after the ridiculous contracts given out by this management, I don't think that this will be one that makes us a laughingstock. even if it does, would it be any different that where we stand now? Also, I would go for this if Kirilenko seems rejuvinated, if there is still game in him. He showed flashes last year of being more his old self. Not completely, but at least he would not be an albatross. You're right though, the contract is a killer if you are trying to retool.
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after the ridiculous contracts given out by this management, I don't think that this will be one that makes us a laughingstock. even if it does, would it be any different that where we stand now? Also, I would go for this if Kirilenko seems rejuvinated, if there is still game in him. He showed flashes last year of being more his old self. Not completely, but at least he would not be an albatross. You're right though, the contract is a killer if you are trying to retool.
Philly just acquired Brezec. I believe they are more open now to ship Dalembert coz he seems not the right blend to play with Brand down low. If we can somehow snag Dalembert for maybe a KT and Beno combo (since they don't really have a vet PGright now) it'll be a great Kings season to look forward.
Sam is a solid defensive C, who would be a good loan for 2 years even if we have to pay him 12M per. If it doesn't work out this year he can be another big expiring for on the trading block for next year. So its a win win for us but it all depends if the Sixers really want something from us.
C - Hawes/Dalembert
PF - Thompson/May/Brockman
SF - Nocioni/Greene/Casspi
SG - Martin/Garcia
PG - Evans/Rodriguez
I think that lineup will have a chance to surprise for a playoff sneak even in the West (esp. if May and Dalembert keeps away from injury).
Sam is a solid defensive C, who would be a good loan for 2 years even if we have to pay him 12M per. If it doesn't work out this year he can be another big expiring for on the trading block for next year. So its a win win for us but it all depends if the Sixers really want something from us.
C - Hawes/Dalembert
PF - Thompson/May/Brockman
SF - Nocioni/Greene/Casspi
SG - Martin/Garcia
PG - Evans/Rodriguez
I think that lineup will have a chance to surprise for a playoff sneak even in the West (esp. if May and Dalembert keeps away from injury).
I know this will sound less sexy, but they have another player that didn't play last year due to a ligament tear. I really liked him coming out of college. And thats 7ft center/PF Jason Smith. He's younger, cheaper, and, prior to the injury was very athletic. This is a 240 pound 7 footer that had a 37.5" vertical coming into the NBA. He's 23 years old. In his first year in the NBA he blocked 50 shots in 76 games while averaging 14.5 MPG.
Dalembert is due 12.4 mil for the next two years, whereas Smith is due 1.4 mil for next year with I believe a team option for the following year. Philly's team salaries are at a little over 62 mil so just by absorbing Smith's contract we could save them 1.4 mil this year. Or, we could trade KT contract for Smith and Kapono. Just a thought. I'm not opposed to trading for Dalembert. Its just that he's a bigger risk economicly for the Kings.
I think the problem is that Philly probably wants to unload Dalembert's contract. But yeah, for us to pick up Smith we would be getting a young player that could back up both center and PF, at a cheap price and a two year tryout. That probably means it won't happen...
I liked Smith coming out of college, at least as a sleeper, but even in college he was questioned as being a softie. Not the guy you bring in to shore up a team's defense.
I think you voice legitimate concerns, but I think softie is a bit strong, unless you mean lack of strength in the post, with which I agree. He's and excerpt from draftexpress prior to the draft.
Defensively, Smith gives up position too easily to players he’s matching up with—although there is always the legit possibility that these are direct orders from his coaching staff who can ill afford not having him on the floor. Still, he rarely looks like he’s giving 100% on this end of the floor, not being fully committed to stopping his man and being pushed around far too easily for someone his size. A bit of toughness and character is what we often come away missing from him.
Sifting through the numerous game tapes we acquired, it doesn’t seem like his teammates or coaching staff (who were unsurprisingly fired recently) did him any favors at all, though, which makes him particularly tough to evaluate compared with other players in this draft. Opposing teams knew that shutting him down would almost guarantee a victory, and for this reason he saw countless double teams throughout his career. He also played as a back to the basket center fairly often, even though he obviously projects as a face the basket power forward at the next level. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that Colorado State didn’t get anywhere close to the maximum they could out of him, and that his best days are clearly still ahead of him.
