Grades v. Spurs 10/31/09

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Ah well, one step forward, one step back. Not sure who got slapped down harder, us, or the bat.

Halloween = an appropriate night for a horror story right?

Poor Bat. Probably a prank.

Mason ( B- ) -- nothing in his first stint, some scrappy play down the stretch of the second quarter as the Spurs put us away. Hardnosed play kept on the floor in the third, including a flying put back dunk. Did not slow down Jefferson at all (same way he did not slow down Durant -- he's not a stopper, just a guy who normally tries on that end), although with us constantly switching up the defensive assignments of our perimeter people, Mason was not always on Jefferson.

Thompson ( C- ) -- we kept trying to post him in the early going, sometimes to set up slashers, sometimes to let him go at Duncan :eek: Did a nice job passing for the second night in the row, but unfortunately unless your name is Webber or Divac that's soemwhere way down there ont he lsit of things you really need out of your bigs, and Jason was largely rendered ineffective by Duncan, and checked off he boards for awhile by Blair as well. Did better going at Duncan in the third, but started picking up his dumb fouls as well and had to go to the bench. With Spencer reemerging it was Jason's turn to watch much of the late action (in this case just garbagetime) from the bench on his way to an ineffective 6pt 7reb night.

May ( C- ) -- in the early going bounced in a jumper courtesy of a Reke draw and kick, but otherwise struggled on defense against Duncan in his first stint. Was more active after he returned, but did make a bad careless backcourt pass that was picked off by The Beast (Blair) for an embarrassing freebie layup. On the positive side, did show the good high post passing once again, often setting up Mason. Lost some of his minutes with Spencer finally coming to play and finished up wiht an unimpressive 4pt 2reb night.

Martin ( B- ) -- finally got his offensive game going after shooting less than 30% through the first two games, but in many ways took a step back in every other aspect. Nudge me the next time you see anybody but Kevin come up with a 29pt 0reb 0ast statline. That takes effort, or rather lack of effort. That was kind of the distrubing thing about this one, and not just for Kevin -- felt a lot like game 1 with Kevin basically our only scorer while nobody else gave us anything, and even more unfortunately a lot like some of the games last year, with Kevin scoring a bunch of empty offensive points, yet doing nothing else and completely not mattering in a blowout where little defense was played. In fact if we are going to play the +/- game, Kevin came up with nearly as many minuses (-28) as points (29). In this one showed that it was going to be a different night offensively right from the beginning, getting off to a quick start scoring in a variety of ways and getting back to the line after the uncharacteristic shutout the night before. But the danger signs were there from the beginning as well, with nobody else getting involved at all -- Kevin finished the first quarter with 14 pts, nobody else had more than three. Largely shut down in the second quarter, and for the second night in a row got his jumpshot out near the three point line blocked by an opposing big with time tunning out. This time by Duncan in the final seconds of the 2nd quarter. Not effective helping bring the ball up. Continued adding points here and there as the Spurs coasted through the second half, and was somewhat inexplicably left out there to pad his stats up against the Spurs scrubs well after the game was over in the 4th, and even after we lost his backcourt mate to injury. Would have thoguht once Reke went down in a 20+pt blowout , that you get Kevin off the floor as quickly as possible just to make sure nothing freaky happens and you lose both guys in meaningless minutes.

Evans ( D+ ) -- sigh. So back to looking like a tentative rook like he did the first game. Knew what he wanted to do in this one, occasionally was able to do it, but the Spurs tried a variety of counters to keep Reke off balance, and he was never able to establish any kind of rhythm or impact until ironically just before he went down wiht a sprained ankle and had to leave the game. That obviously ended that. Started the game with a nice post, draw the double team, and kick to May for the open jumper. Wish any of our bigs understood that simple and yet devastating play. Of course it only works if you're abig enough load that the other team has to double you, and ironically our PG may end up being our most dangerous post presence. The Spurs were having trouble doubling him, so they began leaking Parker out to punish us the other way. And punish us they did -- Parker dominated this game back the other way, penetrating and scoring at will, and in the process getting Reke in foul trourble. Led to a long succession of desperate attempts to save Reke from further fouls by trying to guard Parker with Kevin, with Beno, with Omri Casspi believe it or not...none remotely worked. Meanwhile we were hiding Reke over on Jefferson to protect him, and he had the size to make that switch without it looking too ridiculous. Gave us a nifty spinning drive + kick to Beno for a three, but then picked up his third foul with about 4:00 min to go in the half, and coincidence or not we promptly fell apart and got blown out of the building -- what had been a close game was suddenly decided before half. Reke returned and started to come alive in the 3rd with a couple of strong drives, forcing the Spurs to call timeout, and then late in the quarter made back to back beautiful drive and dishes to Hawes along the baseline that are largely responsible for that "+". Got picked by Parker late, and then in the early 4th we had another Kings special -- a scary play when Reke went down grasping his ankle after stepping on Bonner's foot on a fast break attempt. Walked off the court but had to go to the locklrorom without shooting the FTs (Mason got to take them). Once again, like the first game, a game where you saw falshes fo great stuff, but where most of the minutes were a struggle to figure it out. He had a plan of attack, and sporadically it worked, but the Spurs not surprisingly were able to make it into an inefficient exercise where it would take four possessions of trying to work the post advantage to get one nifty play out of it. And meanwhile his opponent completely dictated play and just lit us up. In many ways, Reke still is in school. NBA PG school.

