Chinese team does poorly against USA - U19

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dime dropper said:
Nope, he's 19. Although some people here insist he's 22 for no reason other than the fact that China doesn't keep accurate Birth Certs.
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You assume. Since their birth certificate records are not the best, it's what we have to go on. Some think he really is older, but for now it is impossible to say.
 
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BMiller52 said:
Sounds like Yi isn't everything he's been made out to be... guy could only score 4 points in 3 quarters against legit players. He didn't start scoring until garbagetime and team USA brought out the scrubs.

This Sun Yue guy couldn't even stop a 5'6'' PG.
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It was one game and he hadn't even been practicing with the team.
 
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Ryle said:
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It was one game and he hadn't even been practicing with the team.
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That being the obvious observation -- this reminds me a bit of the stupid people looking for wways to discredit LeBron before he hit the league. An overreaction to the hype.

As an aside, arriving back from America to suddenly join the team, against college stars, and despite the slow start, he did end up with 15pts 8rebs in 23min.

As for China losing overall...well gee, that was a shicker,
 
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Bricklayer said:
That being the obvious observation -- this reminds me a bit of the stupid people looking for wways to discredit LeBron before he hit the league. An overreaction to the hype.

As an aside, arriving back from America to suddenly join the team, against college stars, and despite the slow start, he did end up with 15pts 8rebs in 23min.

As for China losing overall...well gee, that was a shicker,
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He didn't get most of his points until garbagetime. Against the actual competition he only had 4 points.
 
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BMiller52 said:
He didn't get most of his points until garbagetime. Against the actual competition he only had 4 points.
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a) its a 19 year old All-Star team -- how much fall off from starter to "garbagetime" is there really?

b) the guy plays 23 min -- how long were those "garbateime" minutes? 10 min? So the complaint would be that the guy plays his first competitive game in months, hops off a plane with a team he has not practiced nro played with and apparently just rejoined two days ago, then steps on the floor and fails to dominate in his first 12 minutes of action since the CBA Finals?
 
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Bottom line is he should be able to score on teenagers. These guys haven't been working out in the gym, they haven't done any of that. If he can't score on teenagers what makes you think he'll be able to score on NBA players?

These were FIBA rules. These US kids have never played under those rules before. These are the same rules he's used for his whole life. Same teammates he played with last year at the world championship thing minus Yao, so it's not like there's no chemistry between the players(which is how you've portrayed the situation). He has supposedly been working out and staying in shape so that shouldn't be it. The bottom line is this guy has been doing great against guys in China who are much slower or much smaller then he is. Now when he plays against some competition that is similar physically he can't score on them.
 
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Nice job of assuming he played the whole 4th quarter and bearly played the the rest of the game:rolleyes: . It's probable he didn't play the whole 4th quarter. If you want to say 15 minutes, that's fine. But the points is he was able to score on guys like Deon Thompson and David Lighty but when the real competition was playing(Arthur, Green, Jordan) he couldn't score on them.
 
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BMiller52 said:
Nice job of assuming he played the whole 4th quarter and bearly played the the rest of the game:rolleyes: . It's probable he didn't play the whole 4th quarter. If you want to say 15 minutes, that's fine. But the points is he was able to score on guys like Deon Thompson and David Lighty but when the real competition was playing(Arthur, Green, Jordan) he couldn't score on them.
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This is approaching the point of silliness. THREE MONTH LAYOFF. RUST. Not so very hard to understand, unless you come in with an agenda.

here is the box score BTW:

http://usabasketball.com/men/2007/07_mu19_exhbox1.html

turns out I guess that all of these 19 year old kids are much betetr than an ex-NBAer like Wang Zhi Zhi too.. And that Darrel Arthur (6pt 1reb) Greene (6pt 4reb) and Jordan (7pt 2reb) trio was indeed incredibly fearsome and dominated that guy who went for 15pts 8rebs (game high BTW) 3blks (game hihg again btw). Guess we should probably write them off too after this ONE EXHIBITION GAME. Hell, at least they had practiced together.
 
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BMiller52 said:
Turns out Yi played most of the game and Arthur had just as many blocks and made shots in less minutes.:D
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Did anyone actually see the game? He did shoot 12 FTs, so it goes to figure they were focusing their defense on him. Anyhow, small sample size (to say the least.) Not sure I understand the point in insinuating Yi will fail as a pro because of one game in which he did not "dominate", but instead just had the best all around game of anyone else on the floor. But, whatever.
 
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HighFlyingMonkey said:
Arthur is a beast. I wish he had come out this year instead of J.Wright. He would have been available at 10, or might have pushed a guy like Noah or B. Wright to us.
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Yeah I love Arthur's game. I think the guy is going to be a superstar.

Anyway, Brick: You brought up Yi not playing an actual game for 3 months but I bet these kids haven't played much in the last 3 months either. They were also playing the Euro game with the triangular paint area, and this was their 1st time doing that. Yi's played that way his whole life. Not to mention the fact he's been working on his game and doing workouts for the last 3 months so there shouldn't be too much rust. These are the same teammates he played with last year during the World Championships, so it's not like he has no idea how the guys on his team play. It's not like he has no idea what the coach's game plan was. Am I saying he will suck? Not really, but I am saying MAYBE JUST MAYBE the guy has been overhyped.
 
