Post your thoughts: CON/SAC 7/12

#1
Another game we should've won. Another game that goes into OT.

I knew we were done for the moment the game went into OT. Again, the same 5 was playing for most of the fourth and nearly the whole OT. I think we could've used more Haynie tonight as she was playing "controlled". She only played 9 minutes. Ticha was probably very tired at the end (just like the rest of the M's playing the OT). That technical was probably frustration from her. We could've used more of Bek and Kara tonight too. I don't know with you guys but we're not distributing minutes well enough IMO. Good players are good, but when they're tired they start to take poorer shots and are less intense on defense. This has been consistent in ALL of our OT losses.

I am :mad:!
 
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#3
Another game we should've won. Another game that goes into OT.

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We could've used more of Bek and Kara tonight too. I don't know with you guys but we're not distributing minutes well enough IMO. Good players are good, but when they're tired they start to take poorer shots and are less intense on defense. This has been consistent in ALL of our OT losses.

I am :mad:!
Becky wasn't playing because she's nursing a pulled muscle in her calf. She had her shoe and that black thingie off her left leg for the full OT.

I'm having a hard time with the minutes Kara is getting -- they are too few and far between. In the OT, she didn't come in until about a minute left. Overall, her minutes are down, too. I believe either she or Nicole must be on the court all the time, and if they can both be there together, that's even better.

I was glad to see Adrian step it up tonight, because with Becky hurting, the team really needs her to be effective. Also, Scho and Tangie are stepping it up (except for those missed free throws....:mad: )

It was a disappointing game. I thought they could have easily put the Sun away in the first half, but once again the turnovers proved costly.

Take a break, ladies, and let's get back on track!

GO MONARCHS!!!
 
#4
I hate when we lose...especially on games that we should have won. We had folks miss critical free throws down the stretch--especially at the end of regulation, and they were players who do not usually miss free throws at clutch time.

Still, there were many things that I saw that show glimpses of how truly good this team can be. The bigs are getting better "hands", not missing so many inside passes. Ticha did a great job on defense with Katie Douglas, despite what the scoreboard shows. Many of Douglas points came at the line. Adrian had the best game we have seen from her, and Tangie--what a smart player she is. She will develop into a big part of the Monarchs future. She had some great inside passes.

We played this game without our three inside "rocks"--DeMya out for the year; Bekka and Yo banged up and very limited minutes. The mostly new mix of players still have us at exactly the same place we were at this time last year. Lots still to work out, but I still like our chances come playoffs.

Please, though, no more overtime games...
 
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#5
Frustrated in Sac Town

Love the Monarchs, but man is it hard to watch a team you love keep losing games they should win!

My frustration has reached a peak with this latest loss and unfortunately I have to place this loss squarely on the shoulders of Jenny Boucek. I have been flumoxed by her inconsistent player rotations all year--I feel she does not have a solidly defined first and second squad or any sort of regular rotation. I feel that this is not allowing the players to get into the flow of the game and get used to playing with each other as a squad. Many times players are in the game for what seems like just 1-3 minutes stretches. I agree wholeheartedly with the previous comments about playing Kara in particular more. We have All Stars we should be using them.

But more frustrating than anything else for me tonight was the fact that we called our last time out too early at the end of regulation. After the Sun scored (which was bad enough), we had no time to move the ball up the court and get a good shot. Having that time out would have allowed us to advance the ball after having called a set play and we should have gotten a better shot.

I love our players and I love our team. I think we are missing DeMya's energy and need to allow Kara to play more minutes so that Kara can help fill that energy gap.

Anyway, my two cents worth. Go Monarchs!
 
#6
Best suggestion yet...no more OT games. ''What are we 0-3?
With 2 of those at home. All games we should have won.
Not to dwell on the rotation, but I have to agree...not enough Lawson,
huge missed free throws, Turn overs. Some lousy calls or no calls.

Just a lack of killer attitude...we gotta get tough, and learn to close out games...This is a good team, we have to get much better.
Our home court has been invaded...time to take it back!
 
