Artest to Denver For Linas Kleiza and Eduardo Najera
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Included in all this is the need to get Salmons into the starting lineup before he rots to death on the bench behind Artest. That is why I (an Artest fan) would be happy with Najera and a first rounder for Artest. Just to clarify the pecking order and get Salmons back on the floor.
I am not and have never been down on Ron, but the time has come.
I am not and have never been down on Ron, but the time has come.
It's not a great trade, but unless Petrie truly wants to resign Artest, it's net value. We're basically done for the season - very unlikely to move either up or down in the standings at this point - so Artest does nothing for us. Trading an "expiring" for an expiring plus a pick is at least getting something back.
Assuming this offer is on the table, Petrie is probably burning up the phone lines trying to get a sweeter deal, but I'd think when push comes to shove he'd have to take it at the deadline if he couldn't get more. Bottom line, if I'm in charge and this deal is on the table, Artest will be dealt, the only questions being how soon before the deadline, to whom, and for what?
Assuming this offer is on the table, Petrie is probably burning up the phone lines trying to get a sweeter deal, but I'd think when push comes to shove he'd have to take it at the deadline if he couldn't get more. Bottom line, if I'm in charge and this deal is on the table, Artest will be dealt, the only questions being how soon before the deadline, to whom, and for what?
Just ran the Artest for Brooks/Scola/Francis deal through ESPN's new trade machine. According to its newfangled projections, the trade would increase Houston's winning percentage by 14% to make them a 62-win team... Even crazier, it decreases the Kings's percentage by 24% to make them an 18-win team! (not possible, I know).
Houston is even more desparate for big bodies than we are. There's no way they're trading Scola, the only decent PF in their entire roster, for Artest. It just ain't gonna happen.
If Petrie takes Nene, he should be fired; unless Denver also takes KT from us, then it's a wash.
A young player and/or pick + expiring makes the most sense. But it's wishful thinking that any team would give up that much for a short-term rental.
So my conclusion is that Artest is not going anywhere. But I hope GP proves me wrong.
If Petrie takes Nene, he should be fired; unless Denver also takes KT from us, then it's a wash.
A young player and/or pick + expiring makes the most sense. But it's wishful thinking that any team would give up that much for a short-term rental.
So my conclusion is that Artest is not going anywhere. But I hope GP proves me wrong.
I like Ron Artest, but I want him traded......NOW!! There is no doubt in my mind that Ron is walking at the end of this year. He WILL opt out and the Kings will not pay him what he (or his agent) thinks he is worth. Therefore, we will get nothing.
So, I say trade him for a pick and a snickers bar. If worse comes to worse, just take the snickers.
So, I say trade him for a pick and a snickers bar. If worse comes to worse, just take the snickers.
Personally, I think its an extremly "ballsy" move to take on Nene. He has promised a hell of a lot and delivered very little. He has been oft injured and unfortunatly he is now fighting a pretty serious illness. We all hope he can fully recover from that but there are no guarantees.
All those issues plus the contract that seems to go on forever. If Nene didn't have the illness could hanging over his head I would be after him at 100mph but there is a lot of uncertainty here. It could prove to be a highly successful move for us but it could equally backfire on us big time!
All those issues plus the contract that seems to go on forever. If Nene didn't have the illness could hanging over his head I would be after him at 100mph but there is a lot of uncertainty here. It could prove to be a highly successful move for us but it could equally backfire on us big time!
Not at all, Denver is supposed to be willing to send us Najera (expiring) and a first round pick, which sounds both fair, and helpful to both teams. The only problem is that Najera's not quite at Artest's pay level, and filler is needed. So then the sticking point is whether the filler is Kleiza or not. Kleiza is a promising player, and I wouldn't mind having him, but we already have a nightmarish logjam at SF/SG anyway, so... as far as I'm concerned, any of Denver's expiring bench scrubs will do. A #20 draft pick isn't much, but a couple of months of Artest is worth virtually nothing to us, and we don't get stuck with any garbage.
That cannot be true because Denver is prohibited from trading their 2008 first round pick (since they already traded their 07 picks).
Maybe the Nuggets is offering their 09 pick but I doubt that because Nuggets only have 9 guys under contracts in 09 and over the cap, so they need that draft pick to bring in a youngster to help fill the bench (which happens to be AI's final yr for that championship run).
And it cannot be any pick from 2010 or beyond because AI will be gone and they may be a lottery team by then.
So common sense tells me that Denver cannot possibly have offered a 1st round pick for Artest. However, rumor in Denver is that they are offering Najera and JR Smith.
Maybe the Nuggets is offering their 09 pick but I doubt that because Nuggets only have 9 guys under contracts in 09 and over the cap, so they need that draft pick to bring in a youngster to help fill the bench (which happens to be AI's final yr for that championship run).
And it cannot be any pick from 2010 or beyond because AI will be gone and they may be a lottery team by then.
So common sense tells me that Denver cannot possibly have offered a 1st round pick for Artest. However, rumor in Denver is that they are offering Najera and JR Smith.
Man i hope that the SUNS can swoop in & offer their $8 million dollar trade exception & the rights to Atlanta's first round pick for Artest.
The SUNS are playing "all in" as it is with the gamble of bringing in Shaq O'neil, & have yet to fill out the roster after trading two for one.
Shawn Marion's perimeter defense hasn't been replaced & they must fill the 13th roster spot soon(as in about 9 days i believe).
Keeping fingers crossed. Even if Artest is only a 4 month rental.
The SUNS are playing "all in" as it is with the gamble of bringing in Shaq O'neil, & have yet to fill out the roster after trading two for one.
Shawn Marion's perimeter defense hasn't been replaced & they must fill the 13th roster spot soon(as in about 9 days i believe).
Keeping fingers crossed. Even if Artest is only a 4 month rental.
Ok..... Specifics?
I would agree that it's unlikely( sort of like the chances of the Lakers aquiring Gasol for nothing) due to the SUNS FO's emphasis on character & also that you'd think that the KINGS could get more in return for Artest.
It dosen't appear that his value is what some in SAC town had thought at this point.
I would agree that it's unlikely( sort of like the chances of the Lakers aquiring Gasol for nothing
) due to the SUNS FO's emphasis on character & also that you'd think that the KINGS could get more in return for Artest.It dosen't appear that his value is what some in SAC town had thought at this point.
I never said a year, and I don't much care what year. A pick in 2012 would do, at this point. At least it's something.
And Vlade4GM was right, it doesn't matter what they did last year. As long as they haven't traded away next year's pick already, they can do whatever they like with this year's, because the Stepien rule only deals with future picks, not past ones.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#71
And Vlade4GM was right, it doesn't matter what they did last year. As long as they haven't traded away next year's pick already, they can do whatever they like with this year's, because the Stepien rule only deals with future picks, not past ones.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#71
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I agree with everything you're saying, I just think it should be made clear that neither GS nor Pho will give up Wright or Atls pick in exchange for Ron. GS giving up Wright is less likely than Pho giving up that pick, but I still find it hard to picture Pho giving up that pick for Ron.
If there's any deal out there involving GS, I think it has to be Ron for Mikael Pietrus and Patrick O'Bryant. That's the max they'd give up for him IMO. Pietrus has demanded a trade and O'Bryant is a young big man that hasn't worked out so far. But nobody thought he'd come in and contribute right away. I'd do that trade instantly. It's better than giving up Ron for nothing. We get an athletic big man with unrealised potential.
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