Bee: Vick will plead guilty

AleksandarN

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Dog-fighting is a sport-Stephon???????????????

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2007/08/stephon_from_what_i_hear_dogfi.html



Stephon: 'From what I hear, Dog-fighting is a sport'


I know most of you might have seen this by now. But if not...
Capital 9 News in Albany posted it four hours ago. It was an interview with Stephon Marbury, who was up that way on Monday as part of his Starbury sneaker tour, and offered this thoughts on Michael Vick. (There's a brief horse racing promo at the start of the clip.)
If you're having trouble with the link (my bad), here's the transcript:
“We don’t say anything about people shooting deers and shooting other animals. You know what I mean? From what I hear, dog-fighting is a sport. It’s just behind closed doors and I think it’s tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down. I think he’s one of the superb athletes and he’s a good human being. I think he fell into a bad situation.”
You have to believe the Knicks - and James Dolan - can not be pleased with these misguided sentiments.
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Gary said:
Vick is a horrible person. I can't believe someoen would do somethignlike that to an animal. It's just wrong. In him pleading guilty I can com out an say that he should never ever ever be able to play in the NFL. He broke the rules, and as with any job he should be "fired". Maybe he can get a job in the CFL or something? Or the Arena League. But I don't think he should ever be able to play in the NFL again. A true Disgrace Vick is..
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Vick and everyone else who treats animals like this are horrible people. Being an animal lover, my heart crushed to read what Vick did to those dogs. I'm not a pit bull fan, but no dogs deserve this kind of cruelty.

I read in an article (don't know which one) but Vick's attorney was saying that Vick is hurting. For what?? He's hurting because he got caught. I have ZERO sympathy for Vick. ZERO.
 
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Rockmeister said:
I read in an article (don't know which one) but Vick's attorney was saying that Vick is hurting. For what?? He's hurting because he got caught. I have ZERO sympathy for Vick. ZERO.
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I can't source it but I've also read Vick lashed out at PETA recently. I'm not a big fan of PETA as I think they take a good cause to absurd lengths, but I'm sure he's still in complete denial right now. A week ago he maintained his innocence. He should be sucking up to PETA. Fortunately a little prison time may cure all that.

And if he actually gets his head screwed on straight and miraculously isn't banished for life all this could actually improve his football game a few years from now. The guy has always needed a few helpings of humble pie to keep him from heading into the heap of other could've been greats.
 
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I can't source it but I've also read Vick lashed out at PETA recently. I'm not a big fan of PETA as I think they take a good cause to absurd lengths, but I'm sure he's still in complete denial right now. A week ago he maintained his innocence. He should be sucking up to PETA. Fortunately a little prison time may cure all that.

And if he actually gets his head screwed on straight and miraculously isn't banished for life all this could actually improve his football game a few years from now. The guy has always needed a few helpings of humble pie to keep him from heading into the heap of other could've been greats.
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If he still in denial, I don't think a little prison time will cure it.
 
pdxKingsFan

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Rockmeister said:
If he still in denial, I don't think a little prison time will cure it.
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I guess it depends on where he winds up and how his fellow inmates view his crimes. Seems his entire career he's been the man and anytime something goes wrong its never his fault. I doubt he'll get that in prison, but I could be wrong as he will be surrounded by criminals and for all I know he'll be right at home.
 
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Stephon Marbury said:
From what I hear, dog-fighting is a sport. It’s just behind closed doors...
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Hey, poop for brains? It's behind closed doors because...









wait for it...














IT'S ILLEGAL!!!!
 
G_M

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Leonard Little gets drunk and kills a PERSON in 1998. In 2004 he is again arrested for DUI and speeding. In 2006 gets an extension from the Rams......