#7
Frustrated!!:mad: I hate to question Coach Jenny yet again, but you have to question why the line up of Williams, Atkinson, Powell, Newton and Ticha played a majority of the fourth. No scoring, no post defense little rebounding. Atkinson had two free throws ready to win the game, and missed both. Then on the other end, Williams once again was out of position and the Sun had an open freeway to the basket to tie the score.

It seems like Boucek was keeping Yo, Brunson and Lwason fresh for the All Star Game. I know that is far fetched, but I could not help feel that. I feel we are going to look back at the end of the season and kick our own behinds for blowing four games that should have been won. 2 in double OT (Los Angeles, Chicago), one in OT (Conneticut), and one that you had a 17 point lead (Phoenix).

Somebody tell me what the Monarchs record when shooting less than 40 percent.
 
#8
Ugly!

Whew, that was tough to watch. Had our foot on their throat in the first half, but couldn't put them down for good.

The NBA TV feed from Conn was entertaining--they were really ragging on the refs with good reason. Some of the calls were really ridiculous--on both sides--but the one towards the end where Douglas plowed into Ticha which caused her to throw the ball out of bounds was one of the worst non-calls I can remember. Truly had an effect on the outcome of the game.

That being said, it should have never been that close! I had brought it up earlier, but I still don't get the substitution patterns. :confused: When you basically only have one scorer (Nicole) on the floor, it really makes it tough.
 
#9
Frustration...

Frustration is an understatement...

I never thought I would say this about a Monarchs team that was anchored by Yolanda Griffith. But Right Now

We are Soft.

We do not attack anything. We slow up when we should be running. We hesitate to shoot when we should be bombing away. And our fundamentals are horrific right now. I know we hang our hat on defense and that is supposively why we struggle offensively.

NEW FLASH...

Our Defense sucks too.

That is the bad News going into the All-Star break.

The good news....

These are all thing that with a change in attitude can be corrected and corrected very quickly. I posted this early this year... and I will state it now.

Nicole needs to take control of this Ball club and become it's undisputed Go-To person. And what I mean by that is that the ball needs to be in her hands for her to create for someone or take a shot. She usually has the mismatch and she needs to want the basketball at winning time. In fact she needs to Demand the basketball. Bekkah is doing her part. Kara is taking the shots, they don't always fall but she is taking them.

I will also say that it does seem like Jen-nay hasn't committed to a consistant rotation. In some ways I like that because it makes things more flexable. In other ways it annoys because the consistancy gets thrown off.

I actaully thought the 2nd unit had a good outing. They seem to be flying to the ball on defense, and they seem to be playing much better together. But yeah, what's up with Kara sitting on the bench in overtime as long as she did. I know Jen-nay wanted defense out there but that unit had played way too long and need a break.

Can we please please please put the ball in the basket and run a decent posession with the clock running out. Can we actaully work on that in practice. Damn Defense right now, work on getting a shot up with less than 10 seconds on the shot clock.

Cause It Does NOT make sense how poorly we execute on offense. It is almost too bad that Jen-nay is coaching the All-Star game cause she really could have used the time off to think about what is going on with this ball club.

We need to get up and stay up on teams. We need to attack, and we need to close out games.
 
#10
Yes, Luv13....totally agree with everything.

I'm tired of 20 passes on each possession.
I'm tired of waiting until there is 1-2 seconds on the shot clock to shoot.
I'm tired of our shooters, ALL shooters, looking to pass when they are open.

The whole freaking league knows what this team does. And they make their adjustments. I don't see that many adjustments made on this team, except on a few of her substitutions. And then the other team readjusts quickly.

Conn has many effective shooters, and I was surprised Sales and Douglas didn't have bigger nights. I admit I chose Whalen for my Fantasy One, because she's aggressive to the hoop and is a good shooter as well. She attacks. Ticha does not.

