The Future of the Man Known as Ron Ron

Ron Artest Future as a Sacramento King

  • Hold On to Artest, He is too valuable, make changes around him

    Votes: 39 51.3%

  • Cut Artest Loose now, he is becoming a distraction

    Votes: 37 48.7%
  • Total voters
    76
Purple Reign

Purple Reign

Starter
#1
#1
It was reported tonight on Fox 40 Sports that Artest asked out of tonight's game 45 min before game time. Mods, I know this is being discussed in the Game Thread, hear me out please.

Let's talk about what we do know about Ron.

1. When things get tough, Ron Artest becomes a distraction. Detroit in 2004, camera mugging in MSG in 2003, rap album absence in 2004.

2. Artest does not foster chemestry. Ask Jermaine O'Neal, Donnie Walsh, Larry Bird. And if you had a secret behind closed door meeting with Petrie, he probably would tell you the same thing.

3. Artest is moody. Not like Chris Webber moody, but a menacing moody that intimidates, borderline school yard bully moody.

4. Artest and Bibby are not on the same page. I don't give a Sam Hill how they try to spin it. THERE IS NO CHEMISTRY THERE

5. RON ARTEST IS THE GREATEST DEFENDER IN SACRAMENTO HISTORY!!!

Knowing that, do you.....

1. Hang with Ron believing that winning will cure what is ailing him knowing that if the team continues to lose, ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOSE.

2.Or do you cut your losses and get something for him now, while his value is still high, but realizing you will be dealing your best defender that could make a rival WC team much better.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#3
#3
3. Do you wait just a bit before starting these types of threads?

We don't know what happened to cause Artest to pull out of tonight's game...yet. It's real easy for us, as the uninformed fans, to jump right off assumption cliff straight into conclusion gulch. I know, I'm guilty of it too...

But it's unfair to all concerned to make these kinds of posts, IMHO, until/unless we have a little more to go on than what we currently have (which is about as close to nothing as you can get).
 
Roman

Roman

Bench
#5
#5
I trade him, but not for whatever happened tonight.

I've not liked what he's done in the past. I've not liked him going to the media and "bashing" players in covert ways. I don't like his me-first attitude and constant reference to him and Kobe Bryant.

I trade him mainly for those reasons and the fact that I don't think he wants to be here. I don't think when it comes renewal time that Ron will come back. I don't think he ever wanted to be here and I don't think that's changed.
 
ForlornKing

ForlornKing

Starter
#6
#6
Roman said:
I trade him, but not for whatever happened tonight.

I've not liked what he's done in the past. I've not liked him going to the media and "bashing" players in covert ways. I don't like his me-first attitude and constant reference to him and Kobe Bryant.

I trade him mainly for those reasons and the fact that I don't think he wants to be here. I don't think when it comes renewal time that Ron will come back. I don't think he ever wanted to be here and I don't think that's changed.
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I agree.

He just needs to be traded ASAP, before he says anything in the media, so nothing can lower his value.
 
Purple Reign

Purple Reign

Starter
#7
#7
VF21 said:
We don't know what happened to cause Artest to pull out of tonight's game...yet. It's real easy for us, as the uninformed fans, to jump right off assumption cliff straight into conclusion gulch. I know, I'm guilty of it too...

But it's unfair to all concerned to make these kinds of posts, IMHO, until/unless we have a little more to go on than what we currently have (which is about as close to nothing as you can get).
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Respectfully disagree. I have heard all i need to know when I hear that he is not a game time decision, yet he pulls himself out at game time? Warm up, go get dress, sit your asprin on the bench. I bet not hear that he was at some ATM:D

I don't want to micromanage but you don't get much of the benefit of the doubt when I hear:

"I don't get enough shots"

When I see bad body language. And when all these ailments begin to creep up that you played through last season and is now keeping you out when you are losing and you can never know if he is going to be in the lineup or not.

I say make changes around him, but I would be lying if I said I was not concerned.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#10
#10
SacKings384 said:
What exactly has Artest done besides play his *** off on the court and be a solid citizen off of it?
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That's my point exactly. As far as we know FOR SURE, he hasn't done anything wrong - except maybe say the wrong thing to the wrong reporter at the wrong time.

People are jumping to conclusions because he's Ron Artest. They're assuming there are chemistry issues; they're assuming he's not happy; they're assuming a lot of things.

The part I find most problematic is the poll itself. There isn't even an option to pick something that says you'd like to wait and get a little more accurate picture before you jump off that bridge...
 
B

BMiller52

All-Star
#11
#11
I'd give it a bit more time so I'm not voting in this poll.

And it sucks to see Kings fans turning on players because he missed one game where he said he had sore knees, and I got this off of RGM so I don't know if it's true but:

RON ARTEST said:
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well your speculation can end now. Ron was just on the radio and said he watched the game in the back, he also said he thinks martin can be a franchise player and he thinks kevin is the best player on the team. He went on to say he has been having sore knees for two weeks now and has been complaining about this pain in practice. He said he missed the game in dallas for the same reason. Then he said he isnt frustrated at all because the team was worse off when he first got here and that they will get it together.
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Truth is you don't know if he really had sore knees. If he did then that's bad, if he didn't then that's bad too. But in reality only Ron knows how sore his knees are and if he really can't play then he can't play. Wouldn't you hate to jump the gun on something like this? If he is telling the truth?
 
