Sessions
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Sessions' numbers in 13 games starting this year:
18.2 points
7.7 assists
4.4 rebounds
2.7 turnovers
Beno starting:
10.8 points
4.3 assists
2.6 rebounds
2.3 turnovers
He's 22 also. He is an interesting prospect. I'd worry about the contract year thing too but he performed just as well last year. Also it's not like the bucks are lighting it up making him look good.
Draft Thabeet, sign Sessions, Draft Brackins or Collison with Houston pick.
Could be something there...
18.2 points
7.7 assists
4.4 rebounds
2.7 turnovers
Beno starting:
10.8 points
4.3 assists
2.6 rebounds
2.3 turnovers
He's 22 also. He is an interesting prospect. I'd worry about the contract year thing too but he performed just as well last year. Also it's not like the bucks are lighting it up making him look good.
Draft Thabeet, sign Sessions, Draft Brackins or Collison with Houston pick.
Could be something there...
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Sacramento: Kings get paid to take Solomon and indirectly lower the Celtics' luxury-tax bill. Here's the punch line: Sacramento's point guards are so bad that he might actually play. Grade: $
Hollingers trade grades....
thought i'd include this in if not Sessions then we better get someone to play PG for this team.... Our point guards suck... no joke
Hollingers trade grades....
thought i'd include this in if not Sessions then we better get someone to play PG for this team.... Our point guards suck... no joke
The deals today aren't the end of the process, they're merely the first step. If the Kings are seriously going to start putting a competitive team together again, I think they'll be exploring all kinds of options especially at the guard positions since we're now woefully short in those areas. And we don't have to do anything out of desperation.
Hollinger merely states the obvious - something any Kings fan over the age of 3 or so already knew.
Hollinger merely states the obvious - something any Kings fan over the age of 3 or so already knew.
I put this in the PG thread but I will put this here as well.... In a bit more detail...
The Maloofs are trying to shed $$ right? What if they sent Houston's pick along with Donte Greene to the Bucks for a resigned Sessions at 4 years 27mil (4th year a team option) and their 2nd round pick.
Being under the cap we could absorb salary right? This would in essence give the Kings Sessions for 5.5mil/yr considering you take Greene's contract which is about 1mil/yr for 2 more years, and the draft pick about 1mil/yr for 3 years off the books. It's better than signing him outright imo. We use that 2nd rounder and sign him to the minimum and bring in one other undrafted player at the minimum to sit on the end of the bench.
It's just a thought in these cost cutting times and I think that it wouldn't really hurt the Bucks because they would get something for Sessions rather than letting him just walk. Plus they would keep away from the lux tax because Greene + the pick are a shade less than 2mil/year.
Of course they couldn't take on KT or anything because that would put them over the luxury tax, but a trade like I had mentioned could work for both sides.
The Maloofs are trying to shed $$ right? What if they sent Houston's pick along with Donte Greene to the Bucks for a resigned Sessions at 4 years 27mil (4th year a team option) and their 2nd round pick.
Being under the cap we could absorb salary right? This would in essence give the Kings Sessions for 5.5mil/yr considering you take Greene's contract which is about 1mil/yr for 2 more years, and the draft pick about 1mil/yr for 3 years off the books. It's better than signing him outright imo. We use that 2nd rounder and sign him to the minimum and bring in one other undrafted player at the minimum to sit on the end of the bench.
It's just a thought in these cost cutting times and I think that it wouldn't really hurt the Bucks because they would get something for Sessions rather than letting him just walk. Plus they would keep away from the lux tax because Greene + the pick are a shade less than 2mil/year.
Of course they couldn't take on KT or anything because that would put them over the luxury tax, but a trade like I had mentioned could work for both sides.
The free agency this summer regarding PG will be an interesting one. There are several playoff teams who either need one or have to re-sign one. Not to mention teams like T-Wolves, Thunder, and Warriors will be looking to sign a PG if they don't get one via the draft.
I anticipate a lot of PG movement and Session will be a prime target for any playoff teams who needs a point.
So my guess is, he's not coming even if we can afford him.
I anticipate a lot of PG movement and Session will be a prime target for any playoff teams who needs a point.
So my guess is, he's not coming even if we can afford him.
Bucks giving up on signing Sessions?...
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59373/20090525/bucks_could_replace_sessions_with_flynn/
The Bucks, who have the tenth overall pick, are showing interest in Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn, according to DraftExpress.com.
It is appearing more and more unlikely that Milwaukee will be able to retain point guard Ramon Sessions due to his contract demands.