There were more no-look passes last night, but I don't know that they were that effective. Adrian is getting better, as is La'Tangela. But both still are hesitant. I want Scho and Haynie to take more shots as well. I know we've all been round and round - why does the coaching staff insist on so much passing. Oh yeah, get the offense set, get the easiest shot, make the defense work. Well, the thing is, this system seems to make the shooters not want to shoot for fear of being reprimanded. You can have great defense, except last night, but you still have to have at least one more point than your opponent to win the game.

Don't get me wrong, I've been following this team since the beginning and I love it, but this is nuts. Everyone in my section yells shoot the ball on every possession. I know the person in front of me is almost bald from pulling her out.

Something's gotta give. How about a couple of catch and shoot plays, that might throw other teams off, maybe.......:rolleyes:
 
#11
Inside "ear" view ...

I couldn't make it to this game but my cousin sat in my seats --- he reports "
Had great eye and voice contact with Nicki Sales at the end of
regulation when she fouled a 'narch but wasn't called. Would have led
to throws and a win. She came to the bench looking sheepish and saying
aloud "That was a foul on me.." and I caught her eye and pointed and
shouted foul and she nodded. Nice connection.... Wrong ending." I love this league !!
 
#12


We are Soft.

We do not attack anything. We slow up when we should be running. We hesitate to shoot when we should be bombing away. And our fundamentals are horrific right now. I know we hang our hat on defense and that is supposively why we struggle offensively.

NEW FLASH...

Our Defense sucks too.

I actaully thought the 2nd unit had a good outing. They seem to be flying to the ball on defense, and they seem to be playing much better together.
these things happen when the players are tired. JB had pretty much the same 5 for most of the fourth and the OT. THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME CASE WITH EACH OF OUR OT LOSSES.

Geez, for having the "deepest" bench in the league, we sure don't use them when we NEED to. In the OT, we had no offense and little defense.

The 1-3 minute stints on the floor has gotta end. Players will have no consistency whatsoever when they can't get enough time to "feel" the game.

Verdict: This loss, as was the previous 2 OT losses which we SHOULD'VE won is on the coach. Don't get me started on that timeout.
 
#13
LUV!#fan

Frustration is an understatement...


Nicole needs to take control of this Ball club and become it's undisputed Go-To person. And what I mean by that is that the ball needs to be in her hands for her to create for someone or take a shot. She usually has the mismatch and she needs to want the basketball at winning time. In fact she needs to Demand the basketball. Bekkah is doing her part. Kara is taking the shots, they don't always fall but she is taking them.
LUV13fan--must it always be Nicole's fault? I think she was trying hard to create shots but when she is THE ONLY SHOOTER on the floor, she's gonna get triple teamed like she did last night. We need others to step up and others to be on the floor more.
 
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#14
LUV13fan--must it always be Nicole's fault? I think she was trying hard to create shots but when she is THE ONLY SHOOTER on the floor, she's gonna get triple teamed like she did last night. We need others to step up and others to be on the floor more.
Interesting...


I thought I was complimenting Nicole.

I want the ball in her hands at Winning time. I want her to dominate her player and force the other team to either double team her, or her make the winning shot.
I don't blame her for not having the ball. And Nicole being the only shooter on the floor is a whole nother discussion. I have no idea why that was the case. But I am saying that she needs to go get it. And if necessary Demand it.

Hardly a criticism.

Perhaps I should have phrased what I am saying this way. She is the most versitle player player we have, and with her size and skill she can make alot of positive things happen. Maybe we should empasize getting the ball to her, and allow her to create something in that situation.

This team is actaully unselffish to a fault. So much so that they continually pass on good scoring opportunites. However I can actaully say that Nicole is being alot more aggressive. So now we need her to have the ball in her hands at winning time.

So slow Down


Tap those Breaks just a little bit.
I am not Hatin on Nicole.








 
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#15
Agree...only good things can happen with Nicole & Kara touching the ball.
That is if their agressive, not just shooting jumpers. They are excellent free throw shooters, Ticha's a decent free throw shooter as well....Lets get to that line & inside that paint for some easy points. Then that will keep them honest, having to respect our players (inside/outside) game.
 
