Meanwhile Justin Williams is.........

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#31
Lamenting about passing up Williams for Taylor is like lamenting about passing up a lotto ticket to buy a candy bar.
More like passing up a lotto ticket to buy some fertilizer.

I could live without JW in the lineup right now, it'd be fine with me if we let him play on *our* DL team while the rest of the gang took care of losing the regular NBA games. It'd hardly cost a thing, and when the time was right, he could try the transition.

At least then I'd have some kind of hope, and some small assurance that remedying the lack of bigs was a priority to Petrie. I'm not demanding or expecting the next Wilt, but I'm not willing to settle for another year of nothing, with more nothing on the horizon.
 
#36
Kenny Thomas could not block 5 shots a game at the Elementary school level, yet we keep him. Starter, actually.
We can't move him because of his contract, and if we bench him he will explode.

If Justin Williams could play this well on the NBA level, of course I would love it, but he just isn't ready, and looked as confused as hell when he was playing in the preseason.

Id rather have Williams than Maurice Taylor though...
 

gunks

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#38
We can't move him because of his contract, and if we bench him he will explode.

If Justin Williams could play this well on the NBA level, of course I would love it, but he just isn't ready, and looked as confused as hell when he was playing in the preseason.

Id rather have Williams than Maurice Taylor though...
Exactly...I'd love for Petrie to get him on contract, but keep him in the DL...At least then if he developes more he's on the Kings payroll and not out there for the taking...If not, oh well...Less money down the drain then what was spent on Taylor.
 

hrdboild

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#39
I really don't get where the negativity comes from about this guy. Do you think this team is good right now? Athletic 7 footers don't grow on trees. That's why teams draft people like Saer Sene in the lottery even though they don't know how to play basketball and Samuel Dalembert is making 10 million a year to not box out and miss 2 footers. A defensive presence in the post is not just a minor piece of the puzzle, it's probably the biggest. Duncan, KG, Shaq. These guys are franchise players for a reason.

Justin Williams isn't a seven footer, but he's an elite rebounder and shot blocker at every level he's played at, and he's taller than everyone we're playing now except Miller. This isn't just some generic stiff who can block a few shots. He was the shotblocking king in college ball. Shotblocking is a skill. If it were just a matter of size, Yao would be getting 10 a game. It's taken him years to get to where he now blocks about 2 per game. We're talking about a player who is going to challenge layups. I think we're mostly in agreement that is our biggest problem on defense right now. We need someone there, period. And dreaming about KG isn't getting anything done.

And really, what have we got to lose? Mo Taylor? Potapenko? These guys are one year rentals sitting at the end of the bench. The only reason to keep them on the team is for their expiring contracts. That is literally the only reason. If you care about the product on the court, you would cut them tomorrow. Today if possible. But when you're losing games by the dozen and you know of a guy who could potentially help alleviate your biggest weakness, at what point do you decide that the product on the court has to take precedent over the contract situation? Hell, you could sign Justin Williams for three years on a minimum contract and he'd still be making less money than those bums. And if he actually does develop, you'd have a major bargain. It's a longshot, but a much safer gamble than bringing in Artest or trading for Miller or trading Webber or all the other moves this team has been making.

Remember Ben Wallace? Undrafted, hopeless on offense, seriously undersized at center, and unable to play any other position. But a last place team took a chance on him anyway because he could defend a little bit, and now you've got a two time defensive player of the year who someone just payed 14 million dollars a year on to average less than 8 points per game. Would you want Ben Wallace on your team? He didn't enter the league as an All-Star, it took a lot of work to get there. Now obviously Justin Williams turning into Ben Wallace would be way up there on the scale of 'best case scenario', but my point is that young players quite often get better. (Kevin Martin for example) and if you don't take a chance on developing one of them, you'll never know what they could be. In this case, we could add this guy and lose nothing. Hopeless on offense? Late on rotations? Looks intimidated by the NBA? Of course he is! That's why he needs to get on a team, practice, be coached, and get some game experience. Quincy Douby is getting that chance. Francisco Garcia is getting that chance. Kevin Martin got that chance. Why not Justin Williams? We literally have no size in our frontcourt. No athleticism. This is a huge need. Huge. We need someone now. Ben Wallace, KG, those guys would be great but they're not coming. They're just not. And the fact that Justin Williams is dominating now in the NBDL is even more of an indicator that he might be worth taking a shot and seeing if he'll develop. Again, what do we really have to lose? Nothing. We don't even have to cut anyone, we have open roster spots. Just move Mo Taylor and Potapenko to the inactive list. This is such a no-brainer obvious move, I'm kindof upset they cut the guy in the first place. Pick this guy up for two years from now. Teach him in practice, get him a few minutes, play him in the summer league, give him a chance. This is why teams go into rebuilding mode. Because they stop anticipating the future and only pay attention to what's happening right now. We're not winning a championship anytime soon with this team. So let's start making progress towards winning one in the future. That's the whole point right?
 

