Kevin Martin re-signs (latest update)
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Its certainly the one you have to make as you try to move forward. Thought we'd have a hard time holding it at $10, but $11 isn't as bad as it could have been all things considered (all things including such beauties as the Peja and Rashard FA contracts). This is one of those cost of doing business type things.
That's a really good contract. He's worth that for sure. I'm glad we didn't get stuck paying him the max, and he's making 3-4 million less than Mike. This is something that makes me really happy.
No it isn't. This is the same league where a 28 year old Rashard Lewis gets 20 million per year. Brad Miller makes about the same amount of money. Mike makes more than that and Kevin's going to be better than he ever was. I don't see how that's too much money for a 24 year old 20 PPG scorer.
No it isn't. This is the same league where a 28 year old Rashard Lewis gets 20 million per year. Brad Miller makes about the same amount of money. Mike makes more than that and Kevin's going to be better than he ever was. I don't see how that's too much money for a 24 year old 20 PPG scorer.
What are you talking about? Kevin has shown a lot of signs before this that he'd have a year like that. He played well in the POs vs SA, he had some really nice moments the season before, and then he has a 20 PPG season. I think he has done enough to warrant a decent extension. If we don't sign him then a lot of you guys are saying "wow, we don't re-sign our best young player what is this FO doing" but when we do "we got ripped off we overpaid this is a bad contract". I'm not a Petrie homer but this is obviously a very good move. Stop looking at everything so negatively.
I expected something in the $10M-$13M range, so I'm not displeased. When you try to find the positive side of Sac's contract portfolio, there's nothing but rookie contracts , Justin Williams and *maybe* Ron Artest. When you compare Kevin's new contract to Bibby's, Miller's, KT's, SAR's, Moore's or Salmons', it looks quite decent. And I'm not about to complain about something which is above average.
Not insane. It's a good move.
11 mill, it's a big contract but he deserved it for all the hard work he puts in consistently each offseason. If a 24 year old in his first year starting, averaging 20/4/2/1 doesn't warrant a 11mil contract in this league I don't know who does.
Stop overreacting. This kid is the most exciting piece of our franchise right now.
He deserves it IMO. And he is going to imrove plenty more.
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The main problem with his D was he always got overpowered and stuff. I remember Mobley posted him up a lot last year in 1 game. But he's shown potential to be a good defender, he's got good lateral quickness and he's done a decent job on Tony Parker and a few other guys sometimes. He's not just a shooter. He slashes to the basket, he moves well w/o the ball, he is a SCORER. Scorers get PAID. That's the NBA.
Rashard Lewis is a bad rebounder, defender, and passer. But he averages 22 PPG and he gets 20 million$. Ray Allen is a scorer who is a decent passer and he gets paid like 15 million but he's a horrible defender+bad rebounder. Vince Carter isn't that great at either and he gets paid a ton of money. Kevin has the potential to be as good as those guys and he's going to make a lot less. I don't see the problem.
It jsut is what ist is and costs what it costs.
Is it "worth" it? If he never gets any better, its not really a great contract, but not a disastrous one either. Kevin doesn't make you win games, but you have to pay a 20pt scorer. Thing is that in the first year of a deal like this, if its constructed normally, you are probably talking maybe $9mil-$9.5mil, which is pretty good value. By the last year you might be talking $13mil, which isn't. Escalating contract the same way Mike's or Brad's escalated from reaosnable to ouches.
But again, just costs what it costs. Your only option is to lose your best young piece, and that's not really an option at all.
Is it "worth" it? If he never gets any better, its not really a great contract, but not a disastrous one either. Kevin doesn't make you win games, but you have to pay a 20pt scorer. Thing is that in the first year of a deal like this, if its constructed normally, you are probably talking maybe $9mil-$9.5mil, which is pretty good value. By the last year you might be talking $13mil, which isn't. Escalating contract the same way Mike's or Brad's escalated from reaosnable to ouches.
But again, just costs what it costs. Your only option is to lose your best young piece, and that's not really an option at all.
Rashard, perhaps. He's always been a Kevin level SF. Just a scoring compliment, not a true stud.
But Ray and Vince are both consisderably more potent and well rounded than Kevin. Nobody in the group defends. But Ray has actually always been a very GOOD rebounder for a guard, although aging now. They both are primary options drawing the other team's entire defensive focus and still scoring 25+. And Ray and Vince both create a lot of shots for others too.
