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fnordius

All-Star
#31
#31
rainmaker said:
I like this deal, but I strongly disagree with anyone who doesn't mind if Bosh walks at the end of the season. Sure we will have a lot of cap space, but for who? I really think 2010 cap space is a bunch of false hope, for a team like the kings.
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Agreed. Even if you don't like having Martin and Hawes on the roster, trading them for an ender makes some sense if you think we still need to blow up the team some more, but otherwise isn't getting value. And if you think we need to blow up the team some more, why get a guy who could probably get us to 39 wins before he bails? That's the hell we just escaped from.

The FO needs to decide whether we're done dumping players and rebuilding through the draft or not. If we are, Bosh would need to be extended. If we're not, we shouldn't trade for a short-term impact player, we should be shopping for a worthless ender + good draft picks instead.
 
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Prince_XY

Starter
#33
#33
ryanandty said:
The poster is probably not referring to any star players in particular, rather, the poster may be referring to more hard nosed, consummate professionals in the vein of Udoka and Nocioni. Even if we pick up no star, it should not be difficult to get tough role players in here to compliment Evans/ Thompson/ Garcia et.al.

I don't have a free agent list and I'm pressed for time, so I apologize for not mentioning a specific player, but you can perhaps get the gist.
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Thanks. That was my actual line of thinking and that is how down/frustrated I am on how the coaching staff had developed Martin and Hawes into softies.

I am more than willing to gamble on the possibility of losing Bosh and just getting tough role players ( like Nocioni in exchange for losing Martin and Hawes ), than have the softness of Martin and Hawes re-infect the whole team with their seemingly endless softness again.

It could very well happen knowing a lot of fans wants Martin and Hawes to be starters on this team for most of the time.
 
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OptimusRhyme

OptimusRhyme

Jive Turkey
#34
#34
Bosh is alright.. I watch alot of raps games here cuz all my buddys are raps fans.. But he isnt the type of big we are looking for.. Yah hes amazing on offense but his defense is weak.. We need an intimidator in the middle... Plus giving up kmart for him? nawww.. id rather wait till the draft and see what big we can get. or look for other trade options.
 
Kingster

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#35
#35
It's too close to a fair exchange to make a good trade. Does that make sense?:D

I'll put it another way. When you have a lot of FA money available, like the Kings do, you should be able to parlay it into a net gain significantly greater (not close) to where you started. This proposal is a marginal improvement over the status quo. Just not worth it.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#36
#36
Kingster said:
It's too close to a fair exchange to make a good trade. Does that make sense?:D

I'll put it another way. When you have a lot of FA money available, like the Kings do, you should be able to parlay it into a net gain significantly greater (not close) to where you started. This proposal is a marginal improvement over the status quo. Just not worth it.
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Note that this proposal does not actually involve burning that FA money or any enders, so how would that be applicable?
 
sidney

sidney

Starter
#37
#37
What are the rules for an extension? Can Bosh sign one with a new team he is traded to at the deadline? Or would he have to wait until July?

With an extension I would do this immediately. Without probably not. Burning those two assets for cap space alone would be too hard to swallow.
 
kupman

kupman

Starter
#38
#38
Kingster said:
It's too close to a fair exchange to make a good trade. Does that make sense?:D

I'll put it another way. When you have a lot of FA money available, like the Kings do, you should be able to parlay it into a net gain significantly greater (not close) to where you started. This proposal is a marginal improvement over the status quo. Just not worth it.
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I am in outer space here? I think Bosh >>> Kmart + Hawes.
 
Kingster

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#39
#39
Bricklayer said:
Note that this proposal does not actually involve burning that FA money or any enders, so how would that be applicable?
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You're right It doesn't. But by combining the FA money or any enders with player of value (such as Kevin Martin) you might be able to leverage into a trade that makes the Kings significantly better, not just marginally better. Just a thought.
 
Emma

Emma

Starter
#40
#40
sidney said:
What are the rules for an extension? Can Bosh sign one with a new team he is traded to at the deadline? Or would he have to wait until July?

With an extension I would do this immediately. Without probably not. Burning those two assets for cap space alone would be too hard to swallow.
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I believe that he must be extended by the team he is traded from before the trade goes down. Thus explaining the term "sign and trade."
 
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hammystyle

Starter
#41
#41
ryanandty said:
I believe that he must be extended by the team he is traded from before the trade goes down. Thus explaining the term "sign and trade."
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No, we'd be trading for a player already under contract through the end of the year who also has a player option for next year. We'd have right up until some deadline in June or July to try and extend him. Or he could exercise his player option though that is unlikely.

I think there's also a possibility that we complete the trade only on the agreement that he'd sign an extension. Like the trade and extension happen concurrently. I can't remember it ever happening in basketball but it happens in football and baseball.