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Casspi ( C- ) -- bumped back up to first man off bench, but he may have preferred we didn't after a struggling night. Not able to get anything done on the offense in the first half, and found himself being forced to try to stay in front of Tony Parker for a long stretch of the second quarter, whcih not surprisingly did not work. Later got to guard Manu, and got scored over by him as well. This is where that injury to Cisco is tough -- Cisco was the backup SG, and now our choices are either a big PG (Beno) or poor Omri, who is 6'9" and was billed as a SF/Pf coming over, not a SF/SG. Let alone haivng to guard PGs. Added in a garbagetime three to make the stats look more respectable, but ineffective game on both sides of the ball.

Udrih ( C ) -- came right in for Reke and immediately splashed in a little jumper, but followed that by overpenetrating and throwing a pass to nobody up top that Parker picked up for an easy breakaway. Not surprsingly was just as ineffective as any other King at trying to slow Parker. Did not stand out for awfulness. Just kind of there.

Brockman ( C ) -- ah... Peaches vs. The Beast, Steelers vs. Seahawks, the matchup between two brahma bulls that everybody really wanted to see. An the winner was...well, probably The Beast. But during Brockman's minutes out there the two largely neutralized each other and Blair picked up the bulk of his numbers against others. Did get around Blair one time for a quick offensive board and follow, but otherwise largely checkd off the glass. Not really effective after half either against Blair or Ratliff. Still missing his FTs.

Hawes ( B ) -- Maybe a corner turned her. I hope. Played a poor first half in which he was still fluttering about and rushing things -- ineffective first stint and out of synch therafter. Got a few points, a few boards, but was turning it over left and right. But then suddenly Evans got him going in the third, and he seemed to settle in and get down to business. Might be an important moment for this team, and in a blowout loss of this type, might be the most significant development of the night (assuming Reke's ankle does indeed turn out to be minor). Was not just that he was able to finally be effective (quite a bit of it in garbage time), but that stylistically he played a lot closer to the way we need him too. Spencer is never physical, but tonight he did not shy from physical contact at least. He largely worked inside, used his height advantage over Blair in particular and did not go running screaming for mommy when The Beast bumped him. Finally did chuck up a three, just because he's a stubborn dip of a kid, but for the most part this was promising and he ended up putting together a 20-10 game (again largely in garbagetime after a struggle in the first half while the game was still in question, hence the lack of more enthusiasm). Tried to go in for the ultimate garbage stat -- a dunk with time running out in a 19pt loss (Sergio could have just run the clock out), and appropriately got it smacked back in his face by Ratliff for his troubles.

Nocioni ( D ) -- all that offense from last night? Was gone tonight in a 1-7 first half (0-4 from 3pt) . As were his minutes as I guess Westpahl continues to experiment. In any case, chucked up a lot of shots in his short minutes, missed nearly all of them. Made 1 or 2 scrap plays, but otherwise not much time and not much production.

Rodriguez ( C+ ) -- in by the 8 minute mark of garagetime and made a hustle steal on the baseline, only to negate it with a silly behind the back flip under our own hoop that was easily picked up for Spurs layup. Hit a corner three later. About it.

Greene ( INC ) -- in for the final 6 minutes, highly uneventful. Called for the ball, was largely ignored.

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Ah well, one step forward, one step back.

Halloween = an appropriate night for a horror story right?

grades coming...
I think I would prefer something more encouraging .... like Brazilian female soccer fans, Russian tennis girls, SI bikini models. It is going to be a long 82 game Halloween. There is no need for horror stories now :)
 
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After watching the last few games, I can't help but notice Spencer seams to have a problem holding on to the ball after it's passed to him or he goes for a rebound. Does he have bad hands? I didn't notice that last year at all.
 
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Spence's game is coming around. He was working in the paint tonight and rebounding well. Remember garbage time for the Spurs means Theo Ratliff and DeJuan Blair! By the way Brockman was matched up with Blair quite a bit and defended him well:)

I hope Tyreke has strong ankles and recovers quickly.

