Blazers talking to Kings?
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Obviously I like the push for Bayless, and might be willing to tweak things to make that work for them (but NOT by giving up any of our picks -- just players. If they wanted Bobby Brown back, go for it). But in the end, if/when they say no to the Bayless thing I'd be willing to back off and take the Raef and a first deal rather than let the whole deal fall apart. Just don't tell them I said that.
John is very moveable. Since Martins return, he's been a very good 2nd option, and increased his rpg & apg & 3pt shooting percentage. So, we've set the price, and Portland has to decide if having a guy that can help them get past LAL in the Finals is worth a backup SG.
I personally hope that GP doesn't blink. Utah, Milwaukee, and the Bobcats all have injurys to their starting SF/SG that Salmons could fill. If Portland doesn't wants to get greedy, maybe we trade for Boozer, Sessions, or someone else.
I personally hope that GP doesn't blink. Utah, Milwaukee, and the Bobcats all have injurys to their starting SF/SG that Salmons could fill. If Portland doesn't wants to get greedy, maybe we trade for Boozer, Sessions, or someone else.
I've never liked Bayless. I was glad we didn't draft him, and I don't want him now. He was a scoring point guard in high school, a scoring point guard at Arizona, and all indications so far is that he'll be a scoring point guard in the NBA. No thanks. He's got talent, sure, but we need an identity more than we need pure talent right now (in my opinion anyway) and I don't think Bayless is the right type of player. If we can get a PG in the draft, than Bayless would be redundant anyway. How many backup PGs do you really need? We've already got three of them. (Two when Bobby leaves) I'd rather get Freeland.
I am a bit baffeled here. If we can fanagle a player like Bayless we do it 10 time out of 10. Worst case he is a scoring guard off the bench. Or a Ben Gordon clone with some decent trade value. I think considering out current position he would be a great roll of the dice. Couldn't be any worse than the scoring PG we currently have.
They do, if they are 6'5" or taller. Bayless, like Douby, is undersized and a scoring PG... these types of players are generally only successful through the college level. Honestly, who wants a PG that can't/refuses to pass? Don't get me wrong, I think he would be a great Douby replacement for future years, but I would *almost* prefer a first rounder (provided the draft was a bit deeper).
Either way, if the Kings can move Salmons and Moore, that give more time to our future stars. LaFrentz likely will never put on a Kings jersey (just guessing here, but he has been out all season); he is just an ender... a terrible, terrible ender. Makes you wonder if the Kings are talking to the Knicks about a Marbury for Miller deal.
Either way, if the Kings can move Salmons and Moore, that give more time to our future stars. LaFrentz likely will never put on a Kings jersey (just guessing here, but he has been out all season); he is just an ender... a terrible, terrible ender. Makes you wonder if the Kings are talking to the Knicks about a Marbury for Miller deal.
Ok, Bayless may be a scoring guard, but let's not condemn all scoring guards because of Douby. Bayless has better nerves, handles, finishes stronger inside and gets to the line more. And even for a scoing guard, I think he has better court awareness than Douby.
Bobby Jackson, Ben Gordon, Wade, there are a number of good ones. If we can get Bayless, we do it.
Bobby Jackson, Ben Gordon, Wade, there are a number of good ones. If we can get Bayless, we do it.
a) you don't get more. Guys are getting older, their roles are declining, this IS the peak value for players liek Brad and John.
b) you lose development time for your kids. Every minute Spencer is on the court instead of Brad, every extra minute we get to see ouot of Donte, help them develop, and help us guage their development. Also helps increase their trade value if we wanted to move them. The old guys are stifling them.
c) the fanbase needs a shakeup. Desperately. When you are a terrible team you can;t jsut keep on trotting out the same terrible players. Nobody wants to see them out there anymore. Soon nobody will care at all if we insist on sitting on them. There is absolutely no excitrment with this team. A young team wiht guys on the rise can be exciting even while losing.
d) better draft picks. Given how miserable we currently are, maybe this no longer applies. But in general, you ship out your vets, acquire assets, acquire caproom, and notch a couple of extra losses along the wy to improve your draft position.
e) free agency flexibility. EVERYBODY is trying to free capspace for 2010. If we put all our eggs in that basket we could be facing 10 other teams wiht major caproom, and threaten to get shut out entirely, especially if guys like LeBron start realizing where their bread is buttered and resign. If we have the caproom by this summer, then we can use it now, while few other teams are competing, or hang onto it for 2010 if there is nothing we like available. Lessons the chance of doing all the prepwork for 2010 and then coming up empty and saying what now. Also opens us up as a potential trade partner for various teams looking to dump sdalary before the 2010 rush.
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I think if you can get back a prospect or draft pick for Miller or Salmons in addition to an ender, that is the basis of rebuilding. If the Kings are able to drop enough salary, they will be able to secure a reasonably good Free Agent or two this offseason. Draft some prospects or makes some draft day dealing to upgrade picks, downgrade picks, or trade picks for young prospects. Pretty soon, you will have some players with big upsides that you can either develop or trade for greater value. Miller, sadly, is not worth too much as he is overpaid.
John maybe. I disagree on Brad as I think his value this year or next as a player are about the same but that big of an expiring contract opens a lot of eyes. Maybe its only the difference between an extra pick or some guy stashed in Europe but I think there is no harm in waiting for the right move.
Why, you don't have to play them. Teams do it all the team by putting the older, better-right-now guy on the bench to open development time for a young guy. That's a coaching move, not a reason to sell low. Besides, Donte simply isn't ready to do much more than launch a few ill-advised 3s, hustle but look lost and provide a sense of humor. There's talent but I don't know that throwing him out there for 20+ mpg is always the right thing for development.
Getting Raef and throwing the youngsters out there to get slaughtered isn't that exciting. I've watched our games and while its clear the vets time is over, fans aren't going to suddenly start running to the arena to watch a young team get killed. Psychologically, maybe its a good nudge but I'd rather the team make the right moves than moves for the sake of change.
I think we agree. I don't think anything at this point makes us that much worse or better this year.
Why, you don't have to play them. Teams do it all the team by putting the older, better-right-now guy on the bench to open development time for a young guy. That's a coaching move, not a reason to sell low. Besides, Donte simply isn't ready to do much more than launch a few ill-advised 3s, hustle but look lost and provide a sense of humor. There's talent but I don't know that throwing him out there for 20+ mpg is always the right thing for development.
Getting Raef and throwing the youngsters out there to get slaughtered isn't that exciting. I've watched our games and while its clear the vets time is over, fans aren't going to suddenly start running to the arena to watch a young team get killed. Psychologically, maybe its a good nudge but I'd rather the team make the right moves than moves for the sake of change.
I think we agree. I don't think anything at this point makes us that much worse or better this year.
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