Aging Cal Expo cries out for modernization

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Thanks. I really do have very little else to add on this one though. And certainly VF nailed the major issue in all of this - political leadership. More than a little ironic that a state capital can't find anyone to fit the bill.
Well, I do ask that you do your best to add into the topic when you have the chance. As you can see from my avatar, it is something that I would love to see to come true.

There is indeed a void of political leadership on the issue. Add to that, a local newspaper that does everything it can to make it a rich vs. poor issue and the Maloofs themselves do not seem to share our passion of central city development.

I just see the vast amount of unused land in downtown sac and dream of what could be.....

I have serious doubts that it will ever happen, but that will not keep me from dreaming.
 

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Well, I do ask that you do your best to add into the topic when you have the chance. As you can see from my avatar, it is something that I would love to see to come true.

There is indeed a void of political leadership on the issue. Add to that, a local newspaper that does everything it can to make it a rich vs. poor issue and the Maloofs themselves do not seem to share our passion of central city development.

I just see the vast amount of unused land in downtown sac and dream of what could be.....

I have serious doubts that it will ever happen, but that will not keep me from dreaming.
I think there are a number of people who don't share your passion of "central city development," kupman, partially because they've watched over the decades as first the K Street Mall and then other projects simply failed to do anything to reverse the decline of downtown Sacramento.

It's really going to take a very strong concerted effort on the part of city leaders to really get things off the drawing board. And there's absolutely no reason for the Maloofs to have to buy into it.

They do a LOT for Sacramento. They shouldn't have to fix all the problems.
 
#33
I think there are a number of people who don't share your passion of "central city development," kupman, partially because they've watched over the decades as first the K Street Mall and then other projects simply failed to do anything to reverse the decline of downtown Sacramento.
There are many who do not share my and pdx's passion for central development. It has been my experience in talking with others about this topic that those who oppose it often have not spent much time in places where central city development has worked. I often hear about the past failures of Sactown and the lack of central development in places like LA.

On the other hand, people that have seen it work elsewhere become very excited about it. It sounds like pdx's experience in Portland is a prime example. I have seen it work firsthand in several other cities.

Downtown will continue to progress as more and more people live downtown which appears to be a very strong possibility over the next 5-10 years. It would be nice if a major entertainment district could be a part of that growth. I do not expect the Maloofs to build it (if they pay for most of it, they have ever right to decide where to put it).

I expect the citizens of Sactown to build it with strong political leadership and strong support from the local newspaper (o.k., that is the dreaming part:)).
 

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There are many who do not share my and pdx's passion for central development. It has been my experience in talking with others about this topic that those who oppose it often have not spent much time in places where central city development has worked. I often hear about the past failures of Sactown and the lack of central development in places like LA.
Granted I haven't been in places where it's been done successfully.

On the other hand, people that have seen it work elsewhere become very excited about it. It sounds like pdx's experience in Portland is a prime example. I have seen it work firsthand in several other cities.
The problem may well be that long-time Sacramento residents know how futile it has been over three decades to get much done and so they've simply become embittered.

Downtown will continue to progress as more and more people live downtown which appears to be a very strong possibility over the next 5-10 years. It would be nice if a major entertainment district could be a part of that growth. I do not expect the Maloofs to build it (if they pay for most of it, they have ever right to decide where to put it).
The talking heads have been prattling on about downtown development since the K Street Mall first came to be some 40 years ago (I might be off a few years). It just doesn't seem like elected officials really want to do anything to get the job done, no matter how they preach it to the voters.

I expect the citizens of Sactown to build it with strong political leadership and strong support from the local newspaper (o.k., that is the dreaming part:)).
Okay, that last part really made me laugh out loud.

;)
 
#35
There appears to be more enlightened and open-minded political leadership in fast growing West Sacramento (Yolo County) than in the capital city with its "old boy"/"old girl" dinosaur double bureaucracy of Sac city/Sac county.

I bring up West Sac only because over the past 5 years or so they seem to be gung-ho on bringing more smartly planned commercial and residential development without a lot of hassle. It appears to me West Sacramento might actually use the Tower Bridge redevelopment just finishing up to go ahead and develop their waterfront side of the river in a way that Sac and Old Sac appears hopeless to make happen. Sac has had their master plan for waterfront development for over 20 years!

I always thought that a new arena and or new stadium plan should strongly consider Yolo (or Placer, El Dorado, etc.) since it's obvious unless the pathetic pols in Sac die off or get rejected by voters we're endlessly screwed!
 

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I agree about West Sacramento. I would love to see the riverfront developed in my lifetime - and I don't think it's gonna happen on the "Old Sacramento" side although it could be great. A project similar to what San Antonio did could work nicely but it would take a commitment of both the public and private sectors to make it work. It might well happen much sooner on the "other side" of the river.
 