#16
Completely agree about Nicole and Kara. They both should be on the floor during any crunch time minutes. They are the only two go to options we have. This is where we miss Walker. Though she can be wild at times, and not very reliable from the free throw line, defenses have to pay attention to her on the post.
 
#17
Ball should be in Nicole's or Kara's hands at crunch time definitely. MORE importantly, they should be on the court.

Top Monarch's FT shooters:

1) Nicole .944
2) Kara .906
3) Haynie .875
4) Ticha .829
5) Chelsea .822
6) Sho-Time .795
7) Adrian .773
 
#18
I couldn't watch the game, but I did look carefully at the play by play summary. It looked like lawson and robinson and atkinson were in a lot during the fourth and OT. And lawson was in pretty much the whole OT.

The way it looks to me, we've just kind of gotten beaten up and people are hurting from point to post. We don't have the scoring power in the post that we used to have, and we are just pretty much running out of post players.

Maybe we need to set our expectations a few notches lower...
 
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#19
Maybe the coaches can put their minds together , come up with some different rotations. Some new offensive sets, that give screens to our shooters & has post players attacking the paint. If someones hot & making things happen, leave them in, untill they give you a signal....coach i'm getting tired. Give players more time together, set a goal to take the 1st or 2nd decent shot, or drive to the basket with no less than 10 sec. on the clock?
I'm no coach, but I did play some. When something didn't work, we tried something else. Just trying to find solutions.
 
#20
longer spots on the court is important. it helps players get rhythm. it's difficult to get rhythm if you're in only 3 minutes at a time.
 
#22
If we were 8-12 instead of 12-8, I might join the chorus that we need to overhaul and change philosophy and try to make things right. But this team can manage to win with the rotations coach has - which are either too random or too predictable. I will join the chorus that the Monarchs simply did not close this game out, as has been their m.o. most if not all of the season.

I also get the feeling they are as perplexed about what happened Thursday night as the fans are- their mantra had been how well they had practiced after coming off the road last week. Coach sounded excited to even have HAD two practices, she had been lamenting that their stretch of games recently had prevented them from practicing because they either had no time or had to give higher priority to giving them days off because this team has been so banged up.

I'm not sure late in the game I had a problem with the shots we were getting, we managed to be effective breaking down their defense and getting the ball inside to either Atkinson or whichever of our post players were in at the time. Those were our scorers in the 4th (plus Penicheiro), our shooters missed all the shots they took in the quarter. In the last two minutes of that game we had 6 FTs and only made 2 of them. It might be as simple as that. Two of the players missing FTs are considered our top FT shooters. LaTangela had been aggressive enough in her time on the floor to get to the FT line and make the ones she had earlier in the game, so I'm not sure I could say I didn't want her on the floor or that I would expect that all of a sudden she wouldn't make any.


The timeout coach took late seemed to be tactical defensively. She took it after Thibault had used his last one to set his play up and she took it after seeing the personnel he wanted to use for that play. The Sun went "small" after taking Dydek and Willingham out, coach I guess decided to go small too and took AW out and used Scho - and made our tallest player out on the floor Powell. Maaaybe, I'd rather she used that time out later to advance the ball. But then again, why? That unit she put in only had to defend the basket for 6 seconds...6 SECONDS and everybody's going home happy and we don't even need a time out. The Sun barely needed 2 seconds to tie the game up. Now we care that we don't have a time out to advance a ball we shouldn't have needed to do anything with but toss in the air in celebration. If Atkinson makes one of the 2 FTs she had leading into Thibault's time out,(or preferrably if we had rebounded her 2nd miss) I don't think we care that coach took one either - CTs 3pt% was more pathetic than ours on Thurs night.