RealGM Note: Christopher Reina, the Executive Editor of RealGM, has projected that the Bucks will select point guard Brandon Jennings with the tenth selection.
Reina has Flynn going fourteenth to the Suns in his latest mock draft.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59373/20090525/bucks_could_replace_sessions_with_flynn/
The Bucks, who have the tenth overall pick, are showing interest in Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn, according to DraftExpress.com.
It is appearing more and more unlikely that Milwaukee will be able to retain point guard Ramon Sessions due to his contract demands.
RealGM Note: Christopher Reina, the Executive Editor of RealGM, has projected that the Bucks will select point guard Brandon Jennings with the tenth selection.
Reina has Flynn going fourteenth to the Suns in his latest mock draft.
Here's the thing about Sessions -- in 39 games starting last year these were his averages:
33.7min 15.1pts (.444 FG% .100 3pt% .786 FT%) 4.2reb 7.6ast 1.3stl 0.1blk
Now the questions are about his shooting (no range) and his defense -- is he jsut a ood numbers on bad team sort of guy? But we ARE a bad team, and I submit to you that any rookie PG we draft will have a very hard time matching those kinds of numbers, not only next year, but even by the time he's 22 like Sessions was. Maybe we should be trying to move up to take Thabeet instead fo Rubio and try to sign Sessions as the PG instead.
33.7min 15.1pts (.444 FG% .100 3pt% .786 FT%) 4.2reb 7.6ast 1.3stl 0.1blk
Now the questions are about his shooting (no range) and his defense -- is he jsut a ood numbers on bad team sort of guy? But we ARE a bad team, and I submit to you that any rookie PG we draft will have a very hard time matching those kinds of numbers, not only next year, but even by the time he's 22 like Sessions was. Maybe we should be trying to move up to take Thabeet instead fo Rubio and try to sign Sessions as the PG instead.
Here, insto rebuld:
1) trade up to get Thabeet, burn the #23 or #31 to grease the wheels if necessary.
2) sign Sessions
3) trade Jason Thompson, Beno Udrih, Kenny Thomas (ender) and our 2010 #1 (top 3 protected) for Chis Bosh
4) and if you want, we can even try to bring back Diogu and BJax
Resulting 12 man lineup:
C-Hawes Age: 20
PF-Bosh Age: 25
SF-Nocioni Age: 29
SG-Martin Age: 26
PG-Sessions Age: 23
SF/SG- Garcia Age: 28
C- Thabeet Age: 21
SF/PF Greene Age: 20
PF Diogu Age: 25
PG Jackson Age: 36
#23 pick (one of them may have been burned to get Thabeet)
#31 pick (one of them may have been burned to get Thabeet)
Coach: Thibodeau, Avery Johnson, somebody who likes defense
Result: it is tough to see the defense there -- why getting Thabeet was so critical, and a defensive coach would be a real boon. Our two best players are softy + softy squared. But that's a very talented young team, and we'd be back to being talked about at least. As usual the mvoes to get there are longshots, but not impossible longshots. Reasonable fantasies lets call them.
im up for that. Really the key point here is we either fill our PG hole with a FA which could speed up the rebuild considerably and allow us to use the pick to take an impact player like thabeet or we select rubio/jennings and slowly continue.
On the flip side we can take rubio/jennings and sign birdman
On the flip side we can take rubio/jennings and sign birdman
He's 22 -- if everytime a young player improves its just playing for a new contract...well, pretty much nobody could improve. ou never know -- that's about character. But the classic "playing for a contract" syndrome isn't young players coming into their own, its vets with an established level of play suddenly exceeding it.
Exactly my thought. While Sessions is playing even better than Beno ever did, even during Beno's contract push - there has to be some concern there.
I do not want to pay this kid and have him turn into an overpaid heavy contract that we're trying to unload in a couple years.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am intrigued by him. However, we have to use wisdom since we are a franchise that has a history dealing with bad contracts.
I do not want to pay this kid and have him turn into an overpaid heavy contract that we're trying to unload in a couple years.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am intrigued by him. However, we have to use wisdom since we are a franchise that has a history dealing with bad contracts.
Yes, very true. I think the experience and age factor does play a role. But he does have an agent whispering in his ear as well as the knowledge that he could land a nice starting position somewhere or a nice shiny new deal with the Bucks.
I do see your point though in the "coming into his own," hopefully this is his potential beginning to develop instead of a contract issue.
I do see your point though in the "coming into his own," hopefully this is his potential beginning to develop instead of a contract issue.
