Sac/Chi - Noah is on the "outs" w/ teammates.

Gary

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Chicago is hating Joakim Noah right now. Looks like he is the cause to (and if leaving he is the solution to) all their problems. Whether it be coaching, or lack there of. This kid feels the need to cause havok w/in the team, and supposedly the team asked for him to be suspended for a game or two per what I heard on Jim Rome? Not sure where this is all coming from, but I am sure they knew what they were getting when they drafted him.

WHAT if we were to offer them;

Sac out;
Mike Bibby

Sac in;
Kirk Hinrich
Joakim Noah

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Chicago out;
Joakim Noah
Kirk Hinrich

Chicago in;
Mike Bibby

Chicago gets a veteran PG and gets rid of Hinrich's contract, and Noah who has been causing problems there.

Sac gets a PG who might play better in Theus's system, and an insurance policy if Beno leaves after this year. IMO Beno is a backup and turns the ball over too much to constantly start. Hinrich is a better fit.

I am not sure if this will be a popular trade idea but I think Chicago did a whole lot better when Hinrich was playing well.. He has a 3-1 to/assist as well which isn't too shabby. The only reason I wouldn't do this is because of Hinrichs contract length, but he is young so he wouldn't be as tough as KT to move unless he totally went belly up upon arriving.
 
Gary

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A couple of "rumors" listed below.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/players/Joakim+Noah/nba.p.4287

Chicago Bulls interim coach Jim Boylan and forward Luol Deng denied that rookie Joakim Noah and veteran Ben Wallace got into an argument after the team's blowout loss to the Orlando Magic on Tuesday........

Chicago Bulls rookie Joakim Noah was benched for Sunday's game against the Atlanta Hawks — by his teammates. They delivered a unanimous vote after the rookie from Florida was involved in a confrontation with assistant coach Ron Adams in practice before Friday's game against the Philadelphia 76ers.........
 
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Gary said:
Chicago is hating Joakim Noah right now. Looks like he is the cause to (and if leaving he is the solution to) all their problems. Whether it be coaching, or lack there of. This kid feels the need to cause havok w/in the team, and supposedly the team asked for him to be suspended for a game or two per what I heard on Jim Rome? Not sure where this is all coming from, but I am sure they knew what they were getting when they drafted him.

WHAT if we were to offer them;

Sac out;
Mike Bibby

Sac in;
Kirk Hinrich
Joakim Noah

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Chicago out;
Joakim Noah
Kirk Hinrich

Chicago in;
Mike Bibby

Chicago gets a veteran PG and gets rid of Hinrich's contract, and Noah who has been causing problems there.

Sac gets a PG who might play better in Theus's system, and an insurance policy if Beno leaves after this year. IMO Beno is a backup and turns the ball over too much to constantly start. Hinrich is a better fit.

I am not sure if this will be a popular trade idea but I think Chicago did a whole lot better when Hinrich was playing well.. He has a 3-1 to/assist as well which isn't too shabby. The only reason I wouldn't do this is because of Hinrichs contract length, but he is young so he wouldn't be as tough as KT to move unless he totally went belly up upon arriving.
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I'd like to have Hinrich but at this point, because of his youth, he's got to be more valuable than Bibby. Hinrich's FG% aside, I like his defense and he does distribute the ball. Hinrich > Beno..... both have low FG% but Hinrich's defense is far superior to Beno's. Lots of guys on Chicago that I wouldn't mind seeing on Sac.
 
venom_7

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see I like this trade, and leaves us the option to ship ron to new york, miami, or cleveland with Kenny Thomas. I have no idea if salaries work out for this. Have them throw in.. Adrian Griffin and they can have Douby to be Ben Gordons understudy.
 
Bricklayer

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One problem: this would leave the Bulls with a backcourt of 6'1" Mike Bibby and 6'2" Ben Gordon. What they really need out there is a tall guard, not another midget. Course we have lots of those (big guards) too.
 
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nbrans

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I'm thinking something more like Moore and Garcia (because they need more consistent bigs and some backcourt scoring) for Thomas and Sefolosha (promising big and promising swing). They can probably do a lot better for Thomas though.
 