Although some might consider this evaluation to be on the harsh side—he really would be considered a lock for the top-5 of the draft if it weren’t for the weaknesses outlined above. Once you get outside of the top 10 portion of the draft, you really don’t find players with the kind of upside Smith has as a super talented athletic 7-footer who is just starting to come into his own as a basketball player. As mentioned, his strengths are extraordinarily unique, while his weaknesses are all for the most part correctable, even though players rarely change their mentality significantly once they become pros. That makes him one of the more high risk/high reward propositions of this draft. Look for him to get serious draft consideration starting around the 10th pick in the draft (Sacramento), but more likely from 16-18, Washington, New Jersey and Golden State—all of which would fit him like a glove. He likely does not fall past pick #21 (Philadelphia), where he reportedly recently had a fantastic workout. Look for him to announce he’s staying in the draft and hiring an agent on or very close to the 18th.
I would have posted the link, but because this article is just one of about 20 under the same link, I decided not to. Anyway, I'm certainly not suggesting that Smith would come in and be the next Mutumbo, but he is young with potential and would come cheap. Right now he looks better at backup center/PF than what we have now, which at center, is nothing. He certainly has the frame to carry more weight. He would be a gamble, but not a very risky one. This is probably much ado about nothing anyway.
Defensively, Smith gives up position too easily to players he’s matching up with—although there is always the legit possibility that these are direct orders from his coaching staff who can ill afford not having him on the floor. Still, he rarely looks like he’s giving 100% on this end of the floor, not being fully committed to stopping his man and being pushed around far too easily for someone his size. A bit of toughness and character is what we often come away missing from him.
Sifting through the numerous game tapes we acquired, it doesn’t seem like his teammates or coaching staff (who were unsurprisingly fired recently) did him any favors at all, though, which makes him particularly tough to evaluate compared with other players in this draft. Opposing teams knew that shutting him down would almost guarantee a victory, and for this reason he saw countless double teams throughout his career. He also played as a back to the basket center fairly often, even though he obviously projects as a face the basket power forward at the next level. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that Colorado State didn’t get anywhere close to the maximum they could out of him, and that his best days are clearly still ahead of him.
Although some might consider this evaluation to be on the harsh side—he really would be considered a lock for the top-5 of the draft if it weren’t for the weaknesses outlined above. Once you get outside of the top 10 portion of the draft, you really don’t find players with the kind of upside Smith has as a super talented athletic 7-footer who is just starting to come into his own as a basketball player. As mentioned, his strengths are extraordinarily unique, while his weaknesses are all for the most part correctable, even though players rarely change their mentality significantly once they become pros. That makes him one of the more high risk/high reward propositions of this draft. Look for him to get serious draft consideration starting around the 10th pick in the draft (Sacramento), but more likely from 16-18, Washington, New Jersey and Golden State—all of which would fit him like a glove. He likely does not fall past pick #21 (Philadelphia), where he reportedly recently had a fantastic workout. Look for him to announce he’s staying in the draft and hiring an agent on or very close to the 18th.
I would have posted the link, but because this article is just one of about 20 under the same link, I decided not to. Anyway, I'm certainly not suggesting that Smith would come in and be the next Mutumbo, but he is young with potential and would come cheap. Right now he looks better at backup center/PF than what we have now, which at center, is nothing. He certainly has the frame to carry more weight. He would be a gamble, but not a very risky one. This is probably much ado about nothing anyway.
Yeah, I can't imagine that we'll enter the season without a legit backup. As a fan I would lean more toward another young player. What the hell, were in a rebuild, so why not. On the other hand, I can see the logic behind picking up someone with more experience. The problem with the second senario is that I don't see any experienced free agent centers that I would want. So other than a trade I don't see any resolution to the problem.
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thats the downside of being a rebuilding team as opposed to being a rebuilding/retooling on the fly team. before this season all we could get were back up centers... diogu, moore, skinner, ostertag, keon, pollard, etc....
the only back up we couldnt replace was bobby up until we got him back last season only to not have a starting pg.
jarron and/or jason collins would be a great pick up, they are technically vets but they are so scrubtastic that they arent a threat to the development of thompson and hawes.just big bodies to throw at other teams when hawes and thompson get tired or into foul trouble.
the only back up we couldnt replace was bobby up until we got him back last season only to not have a starting pg.
jarron and/or jason collins would be a great pick up, they are technically vets but they are so scrubtastic that they arent a threat to the development of thompson and hawes.just big bodies to throw at other teams when hawes and thompson get tired or into foul trouble.