Whereas I've already applied to be Sessions agent, I must admit to being biased. Just kidding of course. I love Sessions. I liked him at UNR. He didn't get a lot press there because there was always a big the drew the attention.
As far as playing for a contract, thats nonsense. The truth is that he didn't get a chance to start at the point until the Bucks didn't have a choice because of injuries. From midseason on, he was one of the best points in the NBA. He's only 22 years old. He's athletic and, yes he's a good defender, but more importantly, he's a real deal point guard. Not a pretender like Beno.
But here's the problem. FA signings can't happen until after july 8th. The draft takes place before that, so, unless you know for sure that you have a legit shot at signing him, your hands are somewhat tied to drafting a point guard in a draft chuck full of them. I suspose that one option would be to get the Bucks and Sessions to agree to a sign and trade prior to the draft, and I'm not sure if thats legal or not.
But, if there's a way to aquire Sessions, then it opens up the draft that much more. Drafting Thabeet and adding Sessions would be huge steps at filling two holes in dire need of filling. Ahhh, hope springs eternal...
As far as playing for a contract, thats nonsense. The truth is that he didn't get a chance to start at the point until the Bucks didn't have a choice because of injuries. From midseason on, he was one of the best points in the NBA. He's only 22 years old. He's athletic and, yes he's a good defender, but more importantly, he's a real deal point guard. Not a pretender like Beno.
But here's the problem. FA signings can't happen until after july 8th. The draft takes place before that, so, unless you know for sure that you have a legit shot at signing him, your hands are somewhat tied to drafting a point guard in a draft chuck full of them. I suspose that one option would be to get the Bucks and Sessions to agree to a sign and trade prior to the draft, and I'm not sure if thats legal or not.
But, if there's a way to aquire Sessions, then it opens up the draft that much more. Drafting Thabeet and adding Sessions would be huge steps at filling two holes in dire need of filling. Ahhh, hope springs eternal...
Sessions just has some real defined strengths that I like for a point guard--his ability to pass which of course everyone knows, but also his ability to get to the free throw line (he's fifth among PGs in free throw attempts/field goal attempt). Those two attributes are usually mutually exclusive among point guards, and only Chauncey Billups and Kyle Lowry (explains why I like Lowry) had higher assists/possession and free throw attempts/field goal attempt; that alone makes him very very intriguing. And he's very young (22 years old), has pretty big primacy (as seen by his high usage rate), so needless to say if we get him he would be our point guard of the future, being able to step right up and produce.
I sense that he's becoming more and more scoring oriented (his assists/field goal attempt dropped from 1.09 in his breakout rookie season to 0.58 just last year) as his passing has become more ordinary, but defenses are focusing more on him and he rightfully is diversifying his game as a scorer. That's also consistent with what he did in college. While he can score, his scoring efficiency is quite average overall--he doesn't wow in points/possession, will pretty much never take a three pointer and his mid-range game is not really dependable at all, thus accounting for his average TS%--which is why his PER did not budge much because he traded off some of his great passing for less efficient scoring.
But the reason Sessions can still make an impact offensively is because his game is predicated around attacking the basket, and his ballhandling skill and craftiness allow him to be effective--think early Andre Miller with this guy in that he's not really that athletic, but he just wills himself to success around here. Another reason, like Lowry, his jumpshot has potential is because of what he shoots from the free throw line--80% on a high rate of attempts, and considering that shooting is the easiest thing to learn in the league, that really gives him a good chance to improve the shot and extend the range. But even on the off chance he doesn't develop the range, he can still slash effectively, and the lack of jumpshot will really only affect him once he reaches his 30s.
So he's a ready-made player with unique strengths for a point guard and fairly correctable flaws that don't appear to hinder his game much at all. He's really productive in athletic markers (really good rebounder in addition to the ability to draw fouls) despite not being that athletic, sticks to his strengths in general and passes the ball really well. Think a career trajectory of Andre Miller--besides their similarities in slashing and lack of range/jumper, Miller also traded off his passing for more scoring as his career progressed, and I suspect Sessions might do the same. He's a pure point guard, but he'll start to look to score more.
I sense that he's becoming more and more scoring oriented (his assists/field goal attempt dropped from 1.09 in his breakout rookie season to 0.58 just last year) as his passing has become more ordinary, but defenses are focusing more on him and he rightfully is diversifying his game as a scorer. That's also consistent with what he did in college. While he can score, his scoring efficiency is quite average overall--he doesn't wow in points/possession, will pretty much never take a three pointer and his mid-range game is not really dependable at all, thus accounting for his average TS%--which is why his PER did not budge much because he traded off some of his great passing for less efficient scoring.