CruzDude

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#41
hrdboild sees Justin for what he is now and maybe can be. There is one key word about Justin Williams you cannot use with Pot or Mo: athleticism!!!

If he can jump, block and rebound in the paint, he has a leg up on those 2 and on some others. Sure he will be confused a bit. Sure it will take time. I remember another undrafted 6-11 skinny guy the Kings started at center in his second year: Yogi Stewart. He made it 10 years in the league.

But no guts, no glory. GP doesn't really take chances so..............
 
#43
I think there's no doubt we should have kept Williams...right now we got two old men that can't do much... instead of an atheltic, young guy who hasn't rised to the opportunity in the NBA during a few months of preseason.... C'mon, everyone knows you can't teach old dogs new tricks, atleast with Justin you got potential. Get rid of Taylor or Pota and sign Justin, doesn't really matter which one, and let the kid practice and play a min a game, after a year decide whether or not he can't learn to play well in the NBA.

Williams= Potential, young quick rebounding blocker. If he can't play well then next year drop him. If he does get better at least we'll have him.

Taylor + Pota= Lack of Potential, old slow and useless.
 
#44
I really, really wish the Kings would have signed Justin Williams so there wouldn't be endless threads about how we should have signed a better 13th man.
 
#45
hrdboild sees Justin for what he is now and maybe can be. There is one key word about Justin Williams you cannot use with Pot or Mo: athleticism!!!

If he can jump, block and rebound in the paint, he has a leg up on those 2 and on some others. Sure he will be confused a bit. Sure it will take time. I remember another undrafted 6-11 skinny guy the Kings started at center in his second year: Yogi Stewart. He made it 10 years in the league.

But no guts, no glory. GP doesn't really take chances so..............
Neither did 29 other GMs. I'm not saying Williams can't make it in the NBA, but I think he is getting more opportunity to improve his skills in the NBDL. So far, no NBA team seems to think he has what it takes right now.
 
#46
I wish we would, do sign Williams because he has potential... if he does turn himself around, in a couple of years there will be definitly be an "endless thread".
 

hrdboild

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#48
I really, really wish the Kings would have signed Justin Williams so there wouldn't be endless threads about how we should have signed a better 13th man.
I understand the sentiment, but Ronnie Price was a 13th man much of last year and now he's our backup point guard. There's another season after this one, and another season after that. I'd like to see the Kings getting progressively better, not backsliding or treading water. That's what this is about.

My favorite baseball team is the Oakland A's. And you can't evaluate that team without considering the players they have developing in the minors every year who are going to be major contributers down the line. That philosophy of developing young players has allowed them to stay competitive. The NBA is run differently I understand, the emphasis on player development is a lot weaker, but it's still important. So long as we're not breaking the bank bringing in free agents or signing superstars, we've got to get a competitive edge somehow. And frankly, any shot we have of winning a championship is not going to come this year so we'd better be doing something about the future.
 
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#49
Wow.. just checked his games out so far. Pretty much Mr. double double. He can block some shots too.

Not saying he's the next Ben Wallace, but damn.. He is young, and doing this in his first year of pro-basketball. That's gotta say something. The kid can only get better!

I would like to see him in a Kings uni soon.
 
#54
He is young, and doing this in his first year of pro-basketball.
NBDL != pro-basketball. In fact, in some ways the NBDL is a step down from NCAA. I'd prefer him over Taylor at this point, but let's not kid ourselves. He put up great numbers in the summer league against scrubs and came in looking clueless, and I'm sure that its the same case here
 

gunks

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#56
NBDL != pro-basketball. In fact, in some ways the NBDL is a step down from NCAA. I'd prefer him over Taylor at this point, but let's not kid ourselves. He put up great numbers in the summer league against scrubs and came in looking clueless, and I'm sure that its the same case here
As opposed to half our roster who comes in......Looking clueless...
 

VF21

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#57
No need to kid ourselves. His competition is Taylor and Potapenko, and he wins. It's that simple.
Bozo the one-legged monkey would win against those two...

;)

I do agree, however, that it sure seems like we could use a little excitement right about now. Bring the kid up, put him in a couple of minutes a game. Show him a spot on the floor and make it simple. Tell him:

Stand here. Ball come...swat ball.

Even if he was clueless, I think he could block more shots than we're currently seeing.
 
#59
So, regarding the competition in NBDL, that's got to be a lower-level league than college ball right? I'm sure there's some good players in there (that I've never heard of) but for the most part the real talents are elsewhere. No?

Do people really think Kenny Thomas (for example) couldn't tear up the D-league? This is not NBA ball, this is somewhere between highschool and college ball.
 
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