Which Artest option would you prefer?
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I'm going with the option that includes a pick and/or young player with expiring filler. The Odom and Marion trades do nothing for our future prospects. Either would likely walk at the end of the year, just as would Artest if he remained on the roster, since we're not in a position to be giving a massive extension to a 30-ish player. Getting Thomas off the books a year earlier is nice for the Maloofs pocketbook, but we're looking at more flexibility the summer his deal expires anyway.
What either the Odom or Marion trades do immediately are to address the Artest headcase problem, and probably make us temporarily better for one year. Neither is a horrible situation, but at the end of the day what are we left with other than probably a worse draft position and possibly delaying finding out what Jason Thompson can do. Either could be mid-year trade fodder, but once again we'd be hoping to get back some long term piece (pick or young player), so we come back to the option I chose.
What either the Odom or Marion trades do immediately are to address the Artest headcase problem, and probably make us temporarily better for one year. Neither is a horrible situation, but at the end of the day what are we left with other than probably a worse draft position and possibly delaying finding out what Jason Thompson can do. Either could be mid-year trade fodder, but once again we'd be hoping to get back some long term piece (pick or young player), so we come back to the option I chose.
True. If anything, Petrie has shown that he doesn't have the cojones to swing a player like Marion or Odom mid-season after just receiving them. If he trades for a vet, it seems likely that it's someone he sees as part of the team for some time. I'm guessing that he's holding out for picks/youth, like the Bibby trade. At least there, he took a gamble on Williams in the hopes that he would fit the team long term.
I could be wrong.
I could be wrong.
I went with the Marion option. I'd be happy with any of the top three options - Odom, Marion, or Pick-N-A-Kid - but I'd like to see what we can do with a Hawes-Thompson-Marion-Martin lineup.
I'd also be more willing to bring Marion back than I would Odom. Under the assumption that Marion can be had for about $15M/year (may not quite be reasonable) then we might...
1) Dump Salmons for enders
2) Resign Garcia as a backup for $4-5M/year
...and look like this in the offseason of 2010:
Udrih (6), Singletary (1)
Martin (11)
Marion (15), Garcia (4-5)
Thompson (2)
Hawes (3)
'09 first rounder (2)
'10 first rounder (no need to sign immediately)
Giving us 8(+1) players under contract at about $45M, leaving $15M+ in cap space for a big free agent - either a PG or a big man. Seems like a nice scenario. Only problems are that Marion would be taking a bit of a pay cut to do that (will he do that?) and he'll be 32 in 2010 (= on his way down).
I'd also be more willing to bring Marion back than I would Odom. Under the assumption that Marion can be had for about $15M/year (may not quite be reasonable) then we might...
1) Dump Salmons for enders
2) Resign Garcia as a backup for $4-5M/year
...and look like this in the offseason of 2010:
Udrih (6), Singletary (1)
Martin (11)
Marion (15), Garcia (4-5)
Thompson (2)
Hawes (3)
'09 first rounder (2)
'10 first rounder (no need to sign immediately)
Giving us 8(+1) players under contract at about $45M, leaving $15M+ in cap space for a big free agent - either a PG or a big man. Seems like a nice scenario. Only problems are that Marion would be taking a bit of a pay cut to do that (will he do that?) and he'll be 32 in 2010 (= on his way down).
I'm fine with any of the 1st 3 options. I like both Marion/Odom, Odom's a bit younger and a bit of a better fit for us IMO, but I'd take either one of them considering they're huge expirings which would give us some cap room this summer probably. It'd be nice to get a good young player or picks too though. Like I'd take Mahinmi+1st+expirings from SA. Or I'd take Brooks/1st/BJax from Houston too(maybe, I kinda like Singletary more though). So really I like all 3 options. Just want to see him traded because this relationship is past the point of no return basically.
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how about a 3 way trade with the lakers and hawks....
kings trade
artest
moore
williams
kings receive
josh smith s&t for contract similar to martins
zaza (expiring)
hawks trade
smith
zaza
hawks receive
odom
ariza
lakers trade
odom
mihm
lakers receive
artest
moore
williams
i added moore instead of thomas to make it more appealing for the lakers... no one wants thomas and moore might be more useful as bynums backup... he's a hustle player and the lakers need that since turiaf is gone...
kings trade
artest
moore
williams
kings receive
josh smith s&t for contract similar to martins
zaza (expiring)
hawks trade
smith
zaza
hawks receive
odom
ariza
lakers trade
odom
mihm
lakers receive
artest
moore
williams
i added moore instead of thomas to make it more appealing for the lakers... no one wants thomas and moore might be more useful as bynums backup... he's a hustle player and the lakers need that since turiaf is gone...
Marion may be a bum who ruined a perfectly good title shot in Phoenix and too old for a rebuilding team, but for Artest/KT he's great value. If we could get him now that would be a coup--ship him at the trade deadline, see if you can get something in a sign and trade, or just let him walk, it's all good. If you want prospects and low draft picks, then you can still deal Miller and/or Salmons. But getting a player of Marion's caliber (or Odom, to a lesser degree) while dumping Ron's headache and Kenny's contract is too good to pass up.
May be too good to be true, too. But we'll see.
May be too good to be true, too. But we'll see.
