[CLE/ORL] - Eastern Conference finals

Who wins?


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Mr. S£im Citrus

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#32
Still don't believe in the Magic; they're too reliant on the three-point shot. The Houston Rockets are the only team in the history in the league to lead the league in three-point attempts (or even finish in the top three) and win the championship and, with all due respect to Dwight Howard, he's no Olajuwon.

I fully expect that the law of averages will catch up with them. Hard.
 
#33
Orlando will never play this good again in their lives. They shot the lights out, something they've struggled with the entire playoffs. I think they just woke the cavs up. I wouldn't be surprised to see cle win this in 5
 
#34
Orlando will never play this good again in their lives. They shot the lights out, something they've struggled with the entire playoffs. I think they just woke the cavs up. I wouldn't be surprised to see cle win this in 5
They did the same thing in game 7, so that's 2 games in a row against 2 different teams. I see no reason why they can't keep it up
 
#35
If Cleveland does not have the killer instinct and the mental focus to hold 16 point leads at home, it won't matter how well Orlando or anyone else is shooting.
 
#36
this team loses for the first time this playoffs and by one point to a team that shot threes outta their arses and you guys are questioning their mental toughness? Wow
 
#37
this team loses for the first time this playoffs and by one point to a team that shot threes outta their arses and you guys are questioning their mental toughness? Wow
Blowing a 16 point lead in the ECF against a team that lives on 3's at home where you only lost twice all year.. and you're not questioning their mental toughness? Wow.
 
#39
You are missing the point. Many teams lose game 1's. It was the way Cleveland did it. 16 point lead lost at home - where they went 39-2.

They thought they had this one giftwrapped after they went up by 16 and they stopped playing as hard as they should.

Did I ever say Cleveland was doomed? No, however - if they come out against Orlando the rest of this series and play the way they did last night, they will be.
 
#40
Still don't believe in the Magic; they're too reliant on the three-point shot. The Houston Rockets are the only team in the history in the league to lead the league in three-point attempts (or even finish in the top three) and win the championship and, with all due respect to Dwight Howard, he's no Olajuwon.

I fully expect that the law of averages will catch up with them. Hard.
I definitely understand where your coming from. They shot 45% last night but on the season shot 38% which is really the only difference in 1.2 shots made. Obviously it was the difference in the point totals last night but it's not like they shot 75%, they shot slightly above their average. They actually have only shot 35% for the playoffs including 30% or below for a lot of the Boston series.

D12 is no Hakeem but then again the centers left in the West are no Ewing or whatever either. He has Z and Ben Wallace for Cleveland and Bynum/Pau or Nene. Not exactly the greatest set of Cs ever. The only Cs that normally give D12 a ton of trouble are Perkins and Yao....
 
#41
it's 1 loss. Wow

The lakers lost game 1 to the sixers in '01 after going 11-0. They were weak mentally and they sure were doomed
Except LA matched up damn good against Philly.

Cleveland really struggles to defend Orlando's front line - especially if Brown keeps hiding James on Rafer.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#42
Seven percent above your average is not "slightly." And ten percent above their average for the playoffs is most certainly not "slightly." Orlando played above their level, and I don't believe they can do it three more times.
 
#43
exactly slim. If there was one game the magic had a good change of winning it was last nights game cause there was some worry cle might be sluggish. Orlando played way over their heads, especially in the second half. I really believe they just woke up a sleeping giant. The magic will be lucky to win another game in this series
 
#44
exactly slim. If there was one game the magic had a good change of winning it was last nights game cause there was some worry cle might be sluggish. Orlando played way over their heads, especially in the second half. I really believe they just woke up a sleeping giant. The magic will be lucky to win another game in this series
The Magic won both games against the Cavs at home this season, and gave them their worst loss of the season there, so I will gladly hold you to that
 
#45
Seven percent above your average is not "slightly." And ten percent above their average for the playoffs is most certainly not "slightly." Orlando played above their level, and I don't believe they can do it three more times.
Slightly in 1 game is 1 shot Seim. It's nothing. 1 going in versus 1 going out. It's not really anything amazing. Look at any statitics. 1 is a marginal amount. They hot 9 of 20. To get near average they would have been 8 of 20. OMG they need to go back to norm...lol. Let's see if it was near their playoff average 7 of 20. Again not that much of a difference especially for 1 game.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#46
If you "look at any statistics," what you see will convince you that Orlando is not going to shoot forty-five percent from three point range for the series, whether they take twenty shots, or a hundred and twenty shots. Seven percent is not marginal, and one shot is not marginal, especially not when the game was decided by one shot.