Allen
26.4ppg 4.5reb 4.1ast 1.5stl 0.2blk
Vince
25.2ppg 6.0reb 4.8ast 1.0stl 0.4blk
Kevin
20.3ppg 4.3reb 2.2ast 1.2stl 0.1blk
Kevin is a full step behind those guys, who are a full step behind the superelites. I don't think that's how you justify this signing. Think the better way to do it is just to say:
Rip Hamilton
19.8ppg 3.8reb 3.8ast 0.8stl 0.2blk
has about 3 years at $10.5mil/yr left on his deal. Of course that means that the first few years of his deal were less, and so it must have ben smaller than Kevin's, but still in the same ballpark contribution and money wise.
But Ray and Vince are both consisderably more potent and well rounded than Kevin. Nobody in the group defends. But Ray has actually always been a very GOOD rebounder for a guard, although aging now. They both are primary options drawing the other team's entire defensive focus and still scoring 25+. And Ray and Vince both create a lot of shots for others too.
Allen
26.4ppg 4.5reb 4.1ast 1.5stl 0.2blk
Vince
25.2ppg 6.0reb 4.8ast 1.0stl 0.4blk
Kevin
20.3ppg 4.3reb 2.2ast 1.2stl 0.1blk
Kevin is a full step behind those guys, who are a full step behind the superelites. I don't think that's how you justify this signing. Think the better way to do it is just to say:
Rip Hamilton
19.8ppg 3.8reb 3.8ast 0.8stl 0.2blk
has about 3 years at $10.5mil/yr left on his deal. Of course that means that the first few years of his deal were less, and so it must have ben smaller than Kevin's, but still in the same ballpark contribution and money wise.
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Again, what are the options here?
I can predict, here, today, that yes there will be times in the future when having to work around this deal will be a pain. But hsi rookie contract is coming to an end, and so at that point....you just have to pay them. No real choice. As long as he doesn't get hurt or regress it should never reach the level of bad/unmoveable contract. So...*shrug*. Just is.
I wish we could have waited maybe halfway into this season or after the season just to make sure this wasn't a 1 year fluke thing for Kevin, but I guess after seeing the Rashard Lewis contract management probably didn't want to gamble on someone throwing the max at Kevin. Let's just hope that Kevin continues to expand and improve on his game, if he does then this contract will be very reasonable.
This really was a MUST sign deal unless Martin and his agen held out for an obscene contract ala Bonzi. Geoff has to make the deal for many reasons but chief among them are 1. If you are developing young tallent for the future what you look for are guys who keep putting up biger numbers each year. KMart did not jsut have ONE good year, he has improved each season asa King and shows no sign of leveling off yet. 2.Any NBA team that hopes to attract and hold top tallent HAS to reward great play other wise they become a training ground for top draft pics that real NBA teams then pick up (see LA Clipers). 3. Despite the opinions of amny hypnotized Kings fans, Petries reputation for makeing the big deal and KEEPING tallent is on the line. In order to be taken seriously Petrie just can't afford let his top young tallent walk.
This signing is pure MWS - money well spent.
Assuming we lock up Hawes in the next year or so, we will have a nice one-two punch offensively for years to come. And if Cisco becomes that crucial two-way player we will really have the flexibility in looking strictly for defensive minded PG & PF. Salmons, Williams and Shakur seem like nice role playing bench pieces to have.
Of course we still have the all-important task of getting rid of our crappy contracts, but this was a step in the right direction.
This just made my day.
Assuming we lock up Hawes in the next year or so, we will have a nice one-two punch offensively for years to come. And if Cisco becomes that crucial two-way player we will really have the flexibility in looking strictly for defensive minded PG & PF. Salmons, Williams and Shakur seem like nice role playing bench pieces to have.
Of course we still have the all-important task of getting rid of our crappy contracts, but this was a step in the right direction.
This just made my day.
Yep. When someone asked, a few months ago, how much money we'd need to set aside for Kevin, I looked at contracts like Hamilton's and Ginobili's. Neither are very multifaceted players, but both are good for some points. Hamilton's making $9.75M-$11.4M over the next few years, Ginobili's getting $9M-$10.7M, but those contracts are both a couple of years old, and player inflation continues unabated, so an extra 10 or 15 percent is to be expected in a newer contract. Plus both of those guys play for teams with recent championships, and hopes for more, which lowers the price of their contracts a bit. And Kevin scores more than either one of them.
I think $10M-$13M over 5 years is very much in line with Kevin's market value. Are NBA players ridiculously overpaid? Sure! But Kev's no more overpaid than most of the league.
I think $10M-$13M over 5 years is very much in line with Kevin's market value. Are NBA players ridiculously overpaid? Sure! But Kev's no more overpaid than most of the league.
