how about Sean Williams ?

#1
The guy is stuggling with his playing time on NETS,based on where the

man known as he is a "talent on shotblocker", maybe we should do

a trade to acquire him? yes, I make a admission that I am a idealist,

but is there any possibility get a talent like him and give a salvation

to improve our poor paint defensive?
 
#3
Excellent shot blocking talent, but has serious character issues. I don't think he's a good enough player for us to look past those attitude problems.
 
#5
Yeah, this guy's character issues are killing his career. They're that bad, seriously. He could be a very talented backup big man, but he'll likely be jobless in 2 years or less.

The one knock on him before he took a swandive was that he was consistently out of position/couldn't remember plays and had a poor basketball IQ. But again, good shotblocker & rebounder. Shame, shame, shame, we could use a guy like that...a lot of teams could, but he's unfortunately out of control.
 
#7
no way.. a knuckle head destroying team chemistry? no thanks, we are on the right track in the rebuild. we don't need to gamble on one of those fools. worst case is we lose a few more games and get another high pick. win, win, win 4 us.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#9
Why not? I mean really. We suck, we're young and should have only a bunch of minutes open to whoever can take them, and the guy is a legitimate shotblocking talent -- given minutes he could easily block more shots than every "big" man other than Hawes on our roster put together. Undersized again to plug our center issues (he's not going to stop Odeen either), but its not like we have anybody better to fill the role, and he's young enough to still improve. Might be acquirable too because the Nets seem to have tired of him early. But I certainly would not give up anything of note for him, or count on him -- he seriously might be too dumb to make it in the league. It would be more take a chance and see what happens than anything else. Think this is his contract year, so a low risk/high reward gamble. Worst comes to worst, Peaches can just slap him silly if he starts coming to work wreathed in funny smelling smoke again.
 
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#10
Sean Williams would be an interesting pickup--unique strengths, but tons of flaws that might just be enough to bounce him off the league. But he actually does fit our needs as far as bigs are concerned: he's young, athletic/mobile, and has really natural shotblocking instincts--the last aspect in particular is something we sorely need. Not to mention that the Nets are really growing tired of him and he could be had for the really cheap, I suspect, if we pursue that route.

But there's just tons of flaws here--even on draft day many hesitated because of his brainlessness, but the Nets bit at the end of the 1st round when he was considered a mid-2nd rounder. Another guy who made scouts salivate because of his physical tools. He hasn't changed at all since then--he's utterly foul prone, plays for the block every time and thus gets out of position and is a terrible defender, terrible rebounder, can't remember plays, has no range/ballhandling ability, and on top of his lack of skills/polish has a pee-poor demeanor on the court and off-the-court issues. The latter two can be excused if he was a starter, but as a marginal bench player I suspect it will eventually kick him out of the league.

Ultimately I have very few hopes for the guy, and certain big-man attributes are lacking (rebounding, real defense), but the shotblocking/athleticism/can be had for cheap is enough to entice me, just to see what he's got. I don't think he'll change, however, and he won't help us, so this might be a one-year rental when all's said and done.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#11
Sean Williams would be an interesting pickup--unique strengths, but tons of flaws that might just be enough to bounce him off the league. But he actually does fit our needs as far as bigs are concerned: he's young, athletic/mobile, and has really natural shotblocking instincts--the last aspect in particular is something we sorely need. Not to mention that the Nets are really growing tired of him and he could be had for the really cheap, I suspect, if we pursue that route.

But there's just tons of flaws here--even on draft day many hesitated because of his brainlessness, but the Nets bit at the end of the 1st round when he was considered a mid-2nd rounder. Another guy who made scouts salivate because of his physical tools. He hasn't changed at all since then--he's utterly foul prone, plays for the block every time and thus gets out of position and is a terrible defender, terrible rebounder, can't remember plays, has no range/ballhandling ability, and on top of his lack of skills/polish has a pee-poor demeanor on the court and off-the-court issues. The latter two can be excused if he was a starter, but as a marginal bench player I suspect it will eventually kick him out of the league.