And please stop intentionally "mispronouncing" my name; I seem to recall having this conversation before with you: that is not an "E," and my handle is not "Seim."
 
#47
Yep, live by the three, die by the three. I think Cleveland still wins this series. Perhaps a bit of rust from their long break between series...

Plus, I'm not expecting Mo Williams and Delonte West to be as useless as they were in Game 1 ever again.
 
#48
that the magic is a lb3db3 (live by the three, die by..) team is a myth. they are one of the best defensive teams in the nba. they can get it done even when their shots are not falling.

people seem to be confusing losing interest vs. inferior teams (sixers, celtics without garnett) with being an inconsistent team. the magic had destroyed the cavs twice at home this season. and the last one was a game the cavs wanted real bad only to fold after a few minutes into the game.

in the first game of the ecf, cavs came out firing. so, that they were rusty due to a long lay-off does not hold any ground. they got the usual breathe on lebron fouls called. the only quarter that they really won was the first (the second finished 30-29 in favor of the cavs due to the half-court buzzer-beater three mo made). the reason the first quarter was so lop-sided was a mis-calculation due to stan van gundy. he envisioned an unbelievable defensive set-up which was overly concerned with lebron. the remaining of the game was balanced because the magic changed the strategy from stopping lebron at all costs to let him have his midrange shots, shut down everyone else.

as for magic playing their best ball ever. that would be a wrong diagnosis. they were playing their best when they were completely dominating teams on the western coast trip (beat the spurs, the lakers, the nuggets, etc.). they are playing ok now; some might even say that they are playing great. but that is what they really are. out of the big three, dwight scored above his average but due to a pee-poor opposing frontcourt, there is absolutely no reason why that should not continue. rashard was average, hedo besides his assists and running the show was below/around his averages. courtney lee sucked on offense. the only suspect player would be pietrus and that really is not a big deal.

on the other hand, do you honestly believe that lebron will keep shooting like he did in the first game? that will not happen. maybe the backcourt will shoot a little better but it probably will not be on a game tilting magnitude.

this series can go both ways. it is amazing how the media make people feel they "know" what they should at most "believe". cleveland is not that good and they do not match well with the magic. sure, cavs can go on win this series 5-1. but in all likelihood, the magic might sweep the cavs as well, especially if they learned their lesson against the celtics that losing games when you feel comfortable is very risky.
 
#49
If you "look at any statistics," what you see will convince you that Orlando is not going to shoot forty-five percent from three point range for the series, whether they take twenty shots, or a hundred and twenty shots. Seven percent is not marginal, and one shot is not marginal, especially not when the game was decided by one shot.

And please stop intentionally "mispronouncing" my name; I seem to recall having this conversation before with you: that is not an "E," and my handle is not "Seim."
Sorry, if we discussed it--it must have been a couple of years ago cause I didn't post that much the last 2 years. Is it Slim or Mr. S£im...I'm really not familar of what it's supposed to be.

I guess I can't convince you that over a 1 game sample 1 shot is trivial, c'est la vie.
 
#50
I actually feel bad for LeBron. If Cavs win that game, his performance goes down as one of the all-time great playoff performances. But because the Cavs lose, people in the media who never liked LeBron (Jon Barry and especially Skip Bayless for instance) use that as evidence that Kobe is somehow better than Lebron (even though Melo is outplaying him and Kobe loses the next night). But I guess that is what being a star is all about - you get most of the credit but also most of the blame.
 
#51
I actually feel bad for LeBron. If Cavs win that game, his performance goes down as one of the all-time great playoff performances. But because the Cavs lose, people in the media who never liked LeBron (Jon Barry and especially Skip Bayless for instance) use that as evidence that Kobe is somehow better than Lebron (even though Melo is outplaying him and Kobe loses the next night). But I guess that is what being a star is all about - you get most of the credit but also most of the blame.
Just wanted to share a couple quotes on leadership:

"Everything rises and falls on leadership." - John Maxwell
"When there's a victory, you get the praise. When something goes wrong, you take the blame." - Not sure who said this, but read it the other day.
When you wrote that last line, those 2 immediately popped in my head.
 
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