Yeah, I thought about the Collins twins. Hard to get excited about them, but at least you do know what your getting. By my count, we have 12 players on the roster right now. If we sign Brockman that makes 13, the league limit. Even with Brockman, I can't imagine going into the season without at least one more big as a backup at center. Hey, the last time I looked Jermaine O'Neal was still unsigned. Think he would go for the league minimum?
Last time I checked JO is still under the Heat's payroll.
Anyway, maybe the Bobcats is worth a try.
Diop is the guy I'm looking at. He's a 6M-7M per year till 2013. This is somewhat of the same price as what we are giving Udrih which also runs till 2013. The interesting thing is that the Bobcats already have 3 Centers right now with Mohammed, Chandler, and Diop. And there might be uncertainty to signing Felton. If Petrie throws in Beno for Diop it will give some flexibility to the Bobcats to spend their money which is supposed to be for Felton on some other position like PF which is clearly a weak point for them right now.
It's apparent that pretty soon the Bobcats will let go 1 of their Cs and any of those guys can easily fill the position we clearly lack. A long defensive C.
Anyway, maybe the Bobcats is worth a try.
Diop is the guy I'm looking at. He's a 6M-7M per year till 2013. This is somewhat of the same price as what we are giving Udrih which also runs till 2013. The interesting thing is that the Bobcats already have 3 Centers right now with Mohammed, Chandler, and Diop. And there might be uncertainty to signing Felton. If Petrie throws in Beno for Diop it will give some flexibility to the Bobcats to spend their money which is supposed to be for Felton on some other position like PF which is clearly a weak point for them right now.
It's apparent that pretty soon the Bobcats will let go 1 of their Cs and any of those guys can easily fill the position we clearly lack. A long defensive C.
Hmmm... I see your point. A straight trade of Beno for Diop. They make essentially the same salary and both are signed thru 2012. We fill a need and they fill a need. Diop has actually played fairly well when given the minutes. I could probably live with him for 10 to 15 minutes a game. He's certainly a big body.
You were right about J.O. I was going by the freeagent list on NBA.com which had him listed as an unrestricted freeagent. However on investigating futher I saw an asterick next to his name. Apparently he had a player option for this year and decided not to use it. for some reason they have yet to update their list where he's concerned...
http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2009/
You were right about J.O. I was going by the freeagent list on NBA.com which had him listed as an unrestricted freeagent. However on investigating futher I saw an asterick next to his name. Apparently he had a player option for this year and decided not to use it. for some reason they have yet to update their list where he's concerned...
http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2009/
I think the Bobcats are more likely to move Nazr Mohammed, who fell out of favor (as predicted) with Larry Brown last season. They've been looking to move Mohammed for a while now.
Diop was a target of the organization, and they got him. Then again, Larry could fall out of love with Diop quickly, as he does with most players...
Diop was a target of the organization, and they got him. Then again, Larry could fall out of love with Diop quickly, as he does with most players...
Yes, $1million pissed down the drain.
They might as well just sign me if they they are going to throw money at two of the least productive players to put on an NBA jersey in the last decade. Those guys are completely worthless. Completely. And I don't want to hear the B.S. about their positon defense either. Who cares. If the other guy only scores 17 instead of 20 because one of the Collins boys is on him, he still outscores his opponent 17-2 or so.
If that's the thought, let's go dig up Justin Williams again, or John Bryant even thought he wasn't good enough to play in summer leage. At least they suck cheaply.
They might as well just sign me if they they are going to throw money at two of the least productive players to put on an NBA jersey in the last decade. Those guys are completely worthless. Completely. And I don't want to hear the B.S. about their positon defense either. Who cares. If the other guy only scores 17 instead of 20 because one of the Collins boys is on him, he still outscores his opponent 17-2 or so.
If that's the thought, let's go dig up Justin Williams again, or John Bryant even thought he wasn't good enough to play in summer leage. At least they suck cheaply.