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ycfan93

Prospect
#14
#14
You have to remember this is the same guy that volunteered to play in the summer league. He wants to play no matter what. I don't think you can jump to conclusions on him sitting out until you find out if it was legit or not. But one thing I noticed on the telecast they said it was because of sore knees and that is the first I have heard of that problem with Artest. So, who knows.
 
atxrocker

atxrocker

Starter
#15
#15
ycfan93 said:
You have to remember this is the same guy that volunteered to play in the summer league. He wants to play no matter what.
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Though I ultimately agree with this, one has to question the state of Ron's mind. Ron plays hard, and with heart, but we all know Ron. I really hope that he can be able to coexist here, I really do, but you know he has to be getting frustrated on a losing team right now. Wouldn't you be? Ron's a competitor, and if we continue with our poor recent showings, I really don't know how long till Ron Ron decides to blow up.
 
K

kingsfan101

Starter
#16
#16
Too little information about today to make a call, but apart from that, no reason to trade him (not yet anyway).

That said, if I am Petrie or the Maloofs, I would be extremely scared of signing him long term.
 
R

Rug King

Bench
#21
#21
Who knows what the real problem is. Sure the Kings aren't that good but it's painfully obvious they're not working together and following a gameplan. All the one on one BS and jacking up shots that have no chance rather than pass the ball. I can accept a bad team better than lack of effort by heavily paid players.
It would seem that Ron Ron is the problem but who really knows other than the insiders?

Somewhere in Portland, there's an ex-coach smiling to himself.
 
DocHolliday

DocHolliday

Starter
#22
#22
Sore knees, are sore knees. I know it sounds a bit bogus, but who knows. The only thing I haven't liked so far is the comment that all he can do is worry about himself in the bee article. This is a time for *Team* not people standing alone as individuals.
 
SLAB

SLAB

Hall of Famer
#23
#23
The way people are reacting to this whole thing you would think Ron either.

A: Called out the franchise.

B: Got in a fight with a team mates.

C: Gave up on the team.

D: Anything else that we "expected" the timebomb to do.

The sole reason people are overreacting is because he is Ron Artest. The guy who started the brawl...Ron Artest, the guy who abandoned the Pacers...Well let me tell you something, the guy took ONE game off with bad knees.

If this was say Chris Webber, or Doug Christie, or any of our beloved Kings of yore no one would even consider calling them out like this and it would be, "The guys play so hard that they are bound to get knicked, etc. etc." ...And Ron Artest plays just as hard, if not harder, than any of those players.

So I say give it a rest...Until he does something really stupid and really explodes, we need to get off his back...He given his heart and soul to this team for the year hes been here, and hearing fans think he's quit on us could be something that pushes him over the edge.

And I really want to kill FP and the Rise Guys...They are just trying to cause stuff with this and trying to whip us into a frenzy...FP babbling off some BS about how Ron is a quitter...What a joke.
 
kennadog

kennadog

Dog On It!
#24
#24
Well I would like to know how come nobody on the team knew that Ron's knees have been sore for "a couple of weeks," as RA said last night. The coaches didn't know and apparently the trainer didn't either. And it was only 20 minutes to game time before he says he can't play?

I'll wait and see, but I don't like what I'm seeing out of Ron right now. I also did not like his self-centered statements to the Bee.
 
sidney

sidney

Starter
#25
#25
I raised this issue last week

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16823

Ron is not the type of guy to have around when we are losing and rebuilding/retooling the team. I think we should trade him while his value is high. This is assuming a lot though that no one really knows.

Regardless of his actions and comments now, if I were GM I would set up a meeting with him to explain:
a) the general plan and intention for getting back to a winning team
b) that there will be a lot more losses and growing pains before it improves
c) that the Kings want him as a leader through this
d) listen to any concerns he has

Treat him like a leader and all-star. Then make Ron decide if he is in or out. If he's in - No whining, odd comments to the media, mystery injuries, etc. If he's out, we trade him before this becomes a fiasco and his trade value drops.

The worst possible scenario is that Petrie attributes all the losing to a less than healthy squad, decides to be patient, then Ron explodes.
 
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mouse

mouse

G-League
#27
#27
As much as I want to believe that everything will be okay with Ron, every fiber of my being screams otherwise. The signs are there and they can't be ignored. Trade him.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#29
#29
As an aside -- I want money from everybody who doubted my prediction of the sentiment inevitably shifting to trade Artest build around Kevin.

LOTS of money. ;)
 
J

JB_kings

Starter
#30
#30
"Whatever they told you, that's what it is"
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I think I said a week ago that you don't get a chance to build around Artest. He isn't wired that way. This quote from the Bee article should leave no doubt that his knees are fine.
 
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