#37
I agree about West Sacramento. I would love to see the riverfront developed in my lifetime - and I don't think it's gonna happen on the "Old Sacramento" side although it could be great. A project similar to what San Antonio did could work nicely but it would take a commitment of both the public and private sectors to make it work. It might well happen much sooner on the "other side" of the river.

BTW, the entire Raley Field privately financed $29 million project took only a little over one year from West Sac approval to E.I.R. to breaking ground and completion. The actually construction was done in 8 mos. Like I said, pathetic snail pace Sac county should not be the be all end all for a new arena project.
 
#39
a baseball stadium and a full arena are completely different, it would take a lot more than 8 months to build. for real!!!!
Of course. I'm just pointing out how West Sac (Yolo County) got quickly on the ball and in just a few months broke ground with all the approval process, funding, E.I.R., etc.
 
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a baseball stadium and a full arena are completely different, it would take a lot more than 8 months to build. for real!!!!
Of course. I'm just pointing out how West Sac (Yolo County) got quickly on the ball and in just a few months broke ground with all the approval process, funding, E.I.R., etc.
 

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Of course. I'm just pointing out how West Sac (Yolo County) got quickly on the ball and in just a few months broke ground with all the approval process, funding, E.I.R., etc.
I think what RIP might not understand is the whole process involved. The fact Yolo County/West Sacramento actually worked in harmony to accomplish something quickly is a lot bigger than I think I lot of people realize, especially if they live in Sacramento where it takes forever for the most minor project to get approval if both the city council and the board of supervisors have to agree.
 

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Report: If new arena is built, it could draw minors hockey
By Andrew McIntosh/Sacbee
Thursday, June 21, 2007
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/233788.html

Sacramento would be an attractive market for a professional minor-league hockey team, and the region could support a club in a new 6,000- to 9,000-seat arena, according to a newly disclosed study prepared for Cal Expo in 2005.

The capital region's growing population and solid household incomes give its 1.75 million residents extra cash for sports and entertainment tickets, and a minor-league hockey team could anchor a mid-sized arena, the KPMG consulting group study found.

A Sacramento team in the ECHL's Pacific Division would join rival teams in Stockton, Fresno, Bakersfield, Las Vegas and possibly a Reno-based team that hopes to play in a new arena in 2008-09, the report said.

"Sacramento would be an attractive market for the ECHL," the report concluded after a study of the population and financial demographics of the cities that are home to the 25 "AA" league teams in the United States and Canada. "In addition, representatives of the ECHL indicated that Sacramento would be an attractive market if a suitable venue was available."

The Bee obtained the KPMG report from Cal Expo under the state Public Records Act.

Though no Sacramento hockey team is imminent, ECHL Commissioner Brian McKenna said three groups of investors have approached the league in recent years to discuss a Sacramento team.

McKenna said the first involved local investors, and two others involved investors from outside the Sacramento region. He declined to name the parties.

"Sacramento supports River Cats baseball well in the summer," Mckenna said. "We think that the city could support a hockey team in winter, too, with the right facility. We're bullish."

"The missing ingredient is an arena. Arco (Arena) is not a suitable venue," McKenna said.

Sacramento hockey team owners would have to pay $2 million to join the ECHL, the KPMG report says.

Who might be interested?

State documents show KPMG first delivered the Cal Expo arena feasibility report to Nick Nicora, a California-based vice president for Ovations, a company that provides food services and concessions to sports arenas, stadiums, fairs and convention centers.

Ovations provides food services at Cal Expo but is also part of the Comcast group of companies.

Comcast-Spectacor, another affiliate, owns the Philadelphia Flyers of the NHL and the Philadelphia Phantoms, the Flyers' American Hockey League affiliate.

Comcast doesn't own an ECHL team, but its Ovations affiliate manages food concessions at several arenas where ECHL teams play -- such as the Sovereign Bank Arena, the home of the Trenton Devils in New Jersey -- and it knows the ECHL well, spokesman Ike Richmond said.

Comcast-Spectacor President Peter Luukko said through a spokesman that the Flyers might be interested in an ECHL affiliation in Sacramento. "But it probably makes more sense for a West Coast team," Luukko added.

The ECHL grants member teams such as the Stockton Thunder exclusive territory rights for a 50-mile radius.

A new arena on Cal Expo lands or anywhere east of the sprawling state fair property would put a Sacramento team just outside that protected area -- 52 miles.


Having rival hockey teams in Sacramento and Stockton might be positive for both teams, the KPMG report suggested.

"ECHL representatives did indicate that having two of its teams within close proximity could potentially have a positive impact on both franchises through the creation of a rivalry," it stated.
 
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Interesting article but it sounds like the study was done totally independent of anything that might take place with the Kings and the aging Arco Arena.
 
#44
I'm not at all convinced that Sacramento can support two arenas. They'll compete against each other for other events. I agree that this must be looking at an arena in the absence of Arco or a replacement.