I think Thurs night was what it was and was what it has been in Ms games this season. When we've lost, we've lost ugly and more often than not when we've won we've won ugly. This may be the way it goes the rest of the season. We get more stupid scheduling tricks in the 2nd half to look forward to.

This team needs to get healthy and it needs to figure its stuff out and take care of business in San Antonio rolling out of the break, and perhaps take care of business AT HOME with this next stretch of home games they'll have.
 
#23


Do we really have to be 8-12 before we decide there are problems that have to be addressed?

We have won games ugly... some of which I believe we may not have deserved to win. We have lost games ugly that IMO we should not have lost.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head when you used the term UGLY. This is an UGLY looking ball club. I am not sure if it is battle fatigue, players playing in too long at a stretch or just poor freakin mechanics, But we look UGLY. And we are too Talented and too far along in the season for us to execute ugly basketball.

Again I know we hang our hat on Defense. But at some point the offense has to kick in. And no matter how many ways you turn it, the offense looks downright poor. We have 1 game separating us from 3rd and 4th place, and 2 games from having us out of the play-off. We have yet to beat Phoenix this year and if this holds out they will be the team we will see.

And Ladies and Gentleman lets be real That is a BIG "IF" at the moment.

I was not as much frustrated with the Timeout Jen-nay called more than the result of the play. I believe Tangie could have sealed the deal with 2 timely free throws. In fact that would have been really nice. My issue is and continues to be our inability to get a shot off at the end of games. I would prefer that it not come to that. But right now if someone ties a game under 24 sec, we can guarantee it is overtime. That is problematic, and something we should not wait til we were 3 or 4 games under .500 to consider a problem.

I personally have a problem with out lack of urgency when the game is slipping away to get a shot up. When we got down by 5 and the game was still in reach Here is the Point Guard walking the ball up. Now last game it just happened to be Ticha. (and this is where I usually toss TP under the Bus) But I have seen Kara do it as well. In fact I have see all the ball handlers do it. We need buckets and you are walking the ball up and beating the ball into the ground. We are Down ...we need possessions, get a shot up quickly. This is where I think a change in approach is necessary. Where Jen-nay can impress upon the ball handlers the need to get shots up in a hurry.

And...No, I guess we would not be talking about the lack of game tempo, or who should be on the floor in the waning moment of a ball game, or which line up is more effective if we had pulled the game out. Maybe we would just tolerate the 20 passes before a shot or the shot clock running down and the UTTER Predictability of what we do offensively, if we managed to D-up those 6 secs, and win the ball game.
It doesn't mean that these are not pressing issues that should be addressed. Funny thing is This is something that I have complained about. And most of us here considered these things non-factors. But they are becoming factors.

And we better start addressing them, cause we have no idea how Bekkah is holding up. We are a walking MASH Unit. And if she can't go, enter in Linda Fro-Zina stage right. Who no one thought giving her minutes was necessary.

If we start taking shots earlier in possessions, and when we actually get a stop... attack on the break rather than pull up, the defense will take care of the rest. I can think of at least 6 possessions were we got a turnover and had numbers only to pull up and run our famous 20 Pass Possession.

Like I said before these really aren't big things to overcome, but they need to be overcome. It really is the difference between us being up by 8 and down by 4.

I actually think Jen-nay is a good coach and has a clear idea of what she wants and what she expects out of this ball club. But our execution is horrible. We have the Career assist leader at the Point and 2 of the most dangerous Shooters in the game out on the wings. We have the Greatest offense rebounder in the history of the game and Her protégé.

So somebody please tell me how we have 4 games when we don't even get a shot off at the end of regulation. If that does not trouble Folks then I will see you at the Lottery Party in February.

Cause that is where we will be if it is not fixed.
 
#24
Got it, Luv13fan--we are pretty much on the same page. My point was that if Nicole is the only one looking for her shot, which was pretty much what was happening, she is doomed to failure. Now, if she and Kara, or she and RB are both in there, that's another story. She can create and dish to someone who can knock it down.

So, we agree--hurray!