Happy Halloween!
KB
 
#13
Yeah but who knows how long he's gonna last in the league.
5 years, tops, but this game you can really see what a natural rebounder he is. Great instincts too--did you see that play where everyone was running down the court, and May was trying to pass to Evans after corralling a rebound--Blair made it look like he was running down the court, then quickly sideswiped the pass and got in for an easy layup. Savvy move there by the rook.
 
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[D]id you see that play where everyone was running down the court, and May was trying to pass to Evans after corralling a rebound--Blair made it look like he was running down the court, then quickly sideswiped the pass and got in for an easy layup. Savvy move there by the rook.
Made it look so easy, too. Perfect candidate for a cheap 2 year contract + team option.
 
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If Grant Hill is still playing, Blair will play. Modern medicine has moved us past these things. Up until Webb's injury microfracture sugery was basically considered career ending. as long as his minutes are controlled and he paces himself, Blair will be an awesome back up big man for years to come.
 

Entity

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The reason this game out of hand was becuase of 3 min and 46 sec of the worst lineup we could have had on the floor. With 3:46 left in the 2nd quarter we were down by 5. Jason Thompson goes out with foul trouble. then with 3:16 letft down by 8 Tyreke goes out with foul trouble. So for the last 3 min of the game out lineup is Hawes, Noc, Casspi, Martin, and Beno. That 8 point quickly turned into 20 I mean very quickly then we got a few shots to go and ended up being down 16 at the half.

Look guys this is not a bash I really like Omri. He could be a great player in the league one day he has alot of offensive skill with range and quickness. His defense is the worst on our team even worse than Kevins right now. I'd like to see him improve on defense.

So you put on the floor Hawes, Martin, Casspi, and Beno your defesne is going to suck. Noc is no defensive master himself.
 

bajaden

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Not much to say! Other than I didn't expect to win this game. It was the Spurs and it was their home opener. I had hoped for respectibility, and the Kings had it for one and a half quarters. Then the wheels came off.. I'm not sure whose idea it was to have Casspi try and guard Parker, but put that one in the trash. The only person close to decent was Evans, and he wasn't good either. I'm not sure anyone could have guarded Parker last night.

Anyway, it wasn't pretty, but fortunately we were having a great party at my house, so most of us didn't care. Cruzedude said, lets switch to the USC game so we can watch something positive. Heh heh, that didn't work out so well either. Well, lets switch to the world series and see the Yankee's get thumped. Heh heh, rained out. How about Dexter? He's always good for a few laughs...:eek:
 
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Did a nice job passing for the second night in the row, but unfortunately unless your name is Webber or Divac that's soemwhere way down there ont he lsit of things you really need out of your bigs
Well, unless the Westphal(/Geoff/Coachie?) plan demands that. It may be one of few ways of making our roster work.
 

Kingster

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Not much to say! Other than I didn't expect to win this game. It was the Spurs and it was their home opener. I had hoped for respectibility, and the Kings had it for one and a half quarters. Then the wheels came off.. I'm not sure whose idea it was to have Casspi try and guard Parker, but put that one in the trash. The only person close to decent was Evans, and he wasn't good either. I'm not sure anyone could have guarded Parker last night.
Teams that are successful against the Spurs aren't successful because the opposing point guard can defend Parker. Like Reynolds said, nobody keep Paul in front of him. It's because the defending team's bigs are good at rotating and helping out on Parker. Our bigs were terrible at that. End of story.
 
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He's very quick. Tyreke will have learn how to play better in the post. Team has to do a better job spcing as well. I liked his drive and dishes though... they will have that all day with his dirving ability.
 
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Why Does westphal HAVE to play BENO, NOC, HAWES, OMRI, AND BROCKMAN at the same time???? is this supposed to make the other team fear us? First he does that, then we are down by 25 and he inserts the franchise player for absolutely no reason. I honestly thought Paul was going to coach the team properly, until last night. First he starts Sean May, because he wants Hawes to play better, but that backfires every game. Then his gameplan revolves around shooting jumpers. He has absolutely no flow to his rotation. The first subs of the game are usually Mason and May, except those players need to play heavy minutes to be effective. May shooting a jumper....when did that help the development of Hawes or Thompson or Omri or Evans; And that basically sums up the last 3 1st quarters and last night's game. My advice to Westphal would be to start omri like he is the best player on the team, and start Brockman if he really wants to lite a fire under hawes. I hate watching professionals screw up, i wish the coach would at least put individual players in a position to win.
 

bajaden

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Teams that are successful against the Spurs aren't successful because the opposing point guard can defend Parker. Like Reynolds said, nobody keep Paul in front of him. It's because the defending team's bigs are good at rotating and helping out on Parker. Our bigs were terrible at that. End of story.
Three times in the game last night that I can remember Thompson rotated out of the pick and roll defensively and pushed Parker out. And guess what. He was left out there stranded by himself staring at Parker. Any time a big helps defend the pick and roll, the player helped has to rotate back and double to allow the big to get back to his man. The Kings wern't doing it.