Ultimately I have very few hopes for the guy, and certain big-man attributes are lacking (rebounding, real defense), but the shotblocking/athleticism/can be had for cheap is enough to entice me, just to see what he's got. I don't think he'll change, however, and he won't help us, so this might be a one-year rental when all's said and done.
Justin Williams part deuce. Except with a bad attitude.. Perfect!:eek:
 
#12
I find it quite amusing that Kings fans are against bringing in a guy to help shore up interior defense...because of character issues. I dont know if everyone realizes this but the Kings once traded a star player to attain a guy that commited one of the worst atrocities in all of NBA history. The Kings are/were a bit like the Raiders in a way. If hes talented and has character issues, we'll take him! Artest, Wells, Christie, Williams, Clark, Webber, Artest...Artest.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#15
I find it quite amusing that Kings fans are against bringing in a guy to help shore up interior defense...because of character issues. I dont know if everyone realizes this but the Kings once traded a star player to attain a guy that commited one of the worst atrocities in all of NBA history. The Kings are/were a bit like the Raiders in a way. If hes talented and has character issues, we'll take him! Artest, Wells, Christie, Williams, Clark, Webber, Artest...Artest.
I think it has more to do with lack of IQ than character issues. Although the character issues don't help. As I said, Justin Williams part deuce, except with a bad attitude...:)
 
#17
I find it quite amusing that Kings fans are against bringing in a guy to help shore up interior defense...because of character issues. I dont know if everyone realizes this but the Kings once traded a star player to attain a guy that commited one of the worst atrocities in all of NBA history. The Kings are/were a bit like the Raiders in a way. If hes talented and has character issues, we'll take him! Artest, Wells, Christie, Williams, Clark, Webber, Artest...Artest.
I think the big difference between Williams and the others you mentioned is that ALL the players the Kings have brought in with character issues have shown they have talent on the floor.
Sean Williams came into the league with a lot of potenial, but has yet to live up to any of it. Now he is young, so there is still time. The worry is bringing in a player for his potential, but who has made more news with his off court behavior.
 
#18
Actually I loved Justin Williams during his time with us...guy's length just enhanced his athleticism, and he showed an insane ability to rebound in his limited time with us, a carryover from his college days, and in between that still was a very decent shotblocker. He even improved his scoring rate from college and was an absolute foul magnet...that's tough to do for a marginal player. I prefer extreme rebounding and some shotblocking > all shotblocking and no rebounding all day. Even if you exclude Sean Williams' issues and looked at his game straight up, I'd still take Justin Williams over Sean Williams. Sure the guy was raw, but you can say that for many fringe athletic NBA big men, but he does the defensive big guy stuff really well, even if he was foul prone. You can't say the same for Sean Williams.
 
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Actually I loved Justin Williams during his time with us...guy's length just enhanced his athleticism, and he showed an insane ability to rebound in his limited time with us, a carryover from his college days, and in between that still was a very decent shotblocker. He even improved his scoring rate from college and was an absolute foul magnet...that's tough to do for a marginal player. I prefer extreme rebounding and some shotblocking > all shotblocking and no rebounding all day. Even if you exclude Sean Williams' issues and looked at his game straight up, I'd still take Justin Williams over Sean Williams. Sure the guy was raw, but you can say that for many fringe athletic NBA big men, but he does the defensive big guy stuff really well, even if he was foul prone. You can't say the same for Sean Williams.
Agreed.

Justin Williams per 48 = 17 pts, 17 reb, 2.2 blk, 57% shooting
Sean Williams per 48 = 14 pts, 11 reb, 4 blk, 51% shooting, major character issues.

I'll pass.
 
#27
i say go for it, he's young, brings the tough mentality. i think he's not doing so great in nj is cuz he aint getting playing time, i would be mad too if i was a great rebounder, shot blocker and not getting pt.
 
#28
i say go for it, he's young, brings the tough mentality. i think he's not doing so great in nj is cuz he aint getting playing time, i would be mad too if i was a great rebounder, shot blocker and not getting pt.
I say we go for it too.. A change of scenery helped Artest out. He was pretty good here in Sacramento.. untill the later part of his tenue.

Sean Williams is getting no PT in NJ, and we desperatly need a Backup Center. Lets take a chance... i bet we could get him for a future 2nd round pick or something.