Weird.......
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
...[snip]...But my best friend is a huge football fan, and when I posed to him the idea of Vick returning to the NFL, these were his exact words: "As long as Al Davis owns the Raiders, there's always going to be at least one person willing to give Vick a second chance."
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....Which obviously says more about Al Davis than it does about Vick! That's all the more reason why I can't stand the Raiders, and it's because of Oakland Al, or as I call him, "THE AL". :mad:
 
kennadog

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StevenHW said:
At least one group is standing up for Michael Vick.

(click below):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070822/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_naacp;_ylt=ArG3Ef7BdkLrngpDxk0U2Das0NUE
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I have supported the NAACP over the years. This makes me very sad. They are doing just what they are accusing other people of doing. They are assuming the co-defendents are clearly guilty and not just "cutting their losses," just like Vick. They are also essentially accusing the co-defendents of lying. Apparently it's okay to question the character and assume the complete and utter guilt of Vick's co-defendents, but it's wrong to question Vick's character or accept his guilty plea at face value.

If they feel that an employer should take back an employee after serving time for a felony conviction, why aren't they saying exactly the same things to the press about the employers of the co-defendents? Because their jobs aren't for the "entertainment" of fans? I'll manage to entertain myself somehow, if I never see Vick again, thank you. :rolleyes:

What utter hypocrites. :mad:
 
HndsmCelt

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Once again Lewis Black's tirade on the the Daily show comes to mind. Micheal Vick is being judged not by the color of his skin but by his charater. The court of public opinion has found him lacking in that department. The NFL now has a chance to show the public if character counts for them or not. Their are WELL with in their rights to hold their players to some kind of standards. Many Americans belive that torturing animals is an inexcusable act that goes MUCH deeper than just a mistake or poor judgment, and doing i for entertainment purposes displays a lack of basic compasion that is a red flag to Psycholigists and Sociologists. In fact one of the first signs of a antisocial personalities (psychopaths) is torturing animals.
 
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pdxKingsFan

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This guy is President of the Atlanta chapter, I don't think he speaks for the whole NAACP and I know other black leaders have done their best to come out against those who tried to make this a racial issue early on. I'm guessing since he is from the Atlanta chapter he is also a Falcons and or Vick fan, which is why he also adds that he hopes Vick will be back with the Falcons when its all over.

I'm not a huge fan of hunting but all the hunters I know go out of there way to bring down their prey as quick and painlessly as possible and they also consume the animals for food, clothing, etc. Comparing the hunting to dogfighting for personal amusement and fortune, let alone the barbaric ways Vick and his co-defendants tortured and killed "unfit" dogs is truly ignorant.

Shame on Mr. White for using his position within the NAACP to try and make this something it is not.
 
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AleksandarN said:
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2007/08/stephon_from_what_i_hear_dogfi.html

Stephon: 'From what I hear, Dog-fighting is a sport'


I know most of you might have seen this by now. But if not...
Capital 9 News in Albany posted it four hours ago. It was an interview with Stephon Marbury, who was up that way on Monday as part of his Starbury sneaker tour, and offered this thoughts on Michael Vick. (There's a brief horse racing promo at the start of the clip.)
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Looks like even SFM realizes when he's gone over the terminal stupid line:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2988480&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Knicks guard has change of heart about Vick
ESPN.com news services
Updated: August 23, 2007, 4:13 PM ET

NEW YORK -- It didn't take long for New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury to go from defending Michael Vick to distancing himself from the soon-to-be-imprisoned Atlanta Falcons quarterback.

After being criticized for his remarks Monday for calling dogfighting a sport and comparing it to hunting, Marbury told the New York Post for Thursday's editions that he despises dogfighting and that Vick "is 100 percent wrong."

"I don't like it at all," Marbury said of dogfighting. "I don't think [Vick's] right. But this dude is trying to ask for forgiveness. ... The way the way it's going about in the newspapers and TV, it's ridiculous."

Marbury also said he never called dogfighting a sport.

"I said, 'From what I hear, dogfighting was a sport.' They're editing me on TV," he said.

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He will be sentenced Aug. 27 in Richmond and also faces possible prosecution on state charges.