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mcsluggo

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yep.

Ben Wallace is having personal problems with another player, so the logical solution is to trade that other player for Ron Artest, Ben Wallace's favorite person in the world.

(that gloriously awful Rick Astley song "together forever" shoots through my mind when I picture this scenario)

Ben Wallace is a steaming turd. And if the Bulls could trade the Wallace for a LITERAL turd with the same contract, they'd be significantly better off.
 
LPKingsFan

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Rockmeister said:
With him having issues with the team, I'm not sure I want Noah.
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This trade would be a coup for the Kings. And don't try to paint it like Noah is the cause of his all team's problems (not you, but Gary).

From what I've heard, he's actually the only one that seems to care that they're losing, and vets don't want to be pushed by a rookie. That sounds like a perfect player for us, a young defensive big who wants to win.
 
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You have to ask yourself .If I was Chicago would I make the trade ?
I would say no. If I were Chicago and there was no salary cap, and money was no option. I wouldn't trade either player straight up for Bibby.
 
Gary

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LPKingsFan said:
This trade would be a coup for the Kings. And don't try to paint it like Noah is the cause of his all team's problems (not you, but Gary).

From what I've heard, he's actually the only one that seems to care that they're losing, and vets don't want to be pushed by a rookie. That sounds like a perfect player for us, a young defensive big who wants to win.
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Oh I am not trying to say he is the "cause" or anything.. Supposedly there was an issue early in the season after a loss that Noah spoke out about it.. They had stated a "rookie" shouldn't be speaking for the team or whatever.. Basically goes on and on from there. That's why I want the guy. He actually cares.. I think the vets didn't like a rookie speaking up or anything. I don't mind as long as he shows passion, and wants to win.

That's why I came up with this idea. I figured we might be able to get him cheap, and they might throw in Hinrich
 
Gary

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B.R.A.G. Dad said:
You have to ask yourself .If I was Chicago would I make the trade ?
I would say no. If I were Chicago and there was no salary cap, and money was no option. I wouldn't trade either player straight up for Bibby.
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The reason Chicago might make this trade is that Both Bibby, and Wallace would end at the same time. If their experiment doesn't work than they shed a ton of money at once, and still have Gordon, and Thomas. Noah supposedly has been disruptive, which might be the other reason to trade him. Just a thought.
 
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kupman

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mcsluggo said:
yep.

Ben Wallace is having personal problems with another player, so the logical solution is to trade that other player for Ron Artest, Ben Wallace's favorite person in the world.
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...and that is the beauty of it all. Artest and Wallace are two bad as* peas in a pod. They fight when playing each other, but could you imagine them in the same bad as* front court.

Often times people do like each other because they are so much alike. It is not until they team-up against a common enemy that they learn to love each other. Think about it, it worked for Hansel and Derek Zoolander.
 
beb0p

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Let me see, the Bulls need a big man... so they're going to trade Noah for some guard? Doesn't make sense.

IF... BIG IF.... the Bulls do trade Noah to us, the least... and I do mean the least they'd want is to dump Wallace on us and take back Spencer Hawes AND a 1st round pick.
 
Spike

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There would be a salary dump for sure, but there's no way Noah is worth Hawes PLUS a 1st round pick.
 
beb0p

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Exactly. The Bulls have already given up on one skinny center too soon, they're not going to make that same mistake without getting some real goods in return.
 
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I wouldnt be surprised if Noah is gettable at this point, the problem is we have zero to offer the Bulls. We'd have to get a third team involved. The Bulls are deep in the same things we are... perimiter scorers and versatile guys. This leaves me wondering what the Bulls might be interested in from teams that are interested in our guys... namely the Cavs/Heat/Knicks

Since the Bulls desperately need low post scoring or at least low post something the options really become:

Cavs - Gooden, Ilgauskas, Anderson V ( big Z is probly untouchable)

Heat - Shaq, Haslem (Shaq is old and expensive doubt the Bulls want him)

Knicks - Randolf, Curry, Lee (not sure Lee fits the bill, and Curry isnt ooing back to the Bulls)


So the most likely targets in a three way deal to get us Noah would be Haslem, Randolph, Gooden, and Anderson V. The next question are any of these guys enough to get Noah? Probly Randolf since you have Wallace to rebound and play D. Maybe Haslem depending on just how sour the situation is with Noah. Doubtful Gooden.