Anyone that watched the Spurs defend the pick and roll last night saw a text book version of how its suspossed to work. If Thompson or Hawes is under the basket guarding his man, and Parker or Paul or whomever beats his man and drives into the key, just what is Thompson suspossed to do. He has no choice but to leave his man and front Parker. If he doesn't get any weakside help it ends up being a dunk behind him and he looks like the guy that screwed up.

A lot of the times the rotation problem isn't the big man, its the little man finishing the deal. As I pointed out in the Hornet game. Casspi rotated and picked up Beno's man out of the pick and roll. Beno went somewhere for a drink and left Casspi out there trying to guard both Durant and Hardin. There's plenty of blame to go around, but its not all the fault of the big. And, I will state that Beno is one of the worse defenders of the pick and roll that I have ever seen in my life.

I will say this though. The bigs have to do a better job of talking and letting the point guard know he's about to run into a pick.
 

rainmaker

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Three times in the game last night that I can remember Thompson rotated out of the pick and roll defensively and pushed Parker out. And guess what. He was left out there stranded by himself staring at Parker. Any time a big helps defend the pick and roll, the player helped has to rotate back and double to allow the big to get back to his man. The Kings wern't doing it.

Anyone that watched the Spurs defend the pick and roll last night saw a text book version of how its suspossed to work. If Thompson or Hawes is under the basket guarding his man, and Parker or Paul or whomever beats his man and drives into the key, just what is Thompson suspossed to do. He has no choice but to leave his man and front Parker. If he doesn't get any weakside help it ends up being a dunk behind him and he looks like the guy that screwed up.

A lot of the times the rotation problem isn't the big man, its the little man finishing the deal. As I pointed out in the Hornet game. Casspi rotated and picked up Beno's man out of the pick and roll. Beno went somewhere for a drink and left Casspi out there trying to guard both Durant and Hardin. There's plenty of blame to go around, but its not all the fault of the big. And, I will state that Beno is one of the worse defenders of the pick and roll that I have ever seen in my life.

I will say this though. The bigs have to do a better job of talking and letting the point guard know he's about to run into a pick.
Bajaden, your spot on as usuall. I think the effort so far has been better on defense. We also have a more physical presence than last year.

Our first defensive rotations have been good for the most part, but there seems to be a lapse in the 2nd and 3rd rotations. We're helping, but the guys who are helping don't have anyone helping them. Thats why our defense looks good the first 14-18 sec, and then we have a breakdown and give up an easy basket.

I'm glad Tyreke basically called out the bigs for not talking on defense. Part of being a good defensive team is holding each other accountable, and in order to do that you have to speak up when someone isn't doing their job. The bigs also have to hold the guards accountable for staying in front of their man. We'll continue to have these breakdowns until the guys are on the same page defensively.
 

Kingster

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Why Does westphal HAVE to play BENO, NOC, HAWES, OMRI, AND BROCKMAN at the same time???? is this supposed to make the other team fear us? First he does that, then we are down by 25 and he inserts the franchise player for absolutely no reason. I honestly thought Paul was going to coach the team properly, until last night. First he starts Sean May, because he wants Hawes to play better, but that backfires every game. Then his gameplan revolves around shooting jumpers. He has absolutely no flow to his rotation. The first subs of the game are usually Mason and May, except those players need to play heavy minutes to be effective. May shooting a jumper....when did that help the development of Hawes or Thompson or Omri or Evans; And that basically sums up the last 3 1st quarters and last night's game. My advice to Westphal would be to start omri like he is the best player on the team, and start Brockman if he really wants to lite a fire under hawes. I hate watching professionals screw up, i wish the coach would at least put individual players in a position to win.
Do you seriously think there is any lineup that the other team fears from the Kings? At this point Hawes, May, and Brockman are tweedle dum and tweedle dee and tweedle dee dum. Not a whole lot of difference. I think it helps Hawes's development to know that he has some competition for his minutes. Westphal is going to play a lot of guys and if they play well, he'll give them more minutes; if not, he won't. But to think that if Wesphal just had the right lineup out there that the Kings could win this game is farfetched at best.

By the way, he's playing the franchise player down by 25 in order to get him experience. If you don't want to play Tyreke if the game is out of contention, then Tyreke might average only 20-25 minutes this year because there are going to be many games in which the Kings are out of contention very early in the game.
 
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Same... Tale of the "second rounder" that we could have had... I still think we could have had CDR and Chalmers... O well.
So you don't like what we got in Brockman in the 2nd round?? I see him getting more playing time as the season progresses...we should have drafted Sean Elliot instead of Outta Service Pervis, and Karl Malone over Joe Kleine, Hindsightvis 20/20...but if life gives you lemons you find a way to make lemonade, and I don't look at Brockman as a lemon.
 
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