But after seeing the All Star game and seeing Diana and Lauren sitting at towards the end of the game made me wonder if this is just something pathalogical about Jennie? ;)
 
#25
Didn't say we had to be 8-12 before we addressed issues which I believe have been or will soon be addressed. I am more concerned about the calls for changes in overall philosophy.

If someone could convince me that our offensive philosophy as written
on tablets and brought down from on high by this coaching staff was to have 20 pass possession, I might believe that’s our philosophy. It aint. If we had personnel who could create shots I might believe that it’s a philosophy of this offense. We don’t. And by create I mean get the ball in their hands and maneuver their way on the floor to get a GOOD (not great, but also not mediocre or not a prayer) shot off under duress. We saw this same stuff under the Whiz regime and this is apparently a new offense. So what’s the common denominator here? The players who have shots don’t squeeze the trigger when they should – they have not grasped the concept of the fine line between making the extra pass to get a higher percentage shot and making an extra pass because you think you have to or perhaps because you don’t want the shot everybody thinks is better than they one they just had available to them before they gave the ball up. Of course that needs to be addressed, but changing beyond that, I don’t know that I buy that. We’re back complaining about the same things we complained about last year, lack of offensive rhythm, players not taking shots when they should…etc. They will work this out because this team can play prettier basketball for stretches, even when they are running personnel in and out (either randomly or predictably) they just fail to consistently properly make adjustments when the defenses take away what they’ve exploited to play said pretty basketball. If they don’t work it out? Well, then they need different personnel because this is a problem beyond the constructs of an offensive scheme and one that won’t be fixed with practices.

Coach said something very early in this season which I think is continuing to play out here and until the mindset of her players changes (or the personnel changes) we’re going to be stuck with this…what they are supposed to do off the options they have in this offense needs to become instinctual. Their lack of ability to practice and their inability to stay right on the defensive side of the ball sucks time away. She also said something a couple of weeks ago on Monarchs Talk, and I think PR mentioned it in another thread, we need to accept the offense as it is, its going to look like this because the defensive side of the ball demands so much out of the players. I bought that, I think I tossed that out last year as a reason why Nicole’s offensive game had changed so much between 05 and 06. But coach went on to say something I DO have a hard time buying – that the personnel changes make it hard for the combos to get used to one another. We are now 20 games into the season, they better get some name tags if they don’t know each other by now on the floor.

How do you coach a sense of urgency? You’re sitting in a huddle and know time and score. Hell, you can look at a clock and know time and score. I agree, all of our ball handlers do it. This team says it wants to run, I haven’t seen them run consistently in years.

The race in the west has been reduced to a battle against attrition. Whichever 4 teams can manage to play consistent basketball in the 2nd half despite key injuries and fatigue are your playoff teams. Nobody’s running away from Sacramento despite its penchant for ugly basketball and wrapping games up in a bow and handing them to Phx, LA, Chi, CT and whomever else we should have beaten. I’m not ready to make plans for a lottery party, they’ve made uglier runs to get a playoff spot. Ask me two weeks from now my view may change.
 
#26
Wow!! This game must have touched a nerve. It is four days later and it is still being discussed. I know it was pretty painful sitting there watching it. I came home exhausted, and wondering just how this season will play out.

As far as the offense. Boucek said it with her own words on Monarchs Talk, I think with Jason and Scott marsh, that this offense for the most part is "What you see is what you get". Because of the personnel and the attention to the defense, the offense will be "choppy". TO HADES WITH THAT!!! I do not accept that at all. This is all about player execution, not design, philosophy, and system.

I believe if the team in the fourth quarter can.....

1. Consistently hit their outside shots (HELLO KARA and NICOLE).
2. Get something, anything offensively from Yolanda in the post (Bekkah is doing her thing) so that she can spread the offense
3. AND STOP TURNING THE DAG-GONE BALL OVER in quarters 1 through 3.....

....maybe that will translate into 5-7 more points per game.
 
#27

Fair enough MBF.