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BMiller52 said:
Am I saying he will suck? Not really, but I am saying MAYBE JUST MAYBE the guy has been overhyped.
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Most of these guys have been overhyped. But, to all the points you made about Yi, all I can say is... this was just one game! But, no, I wasn't impressed by his play in this ONE game. And, susprisingly, I was impressed by Spencer Hawes.
 
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To clear some points, the Chinese team is not an U-19 team. Yi's official age is 22 anyway, although it is speculated that he might be even older than that.
 
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karesk said:
To clear some points, the Chinese team is not an U-19 team. Yi's official age is 22 anyway, although it is speculated that he might be even older than that.
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OK, if you are going to keep spreading an "official" age for him, please back it up. Just saying it doesn't make it true, no matter how badly you want it to.... :rolleyes:
 
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Here is a link to a site that seems to collect and present some of the data concerning Yi's uncertain "official" age:
http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2007/06/yi-jianlians-age-nba-employment-and.html

Here is a section of that article (which seems to me to be pretty well written):

"Questions surround Yi's correct birthdate, his official passport in China has him listed as being born on October 27, 1987, but it has been rumored that his date of birth may have been intentionally falsified so to be eligible in junior competitions. The estimates of his birthday are between 1984 to 1987.

In 2004, he was listed as being born in 1984 in China's Four Nation Tournament, although authorities said it was only a "typo".

A Houston Chronicle article reported that Yi told Shane Battier he was 24 in an exhibition game before the 2006 FIBA World Championship [which occurred in August, before his October birthday]. However, Yi later denied the allegations."
 
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Bricklayer said:
Because again obviously those first 12 minutes after a long layoff tell you everything you need to know. :rolleyes:
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So what about the players that get 15pts 7reb in the first 12 min. Does that mean they will be getting 40pts 20reb in a full game when they aren't rusty?

Brick I have never seen you defend a player like you are Yi. I am not sure if you want this to be the guy you ruin you rep as a knowledgable basketball man on.
 
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Entity said:
So what about the players that get 15pts 7reb in the first 12 min. Does that mean they will be getting 40pts 20reb in a full game when they aren't rusty?

Brick I have never seen you defend a player like you are Yi. I am not sure if you want this to be the guy you ruin you rep as a knowledgable basketball man on.
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I thought he meant that the first 12min cannot be use to base anything on other than its the first 12 min of the game.

I'm not to fond of Yi but how is this going to ruined his rep? Yi will be a bust? Brick just stating the obvious that Yi has not been well prepared and its one game and overall Yi did OK. Well atleast that's what I thought he was stating. Maybe I'm wrong.


To judge base on one game, like most suggested, is silly.
 
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Warhawk said:
OK, if you are going to keep spreading an "official" age for him, please back it up. Just saying it doesn't make it true, no matter how badly you want it to.... :rolleyes:
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Both nbadraft.net and draftexpress have him as 22 years old. I also checked nba.com now and they have a different birthdate for him, so I guess if nba.com did not make a mistake his official age is 19, though I don't understand how the other two sites use a different date. Anyway, my main point was Chinese team was not an U-19 team, and I don't have any agenda about Yi's age as you claim it to be.
 
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karesk said:
Both nbadraft.net and draftexpress have him as 22 years old. I also checked nba.com now and they have a different birthdate for him, so I guess if nba.com did not make a mistake his official age is 19, though I don't understand how the other two sites use a different date. Anyway, my main point was Chinese team was not an U-19 team, and I don't have any agenda about Yi's age as you claim it to be.
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From a few posts earlier:

Yi's official age is 22 anyway
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Well, make up your mind, and please quit giving an "official" age since you waver on it yourself.
 
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Warhawk said:
From a few posts earlier:



Well, make up your mind, and please quit giving an "official" age since you waver on it yourself.
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I thought that his "official" age was 22 since major draft sites use 1984 as his birthdate. After seeing your post I checked nba.com and saw that he is listed as 19. So, yes, his "official" age is 19 and I made a mistake. Anyway, only point of my original post was to give info, which I believed at the time to be true. Your accusations about me spreading false rumors, even after admitting my mistake and explaining how it happened, is quite tasteless.
 
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karesk said:
I thought that his "official" age was 22 since major draft sites use 1984 as his birthdate. After seeing your post I checked nba.com and saw that he is listed as 19. So, yes, his "official" age is 19 and I made a mistake. Anyway, only point of my original post was to give info, which I believed at the time to be true. Your accusations about me spreading false rumors, even after admitting my mistake and explaining how it happened, is quite tasteless.
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Whatever. I never said that the age you gave was wrong, I just said the blanket "official" age statement you made didn't jive with what the media had been reporting. If you want to take that as a tasteless "accusation", I can't help you with that one.

What I am saying is that coming out with an "official" whatever when nobody really knows is more annoying than helpful. If you are going to make statements like that, be prepared to back them up.
 
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