Cleveland - Artest makes no sense here, so this is the only trade where Bibby could be dumped. The problem is that Cleveland doesnt really have the ammo to land Noah either. I dicked around on RealGM and the most realistic package I could come up with had Gooden and Gibson goin to Chicago, Marshall and Noah coming to us for Noah and Joe Smith. Im not even sure if the salaries quite work because the trade checker is acting funky. Even so I can't see the Bulls trading Joe Smith and Noah for .... a younger Joe Smith and Gibson. Odds are Cleveland is out.

New York - probly the most intriguing. Obviously they have piles of point guards and are infatuated with Artest so Artest is the guy here. The rumor is though that Isiah is hesitant to trade much off the team. Again silly realgm is acting silly but I think it would have to send Artest and maybe Mikki to New York, Z-Bo to Chicago, and Noah, Joe Smith, and filler to Sac. Seems a lot for Chicago to give up. Still, a Randolf/Wallace/Deng/Heinrich/Gordon starting five is potent in the East. New York gets Artest and can move lee to the starting roll, Sac gets rid of Mikki and nets a young talent out f it. Sac is the team with the biggest talent loss here, but i'd probly say yes to this deal.

Miami- Probly a strect like the Cleveland one because ultimately Haslem is sorta Smith-ish and chicago has to include Smith in most of these deals to make them work. Would probly be Artest to Miami, Haslem and Wright (filler) to Chicago, and Noah to the Kings. I dont think thats enough for chicago to trade Noah and I can't figure a way to sweeten the deal.



It's kinda sad, there's two guys on the Bulls i would LOVE to snag somehow in Ty Thomas or Noah, both are seemingly in the doghouse there, but I can't think of a realistic way the Kings can land either one.
 
Kingster

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Bricklayer said:
One problem: this would leave the Bulls with a backcourt of 6'1" Mike Bibby and 6'2" Ben Gordon. What they really need out there is a tall guard, not another midget. Course we have lots of those (big guards) too.
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Play Deng at the 4, Artest at the 3. Deng is 6'9". He can handle pf.

Wallace, Deng, and Artest isn't bad for a front line.
 
LPKingsFan

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The Bulls do make sense as a possible 3rd team with Cleveland. I'd much rather have one of their young bigs (Noah or Thomas) than Gooden. If we do pull off the inevitable Bibby to Cleveland deal, I'd try to swing Gooden to Chicago and see if we could try to get some youth out of it.
 
'89 Kings Fan

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I would be very wary of trading for a guy who has been rejected by his teammates and his number 1 quality heading into the draft was "Leadership".
From nbadraft.net profile, "Great leadership ability, inspires his teammates to raise their level of play". His teammates voted to suspend him, I have never heard of that happening.
 
VF21

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And oddly enough, I wouldn't have too many concerns about bringing Noah to the Kings. There's undoubtedly a lot more to the story than what's been told in the press. IF Geoff Petrie, who generally has a way to find out "the rest of the story," did a trade that involved sending Ron Artest out and bringing Joakim Noah in I think we'd be on the winning end of the deal.

I've watched Noah for two years. He has a lot of potential and I think he could flourish quite nicely on a team surrounded by other young, intense and energetic teammates.
 
John Galt

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Joakim's gator chomp will compliment Mikki's clapping really well. We'd have the most enthusiastic PF tandem in the NBA.

Kidding aside I'd love to get Noah for Artest. That would be fine.
 
LPKingsFan

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I could see Noah as a bigger, shotblocking, and louder Shane Battier. Not necessarily the best player on the team, but a "glue" guy who is a leader in the locker room.
 
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The best trade I've seen:

Kings out: Bibby, Garcia
Kings in: Noah (Or Thomas), Newble, Snow, Duhon

Cavs out: Gooden, Newble, Snow
Cavs in: Bibby

Bulls out: Noah (Or Thomas), Duhon
Bulls in: Gooden, Garcia

I like that trade from all teams.
 
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