I am just kinda of tired of the excuses. I am not saying you are making them, but there always seems to be an excuse.

And perhaps you are correct, that these things happened under Whiz. And somehow a change of offense hasn't corrected it. I am utterly dissatisfied with the "The Defense demands so much so the offense suffers" arguement being put out there.

Demand a little less of the defense and put something into the offense.

We may be to the point were a personal change is necessary. But who? Kara? Nicole? Sho? Ticha? Chelsea? Who do we change to correct this? And you do ask a good question in "How do you coach urgency."

My first thought would be that Jen-Nay do the same thing that 3/4 of the arena did when we got down by 5 and we were walking the ball up.

Yell GO!!!!! Get a Shot up!!!

So everyone on the court knows this is not a passing drill. I was sitting behind the bench this past game and I didn't see that.
Let everyone on the bench know this is what we are doing. So if someone subs in they know this.
Discuss it in practice.
Discuss that we have to work on getting ball up the floor.

And while the team cannot get a full solid practice in when they are on the road, they usually get a shootaround in. Play one of those shooting games where the first team to 18 points wins. And the loser has to run. Or they have to carry the balls in, or something. There are ways to work on this stuff. When I saw the shooting drill Evil Bill had the East Doing, I thought to myself, that is a perfect drill for the M's.

This is the 3rd time I will say it. Alot of our problems are not insurmoundable. They really do not require a block buster trade, but they do require some work. Our team puts in alot of effort. It's not that we don't work hard, we just sometimes really don't work that smart. Jen-nay is a very bright and astute coach. This stuff SHOULD not continue to happen.

And when you look at this thread, we have all identified something. Nothing that can't be fixed. But none that can't be ignored or deprioritized either. I think that is the nerve that has been touched off in this thread. Because any one of the things that have been addressed here, if they were done we would probably have won at least 3 more games.

I do believe that this ship can be righted. I just would hate to look back at this point of the season and be kicking ourselves cause we let 4 very winable games get away from us.

 
#28
A nerve's been touched for sure because this has happened far too many times.

I agree with PR, this can not be "the defense demands too much on the players...yada yada yada...and kills the offense".

I remember a better offense we used to run that gino auriemma credited the monarchs during the 2005 run: that was the "GET A SHOT UP AND REBOUND LIKE CRAZY OFFENSE". I think that was much better than our "20-PASS OFFENSE". In fact, we might as well call it the "20-pee OFFENSE" since it absolutely stinks.

And yes, that "walk the ball up the court when we're behind in the dying minutes" has got to change. I mean, Ticha and Kara should understand this since they are vets and are the ones running the show during the final minutes anyway.

The one thing I am concerned with is the "what you see is what you get....the offense is like this because of the defense" statement, that strikes me as accepting things the way they are when in fact, I'm quite sure that the WHITE LINE DEFENSE and a "DECENT" offense are NOT mutually exclusive.

On the other hand, if we get to the lottery, maybe we'll luck out and get Candace Parker. :)
 
#29
I was tempted to respond in the Mid Season Analysis thread, since that is where it really belongs, but this thread just won't DIE!

First off, the overtime losses: Why wouldn't the team dribble out most of the clock? The point is to take the final shot to win. We haven't been in a hole where we were trying to make a shot to tie and SEND it to overtime. We have been protecting leads of two or three points and trying to prevent the other team from scoring! The problem has been the DEFENSE. Specifically, if we are talking about CT, our problem was giving Whalen the red carpet to the basket and allowing her to tie the game to send it to OT. It was the lack of defensive rotation on that last play that cost us the game. We were NOT trying to tie the game. It would be stupid, IMO, to take an early shot in that situation. Now if we were behind, that's a different story.