But the reason Sessions can still make an impact offensively is because his game is predicated around attacking the basket, and his ballhandling skill and craftiness allow him to be effective--think early Andre Miller with this guy in that he's not really that athletic, but he just wills himself to success around here. Another reason, like Lowry, his jumpshot has potential is because of what he shoots from the free throw line--80% on a high rate of attempts, and considering that shooting is the easiest thing to learn in the league, that really gives him a good chance to improve the shot and extend the range. But even on the off chance he doesn't develop the range, he can still slash effectively, and the lack of jumpshot will really only affect him once he reaches his 30s.
So he's a ready-made player with unique strengths for a point guard and fairly correctable flaws that don't appear to hinder his game much at all. He's really productive in athletic markers (really good rebounder in addition to the ability to draw fouls) despite not being that athletic, sticks to his strengths in general and passes the ball really well. Think a career trajectory of Andre Miller--besides their similarities in slashing and lack of range/jumper, Miller also traded off his passing for more scoring as his career progressed, and I suspect Sessions might do the same. He's a pure point guard, but he'll start to look to score more.
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I feel like Sessions' athleticism is somewhat underrated. He's not Paul/Parker/Devin Harris fast, but he's definitely quick and his first step is especially impressive. He can also get up when he needs to.
In some ways his lack of outside shooting is almost a benefit because he's pretty deadly from 15 feet, and so he's taking mainly high percentage shots. I normally don't like points who can't shoot, but Sessions CAN shoot inside 20 feet, just not from 3. And like Arby's, I'm impressed by his assist to turnover ratio.
Like everyone else I'd be pretty happy if the Kings could snag him. In many ways he's already where you'd hope Rubio would be in a couple of years.
In some ways his lack of outside shooting is almost a benefit because he's pretty deadly from 15 feet, and so he's taking mainly high percentage shots. I normally don't like points who can't shoot, but Sessions CAN shoot inside 20 feet, just not from 3. And like Arby's, I'm impressed by his assist to turnover ratio.
Like everyone else I'd be pretty happy if the Kings could snag him. In many ways he's already where you'd hope Rubio would be in a couple of years.
Here, insto rebuld:
1) trade up to get Thabeet, burn the #23 or #31 to grease the wheels if necessary.
2) sign Sessions
3) trade Jason Thompson, Beno Udrih, Kenny Thomas (ender) and our 2010 #1 (top 3 protected) for Chis Bosh
4) and if you want, we can even try to bring back Diogu and BJax
Resulting 12 man lineup:
C-Hawes Age: 20
PF-Bosh Age: 25
SF-Nocioni Age: 29
SG-Martin Age: 26
PG-Sessions Age: 23
SF/SG- Garcia Age: 28
C- Thabeet Age: 21
SF/PF Greene Age: 20
PF Diogu Age: 25
PG Jackson Age: 36
#23 pick (one of them may have been burned to get Thabeet)
#31 pick (one of them may have been burned to get Thabeet)
Coach: Thibodeau, Avery Johnson, somebody who likes defense
Result: it is tough to see the defense there -- why getting Thabeet was so critical, and a defensive coach would be a real boon. Our two best players are softy + softy squared. But that's a very talented young team, and we'd be back to being talked about at least. As usual the mvoes to get there are longshots, but not impossible longshots. Reasonable fantasies lets call them.
1) trade up to get Thabeet, burn the #23 or #31 to grease the wheels if necessary.
2) sign Sessions
3) trade Jason Thompson, Beno Udrih, Kenny Thomas (ender) and our 2010 #1 (top 3 protected) for Chis Bosh
4) and if you want, we can even try to bring back Diogu and BJax
Resulting 12 man lineup:
C-Hawes Age: 20
PF-Bosh Age: 25
SF-Nocioni Age: 29
SG-Martin Age: 26
PG-Sessions Age: 23
SF/SG- Garcia Age: 28
C- Thabeet Age: 21
SF/PF Greene Age: 20
PF Diogu Age: 25
PG Jackson Age: 36
#23 pick (one of them may have been burned to get Thabeet)
#31 pick (one of them may have been burned to get Thabeet)
Coach: Thibodeau, Avery Johnson, somebody who likes defense
Result: it is tough to see the defense there -- why getting Thabeet was so critical, and a defensive coach would be a real boon. Our two best players are softy + softy squared. But that's a very talented young team, and we'd be back to being talked about at least. As usual the mvoes to get there are longshots, but not impossible longshots. Reasonable fantasies lets call them.