Speaking hours after Vick announced he would agree to plead guilty, Marbury -- while promoting his basketball shoe in Albany, N.Y. -- told reporters he was in Vick's corner.

"I think it's tough," Marbury said, according to Albany TV station Capital News 9. "I think, you know, we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals. You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors.

"I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down. I think he's one of the superb athletes, and he's a good human being. I just think that he fell into a bad situation."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 
pdxKingsFan

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The latest is that as terms of his plea arrangement he will not have to admit to killing the dogs or actually placing any bets. So he's still not coming clean. His estranged father maintains it was wall Vick's operation.
 
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Juicy_J said:
Killing deers and other animals is fine, but having dogs fight is such a bad thing.

Damn, what a world of inequality.
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I never had a pet deer. I wanted one when I was a kid, but my mom said no.

Many would argue that killing any animal is not right. I do like steak though so I guess I'm a hypocrite :)
 
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Juicy_J said:
Killing deers and other animals is fine, but having dogs fight is such a bad thing.

Damn, what a world of inequality.
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When's the last time you had dog steak?

:rolleyes:

This isn't about hunting. It's about Michael Vick - brace yourself - BREAKING THE LAW. Hunting is legal; dog fighting isn't. If you want to argue whether dog fighting should be legal or not, that's a topic for a forum other than this one.
 
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Personally I'd rather see a pit fight to the death between Michael Vick and Qyntel Woods but that's just me...

;)
 
kennadog

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Juicy_J said:
Killing deers and other animals is fine, but having dogs fight is such a bad thing.

Damn, what a world of inequality.
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At least the point hunting is to kill as quickly and cleanly as possible. Most hunters do eat what they kill, just as fishermen usually eat the fish they catch. When I was married I ate partridge from time to time. I've also eaten fresh crappie and catfish with hush puppies.

I do eat meat. And for anyone who does, they obviously know that someone bred, raised and slaughtered the animal, in order for people to buy it at the market. So it doesn't much matter if it's a hunter or a slaughter house. The end result is the same. So maybe vegans get the moral high ground here. (Unless you wear animal products, like leather. ;) )

However, the point of dog-fighting is purely to watch two dogs tear each other apart, with the loser dying. All for the entertainment of gambling human beings. So yes, I do think there is a difference between dog-fighting (and bull and roster fighting) and hunting.
 
kennadog

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Juicy_J said:
I'm not arguing that Vick did the wrong thing. If it's illegal, you pay for it.

What I'm saying is it's unfair that it's cool killing wild animals, but it's a crime killing a dog, AFTER GIVING IT A CHANCE TO SURVIVE. I don't see hunters giving the wilderness any second chances.

And just for the record, no, I have not had any dog steak. But what I do know though, is that particular Asian countries eat dogs, and it's absolutely fine with them.
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If some of the hunters I know are an indication, a lot of the wildlife had great opportunities to survive (and did). ;) Almost assuredly more chance than most any losing dog.
 
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Juicy_J said:
What I'm saying is it's unfair that it's cool killing wild animals, but it's a crime killing a dog, AFTER GIVING IT A CHANCE TO SURVIVE. I don't see hunters giving the wilderness any second chances.
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He allegedly tortured and killed dogs that wouldn't fight. Domesticated animals that want to serve their human masters. Giving them a chance to survive? You've got to be kidding me.
 
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kennadog said:
However, the point of dog-fighting is purely to watch two dogs tear each other apart, with the loser dying. All for the entertainment of gambling human beings. So yes, I do think there is a difference between dog-fighting (and bull and roster fighting) and hunting.
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Hey, you know if the dogs were in charge they'd put us through the same... after all, dogs are notorious gamblers....



They're not however. They aren't as smart as us, they aren't able to control their own fate. They aren't able to build beautiful buildings that last for thousands of years... like this one...




We have control over our aggression, and would never manufacture violence for entertainment purposes.

 
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