Secondly, we ARE a defense-first team. That is WHY we have a banner hanging in Arco. We didn't win a championship because we had great offense. Our players were (mostly) acquired with defensive potential in mind. I see the same complaints from the last couple seasons being repeated here, that the offense sucks. I don't think that is going to change much. As long as the defense is struggling, we can probably expect to see an ugly offense. They aren't going to scrap the emphasis on defense in order to make the offense pretty, it just isn't going to happen. We are a system team. We beat teams by shutting down everything they want to do. And since the defense happens to be struggling right now, I'm guessing that's the priority. Because when our defense works like it's supposed to? We win. If the defense is working and the offense is pretty? Added bonus (see: 06 Houston series; 06 LA series).

I think our offense is a little better actually. They are running plays out there designed to get shots for Kara and Nicole. The problem is that they aren't making them. Hopefully, Kara isn't sitting in this slump for very long. But overall, while it's still frustrating to see them struggle, I wouldn't be going as far as to say they need to practice fundamentals or spending that precious practice time worrying about shooting when they can't stop layups. Cause the reality is we are built to defend, no matter how much time we spend on offense we aren't going to be Phoenix. And if the defense doesn't get better, we are in trouble.

It reminds me of the Kings in some respects. That team, in the good years, was built to score. They weren't built to be a defensive machine. But when that offense was working the way it was supposed to, it didn't matter. That didn't stop the fans from wanting to see some defense. The problem was the personnel wasn't made up of athletic defenders. It wouldn't have mattered if they spent weeks emphasizing defense, it wasn't gonna turn Mike Bibby into The Glove. They could outscore the other teams, that was their strength. We are the exact opposite. We are built to defend. We sacrifice everything to have great defense. And for the defense to work, everyone has to be on the same page. Which requires a lot of practice. I think a big part of our consistency problem has to do with injuries. They can't practice like they want to because everyone is banged up, and without the practice the defense suffers. And without the defense, Whalen gets the red carpet and ties the game.

Can the offense be better? Hell yeah it can, and it should. It is frustrating as hell to watch them take shots with under 5 seconds on the shot clock all the time. Yelling at the players to shoot isn't the solution. They are actually shooting the ball. And they are missing them, even our so-called shooters. And the turnovers are another issue entirely that won't go away for some reason. There really is no excuse for all the turnovers, that should have stopped after the first couple games.

But the defense is where it's at, that isn't going to change. Nor should they even try to. When the system is working, we can beat anyone. But I don't think we have really seen that cohesion on the defensive end like we did in 2005. In 05 there is NO WAY we let Sue Bird and Lindsay Whalen score 21 and 22 on us. And I think that's our real concern... along with possibly being without Brunson in our already depleted post rotation. But if we can get healthy and work out the kinks in our defensive rotations by playoff time, I think we're alright. We weren't in first place last year heading into the playoffs. We also had a losing record against Houston and hadn't beat LA at all. That didn't stop us from sweeping them both from the playoffs. We just need to get there (and get healthy!).
 
#30
Secondly, we ARE a defense-first team. That is WHY we have a banner hanging in Arco. We didn't win a championship because we had great offense. Our players were (mostly) acquired with defensive potential in mind. I see the same complaints from the last couple seasons being repeated here, that the offense sucks. I don't think that is going to change much. As long as the defense is struggling, we can probably expect to see an ugly offense. They aren't going to scrap the emphasis on defense in order to make the offense pretty, it just isn't going to happen. We are a system team. We beat teams by shutting down everything they want to do. And since the defense happens to be struggling right now, I'm guessing that's the priority. Because when our defense works like it's supposed to? We win. If the defense is working and the offense is pretty? Added bonus (see: 06 Houston series; 06 LA series).
I do agree with this, but the league's offense has gotten so much better, it is a concern. Two years ago, when we won, there weren't any Phoenix, Conneticut, Detroit, Seattle, San Antonio score 90, 100, even 110 points per game:eek: And it is those teams that seem to give the Monarchs fits!!!! Defensively, we can't stop those teams perimeter players (Pondexter, Taurasi, Nolan, Whalen, Sales) from scoring from the perimeter, and offensively we just can not keep up. Some thing is going to have to change, one way or the other. Either shut down their best players, or score easier.