Sign and trade is when a player is a free agent his former team signs him and trades him for value to a new team.
 
Emma

Emma

Starter
#42
#42
hammystyle said:
No, we'd be trading for a player already under contract through the end of the year who also has a player option for next year. We'd have right up until some deadline in June or July to try and extend him. Or he could exercise his player option though that is unlikely.

I think there's also a possibility that we complete the trade only on the agreement that he'd sign an extension. Like the trade and extension happen concurrently. I can't remember it ever happening in basketball but it happens in football and baseball.

Sign and trade is when a player is a free agent his former team signs him and trades him for value to a new team.
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My bad. So, the fear that he could just walk can not be allayed? Interesting.
 
KingsInBrazil

KingsInBrazil

G-League
#43
#43
I dont think Toronto would do this.. their frontcourt is already thin and soft (their starting C Bargnani is a Spencer Hawes v2.0 with some more talent)..

Terrible idea to pair two soft 3pt shooting Centers... :eek:

Hawes
Bargnani
Turko
Martin
Calderon

Rofl they would rank #30 In rebounds and every other defense statistic.. but hey they would bomb 3's all night long!
 
TheWileyVet

TheWileyVet

Starter
#45
#45
KingsInBrazil said:
I dont think Toronto would do this.. their frontcourt is already thin and soft (their starting C Bargnani is a Spencer Hawes v2.0 with some more talent)..

Terrible idea to pair two soft 3pt shooting Centers... :eek:

Hawes
Bargnani
Turko
Martin
Calderon

Rofl they would rank #30 In rebounds and every other defense statistic.. but hey they would bomb 3's all night long!
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But but but they would be high scoring and have cap relief next season!! :D
 
Section 101

Section 101

All-Star
#46
#46
hammystyle said:
No, we'd be trading for a player already under contract through the end of the year who also has a player option for next year. We'd have right up until some deadline in June or July to try and extend him. Or he could exercise his player option though that is unlikely.

I think there's also a possibility that we complete the trade only on the agreement that he'd sign an extension. Like the trade and extension happen concurrently. I can't remember it ever happening in basketball but it happens in football and baseball.

Sign and trade is when a player is a free agent his former team signs him and trades him for value to a new team.
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He can't sign the extension and then be traded. Only way to get him guaranteed past this year is sign or sign and trade.
 
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Oprostaj

Bench
#47
#47
After reading some comments and thinking about it... probably would not be too good of an idea on our end unless some kind of deal under the table was made about him staying. He is not worth as a half a year rental for what we are giving up. If he was the final piece to a championship, then yes. We could get more for Martin / Hawes next year after this FA bonanza is over and teams are looking around to retool / rebuild. Martin will be in his prime and Hawes will be one year older and hopefully better. Seems like too big of a gamble - for not enough payoff.
 
SacTownGrantFan

SacTownGrantFan

Bench
#48
#48
Oprostaj said:
After reading some comments and thinking about it... probably would not be too good of an idea on our end unless some kind of deal under the table was made about him staying. He is not worth as a half a year rental for what we are giving up. If he was the final piece to a championship, then yes. We could get more for Martin / Hawes next year after this FA bonanza is over and teams are looking around to retool / rebuild. Martin will be in his prime and Hawes will be one year older and hopefully better. Seems like too big of a gamble - for not enough payoff.[/quote]

Excellent point.
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Nighthawk1

Starter
#49
#49
Oprostaj said:
After reading some comments and thinking about it... probably would not be too good of an idea on our end unless some kind of deal under the table was made about him staying. He is not worth as a half a year rental for what we are giving up. If he was the final piece to a championship, then yes. We could get more for Martin / Hawes next year after this FA bonanza is over and teams are looking around to retool / rebuild. Martin will be in his prime and Hawes will be one year older and hopefully better. Seems like too big of a gamble - for not enough payoff.
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Says who though? Each year Martin get's hurt and is out for extended periods of times which will actually diminish his value. Same for Hawes, maybe he figures it out by next year or maybe he looks completely lost still which some teams might not value him as much as we obviously do. Really, a year out this pair might LOSE value as opposed to gaining it. Personally, and I hope I'm wrong I really feel KMart's injuries each year are something the Kings Organization needs to take very seriously if they plan on building a contender - we simply cannot have one of our best players hurt for 20+ games a season anymore. I'm all for trading a KMart package in the hopes of landing a resigned Bosh.

Ultimately the player will have the say in the SNT to Sacramento, and it really depends on their overall view of Tyreke Evans right now. IF these superstar players love this kids game and can see themselves going somewhere with Havoc - then we have a pretty solid shot at getting a Bosh or Amare type player but I don't think it will be immediate.
 
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