning and facing for the baseline jumper and playing solidly on the offensive side, but got beat by West repeatedly on defense as the two PFs dueled -- in fact for much of the game it was NO's PG and PF (CP3 and West) dueling with ours (Reke and JT) for control of the game. Fought through some physical defense by West to score and get the continuation in the late 3rd, but then blew the FT -- a common theme for us tonight. With West out of the game started off the 4th aggresively scoring inside against New Orleans' perennially scrubby backups (including our old friend Darius Songaila). Hit a wild high banking post move off the glass after returning in the mid-4th, but ever inventive in his quest for violations, discovered a new way to accumulate fouls and chase himself from the game, repeatedly yanking and pulling on jerseys + arms (mind you many excellent "saavy"/cheating post defenders over the years have gotten away with that, but its an art, and Jason is as subtle as a wardrobe malfunction). Came back at the 3:00 mark and fouled out immediately on the offensive foul pushing off with the off arm. Best he's looked in a while, but for the 1000th time in his young career, was not there when we needed him.

Hawes ( B- ) -- better effort than his last couple, but certainly not the one that is going to get people off of his back for soft play. Was doing a pretty good job of man defense early on both Okafor and West, and began to settle in and work he post as the half wore on. Nothing spectacular, but a solid 8pt 3-4reb type half. Came out of half and Okafor worked him in the early 3rd. Got his fast break dunk attempt blocked by 6'5" Devin Brown, which is NOT the way to shake those softness labels, and then got swatted by Okafor a minute later. Insisted on bricking up two more threes, but did hit a late long jumper to help keep us close. Grabbed an offensive board off of a Sergio miss down the stretch, but then did the too quick/panic thing he and Jason do and bricked the follow hook. Finished up with a respectable but uninspiring 12pt 7reb night, and so gets the respectable but uninspiring grade.

Greene ( C ) -- the wildly erratic production from Donte continued tonight, as he followed up his 21pt night with a 5pt night. Had a nice turnaround post move over by Paul but little else early -- it was his only score of the first half and he just wasn't involved offensively. Splashed in a three in the third and tried to post CP3 again -- is showing a definite mismatch post game right now that he can use against smaller guards, but has yet to prove he can post guys his own size. And that was kind of it. Forced one other drive and sat while others decided this one. Did not feel like a bad game so much as just an irrelevant one.

Evans ( A ) -- did not challenge Paul for the first few minutes, just moving the ball around to various teammates when pressed, but then the little feeling out session over, cranked it up and went on the attack. And for the second time this season we saw that there was little that Chris Paul, the best PG in the world, could do about it. Was dominating the first quarter for us again, and then on the very final play of the quarter got upended as he scored the final layup for us, and took a bad fall on his face/chest to close the quarter. Was down for a long time and I suspect young kids all over the Sacto area were learning fun new words from their daddies as he rolled around on the ground and had to be helped to the lockerroom. But it turns out little Johnny now knows how to swear like a sailor for no reason -- Reke was back out of the lockerroom by the mid-2nd quarter, and went straight to the scorer's table to check back in. And immediately he put the kabosh on any silly idea that he might be sore or tentative or whatever, and just squared up Devin Brown and blew right past him off the dribble to finish with the +1. Was doing a soild job defensively on Paul as well, just using his size, not going for fakes, not shutting him down, but just...depressing him. Interfering and preventing him from ever dominating. And when he swung over to guard fellow rookie Marcus Thornton he just repeatedly disrupted him -- the difference between a good rookie and a great rookie. And unlike certain members of the Kings who will go unnamed, Reke is also displaying excellent bball IQ and has quickly learned how to avoid picking up cheapie fouls. After the half drew a lot of attention from the Hornets defense -- many doubles, and his scoring was not there for long stretches of the 3rd/4th -- even joined the missed FT parade with 2 missed FTs at the end of the third. That syndrome has always been oddly cacthing. On the other hand just repeatedly found people all night long on the drive and kick and was racking up the assists. Got clobbered by a major pick from Okafor in the open court that somebody forgot to call out (he's going to be sore tommorow from these blows), but turned it to his advantage when in true NBA fashion he sprang back up to his feet and raced back the other way for the open court layup as soon we got the ball back. With us hanging on by our fingernails late, suddenly took off the silly Clark Kent glasses and exploded with the full on superstar rush in the final minutes, completely carrying us as he slashed to the rim again and again for layups and FTs (which he hit). Scored our final 9 points, and if he could have just made it 11 there might have been a "+" attached to this grade along with even more collective "wows" from around the country. Unfortunately his final layup attempt to tie it at the buzzer rolled off the iron, leading to Noc's O-rebound and FT line disaaster. Somehow I am thinking he'll have more of those moments, and sooner rather than later that last one is going to roll in. As an aside, this performance put him up over the 20pt 5reb 5ast plateau, something that as I recall has only ever been accomplished as a rookie by a trio of scrubs named Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, and LeBron James.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Bench