As of today there weren't many. But I was in the minority here that thought it would be advantageous to move Kevin before he got his inflated contract and was still viewed as a steal with amazing upside. Now he's going to be playing with far higher expectations and the critics will start coming out of the woodwork en masse. This deal will also pretty much commit us to building through the draft which is probably going to be quite painful for many fans.
If true, I think the contract equates his market value. Good for Kevin, in less than a 20 month span, he went from a washout/bust to a multi-multi millionaire. Hopefully he keeps the hard work up.
I think paying him this was worth it rather than waiting until next year to see what he would actually get from another team on the open market. If Rashard Lewis can garner 20 million per year, I could see there being a team stupid enough to pay him 15 million per year.
This deal sort of reminds me of the deal Peja got before his breakout year - what if kevin goes for a 25/5 rb/2stl year? He'd definitely get 15 million plus next offseason.
I think paying him this was worth it rather than waiting until next year to see what he would actually get from another team on the open market. If Rashard Lewis can garner 20 million per year, I could see there being a team stupid enough to pay him 15 million per year.
This deal sort of reminds me of the deal Peja got before his breakout year - what if kevin goes for a 25/5 rb/2stl year? He'd definitely get 15 million plus next offseason.
Well, not so much on that last point. The beauty oif the Peja deal is that it was put together BEFOE he had his breakout year. So would have been like doing this last offseason. As is, $11mil for a scorer is not really a bargain. We had Peja locked up at like half of that for years and years. Now that was a bargain.
And not holding my breath on the last part. But he doesn't really have to for the contract to be ok. Its no bargain, but he;s getting paid pretty much what you just have to pay a 20ppg type scorer.
And not holding my breath on the last part. But he doesn't really have to for the contract to be ok. Its no bargain, but he;s getting paid pretty much what you just have to pay a 20ppg type scorer.
please go back to the lakers board. thanks.
Comparing K-mart a young, up and coming star who is our best player and exciting to watch at that, to a guy who will never play in hte league is childish at best and flat out ignorant at worst. Good Signing for us, he isnt over 30, and its not like were the ones paying the bills.
Comparing K-mart a young, up and coming star who is our best player and exciting to watch at that, to a guy who will never play in hte league is childish at best and flat out ignorant at worst. Good Signing for us, he isnt over 30, and its not like were the ones paying the bills.
Here, this might help. Just going by where guys are going to line up next year positionwise (i.e. Pierce at SF, TMac at OG etc., and I think I'll call A.I. a PG this week), my own rough rankings of the top 10-11 OGs and their remaining contracts:
1) Kobe 4yrs $89mil ($22.3mil/yr)
2) Wade 4yrs $60mil ($15mil/yr)
3) TMac 3yrs $63mil ($21mil/yr)
4) Allen 3yrs $52mil ($17.5mil/yr)
5) Johnson 3yrs $43mil ($14.3mil/yr)
6) Redd 4yrs $65mil ($16.3mil/yr)
7) Vince 4yrs $62mil ($15.5mil/yr)
8) JRich 4yrs $51mil ($12.8mil/yr)
9) Rip 3yrs $31.5mil ($10.5mil/yr)
10) Kevin (rookie deal) proposed 5yrs $55mil ($11mil/yr)
11) Gordon (rookie deal)
So as you can see IF that were the deal, its roughly in the right ballpark (and yes you can argue that the entire ballpark is terribly overpriced given that the entire list won about 4 combined playoff series last year, half of them by the lesser light Rip -- high scoring OGs and winning are not always closely associated).
1) Kobe 4yrs $89mil ($22.3mil/yr)
2) Wade 4yrs $60mil ($15mil/yr)
3) TMac 3yrs $63mil ($21mil/yr)
4) Allen 3yrs $52mil ($17.5mil/yr)
5) Johnson 3yrs $43mil ($14.3mil/yr)
6) Redd 4yrs $65mil ($16.3mil/yr)
7) Vince 4yrs $62mil ($15.5mil/yr)
8) JRich 4yrs $51mil ($12.8mil/yr)
9) Rip 3yrs $31.5mil ($10.5mil/yr)
10) Kevin (rookie deal) proposed 5yrs $55mil ($11mil/yr)
11) Gordon (rookie deal)
So as you can see IF that were the deal, its roughly in the right ballpark (and yes you can argue that the entire ballpark is terribly overpriced given that the entire list won about 4 combined playoff series last year, half of them by the lesser light Rip -- high scoring OGs and winning are not always closely associated).
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