Rodriguez ( B- ) -- came in and in spalshed in a three courtresy of Reke. Created solidly while Reke was out, but when the rook got back it was Evans/Beno running things down the stretch of the first half, not Reke/Sergio. Was back in for our final play of the half, and once again turned it over as we cointinue to get nothing out of those situations. Tried to force too many drives into the teeth of the defense. Returned late int he game...for Jaosn Thompson. :eek: And got a nifty from behind block on CP3 in the final two minutes on a key play to keep us breathing.

Udrih ( B ) -- hit a pair of shots as we held the fort with Reke out with the injury, but actually got better when Reke came back and was both scoring and making some good entry passes down the stretch of the second quarter. Had a bad 24 second violation in the mid 3rd, just not getting us into our offense and more or less dribbling out the clock. Nice steal and layup to open the 4th, and added a big three in mid-4th to tie us back up. Was maybe too much Beno there for a while down the stretch -- I was actually prepared to complain about our late strategy as Beno, Sergio and Noc were taking the shots and dominating our possessions down the stretch, and getting nowhere -- you generally don't win NBA games on the back of Benos, Sergios and Noces in the clutch. But then Reke stepped back up and we almost pulled it off.

Thomas ( D+ ) -- did nothing in his first half minutes, yet we did better wiht him out there than with out starting bigs. Was being blatantly dared to shoot by the Hornets in the 3rd, and hurting us offensively as his man was free to double. Not effective on West defensively in the 3rd either. Same guy who grabbed 18 rebounds in Phoenix 2 games ago grabbed all of 1 in 24 minutes tongiht. Rather comically blew too wide open flip layups in the mid 4th that hurt us. Well comical unless you were us.

Udoka ( B ) -- longest stint in some time with Casspi out. Defense helped us close the gap in the early second, and got long minutes just helping us set a defensive tone. Was helping our team defense tremendously, diving down on doulble teams, stepping up to close off lanes. Still not hitting those threes that used to be his one big offensive thing. The Udoka/Thomas forward pairing left us punchless on offense during their minutes together.

Notes: watching us in the early going it was funny how much bigger we were at basically every position. We've gone from a midget franchise to one wiht a 6'5"/6'5" PG, a 6'11"SG, A Noc, and 6'11"/7'0" across the frontline. Meanwhiel its New Orelans in midget hell. Scarily ran a KT/Noc "bigs" lineup for a few minutes in the 4th. Please find us some size Geoff.
 
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Kingsguy881

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#5
If Tyreke makes that last layup, is there any questioning the fact that this KID is going to be a future superstar? Is there really any questioning it from happening anyway after tonight, either way? Wow, gee, let me score the last 7 points, put my team on my back and attack these silly fools, mere mortals who think they can stop me.

I'd honestly be the first team in history to extend a rookie's contract by many millions. The only thing that could derail this kids ascension to elite is an injury. He seems to be very, very tough, but damn kid stop scaring me......
 

VF21

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SME
#7
I had to vote for Jason to learn to control his fouls, although I'd also agree with it just taking time. The problem is that I'm not at all convinced Jason understands what he's doing is hurting himself and the team. You don't grab the other guys jersey. There's no way that ends well. And every single time you act like the injured party, the officials see it and remember ... and call the fouls even more closely.

Jason has incredible potential but he has to be willing to change those things in his game that hurt him. It's like dribbling the ball inside instead of going straight up with the ball for the dunk.

We all see his potential. The one thing that can make him reach the next level is the ability to understand and correct the little things.
 
#8
Spencer showed a little more life today in terms of toughness. Baby steps, but he needs to develop a nasty streak, gain more weight (good weight), and continue to utilize his post moves


Tyreke - A....+ if you made that damn last layup, but we forgive you...
 
#9
Re: Poll

Hard to know who "the kids" are anymore. JT played all 82 games his rookie season and now looks like he may do it again. All this after playing 4 years of NCAA basketball. A major problem is that he's currently 5th leading in fouls after being #1 in that category last season in the NBA. Plus, the arguing, pouting like a little wuss constantly - is just more carry over from last year. Either he grows up one of these days soon or he might have a mediocre whining career. Spencer is soft, Spencer is extremely soft. What's going to change that? Only if he evolves into a Dirk Nowitzki clone or close to it is there hope. It took Dirk 3-4 years to become a star so maybe there's some miracle on the horizon. Donte appears to have grow up some from last year but is still inconsistent. Evans appears to be as mature as any vet on the team and a total package for all to see. Calling Reke a kid (and he is one at age 20), seems meaningless compared to the other "kids." Who's left? Casspi, Brockman - they seem mature and plenty tough enough at this point as solid contributing rooks.
 
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The one thing that I wish this team did was not shy away from Tyreke for most of the 4th. I know he came in midway through but it felt like he didn't touch the rock until the 2 minute mark. Otherwise, great game except for the "L".
 
#11
The one thing that I wish this team did was not shy away from Tyreke for most of the 4th. I know he came in midway through but it felt like he didn't touch the rock until the 2 minute mark. Otherwise, great game except for the "L".
I agree. He was really aggressive in the first before his injury. But when he came back, they didn't look to attack with him on the smaller guards of NOLA for most of the 3rd and 4th.
 
#13
Really could have used Garcia or Casspi tonight. The offensive black holes that are KT, Nocioni, and Udoka are wearing our team down.

edit: also, who had a little mini-cheer inside when my namesake swished that 29-footer? Its like reflex for me to want those flings to go in...
 
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id definately go with the jt, spencer, free throw options but since i could only pick one, it would be spencer being more tough. the turnovers are something that the team is working on and improving. the last few games, the thing that has pissed me off more than anything is spencers play. but if 2 of those 3 things could be rectified, its only a matter of time before we start winning more of these close games with good teams. you can tell jason not to make those stupid fouls, and you can spend hours in the gym working on free throws, being tough is something that spencer needs to find in himself
 
#19
Somebody needs to tell Hawes not to switch on defense TOO SOON.

Oftentimes he leaves his man to give help defense TOO SOON resulting to his man getting open for the easy gimme basket. If he needs to give help defense, he needs to make sure his man will not be LEFT TOO OPEN and TOO SOON for the easy pass and basket.
 
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Hawes ( B- ) -- better effort than his last couple, but certainly not the one that is going to get people off of his back for soft play. Was doing a pretty good job of man defense early on both Okafor and West, and began to settle in and work he post as the half wore on. Nothing spectacular, but a solid 8pt 3-4reb type half. Came out of half and Okafor worked him in the early 3rd. Got his fast break dunk attempt blocked by 6'5" Devin Brown, which is NOT the way to shake those softness labels, and then got swatted by Okafor a minute later. Insisted on bricking up tow more threes, but did hit a late long jumper to help keep us close. Grabbed an offensive board off of a Sergio miss down the stretch, but then did the too quick/panic thing he and Jasson do and bricked the folow hook. Finished up with a respectable but uninspiring 12pt 7reb night, and so gets the respectable but uninspiring grade.
To me, it looked like a LAYUP attempt that was blocked... which aggravated me even more.
 
#23
All our players go up soft... Tyreke at least makes the shot, but he goes up for layups, not for dunks. KT's layups are like.. I'm not sure if he's trying to make the shot or break the backboard by ramming the ball against it
 

Kingster

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All our players go up soft... Tyreke at least makes the shot, but he goes up for layups, not for dunks. KT's layups are like.. I'm not sure if he's trying to make the shot or break the backboard by ramming the ball against it
Layups off of one leg are often much more effective than dunks off of two. Allows the defender to catch up. Softness does not equal layups and vice-versa.
 
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against the spencer is soft stuff (which I am also guilty of), I was impressed to see him - after getting embarrassed by Okafor on the blocked dunk - come right back at him the next possession to try to dunk over him :eek:. The ball slipped out of his hands, but at least he was showing some cohones.

beyond the mental/emotional issues that seems to be limiting him most at the moment, he's going to have to get stronger to have any chance to compete in this league at the center position.
 
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against the spencer is soft stuff (which I am also guilty of), I was impressed to see him - after getting embarrassed by Okafor on the blocked dunk - come right back at him the next possession to try to dunk over him :eek:. The ball slipped out of his hands, but at least he was showing some cohones.

beyond the mental/emotional issues that seems to be limiting him most at the moment, he's going to have to get stronger to have any chance to compete in this league at the center position.
They should measure the size of a players hands before they draft him.
 
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